Day 68: COVID-19 Comorbidity

 

The Institute for Health Metrics and Education at the University of Washington has published a prediction for the progress of the COVID-19 pandemic in the US. They are estimating that the peak demand on the health care system will be on April 14. On that date, they are predicting that the death count will be 31,615 and that eventually 81,114 deaths from the disease will be recorded around August. The website also lets you see predictions by the individual states.

Peak demand for healthcare for New York is projected as being on April 6; for California on April 24; for Florida on May 14.

Whatever the accuracy of these predictions at least they are focusing on the right questions: when does our health system need to be ready for the worst strain? what is that need likely to be? how many people will the disease kill? Death is the “sunk cost” of this epidemic. It is terrible, it is tragic, it needs to be minimized, but it is inevitable. Our national strategy has to involve how to get beyond the deaths that will be recorded. Our personal strategy is to reckon with our own risk. And that leads to the subject of comorbidity — thought of the day. (Because there are so many days and so little thought.)

@brianwatt, had an excellent comment on my post about Day 66:

Where is the data of CV-19 deaths by location – people in their homes…people in nursing homes…people in hospitals…people in ICUs – by age and whether they had other underlying or active medical conditions – like cancer, respiratory conditions, diabetes, heart disease, kidney issues (on dialysis) or other health- or immune-compromising issues?

Unless that specific data starts to become published, then universal numbers that treat all segments equally only serves to propagate a panic narrative.

There is a reason that Italy has been adversely affected and why the virus ran rampant in a nursing home in Seattle – because nearly all of the victims were elderly with other underlying conditions and in a facility where the virus could easily and quickly propagate amongst the staff and introduced by visitors who were relatively resistant to the effects of the virus.

We have heard a lot about “underlying issues” and “underlying conditions” that make getting COVID-19 more severe/deadly. One of the tweeted criticisms that Professor Bergstrom focused on Aaron Ginn’s Evidence Over Hysteria, was:

Disaggregating data is essential to provide context, especially for transmission processes. That the virus can cross national boundaries does nothing to negate the importance of spatial structure and within-country analysis. Aggregating data obscures critical patterns.

And that is what Brian Watt was talking about. And it needs to be done if we are to get the nation back up and running. Slicing and dicing the data so we know who is most at risk and what we can and should do about it.

And it starts with comorbidity. That is, in medical terms, the presence of an existing disease to which the new disease, COVID-19, is added making the person’s condition worse: accelerating the death-dealing nature of the prior morbidity or creating a new condition, e.g., viral pneumonia, that did not exist in the absence of the new disease. And this is why professional diagnosis, care and/or intervention is required.

A lot of people have some form of existing chronic disease, or morbidity. That fact may or may not place them at greater risk of severe illness or death if they contract COVID-19. But the public needs a better picture of what does. For example, take diabetes. 86 million people have what is called “pre-diabetes” for which they may have been prescribed medication to control it. People with pre-diabetes are at risk to progress to Type 2 Diabetes which, in turn, may progress to a need for insulin injections, kidney dialysis, and/or kidney transplant. Type 1 diabetes starts in children as something they were born with and requires insulin and stringent dietary controls to preserve life.

There are about 1.2 million Type 1 diabetics in the US. I could not find a statistic with regard to the number of people who have been diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes, but given the number of pre-diabetics, that number has to be substantially higher than Type 1 diabetics. And then there is “gestational diabetes”. Between 2 percent and 10 percent of pregnant women develop diabetes during their pregnancies. If they do it predisposes them to develop Type 2 diabetes within 10 years of their pregnancy. All told one can estimate that about 100 million people in the country have some stage of “diabetes.” We hear the experts say that people with diabetes are at greater risk. What does that mean? Disaggregate the data for us.

The same goes for “heart disease” and for “kidney disease” and whatever other comorbidities that alarm the health community with respect to COVID-19. We live our lives by “rules of thumb.” Are we dealing with Category A, Category B, Category C, etc.? In my professional life, I was sometimes nervous about definitive answers. Lawyers are always issuing so many caveats that sometimes a client doesn’t know what actually is the advice. Doctors are doing it, too. Medicines (and TV commercials about medicines) have a long fine print of “don’t use this drug if” list.

I recognize that there is uncertainty, a confidence level that is reflexively modifying the statements of researchers and physicians. But now is the time that everyone just does their best, gives clear guidance and accepts that there will be bad outcomes when someone falls in the margins between Category A and B. As a public we need to accept it so our politicians and health care professionals can accept it.

The perfect is the enemy of the good. Or in this case — what we need to do to get through this.

[Note: Links to all my COVID-19 posts can be found here.]

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  1. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Hammer, The (View Comment):
    This. Do you imagine Americans walking around in masks the way they do in some Asian countries? There’s no way. I can totally see people steering clear of strangers during an outbreak, but that’s about all.

    I’d prefer wearing masks to the lockdown. If this meant that from now on, whenever I have a cold or the flu, I don’t go out in public without a mask, I probably could adjust. It’ll be easier than adjusting to the results of the $2Trillion bill to socialize our economy.

    Exactly.

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  2. Nick H Coolidge
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    It’s interesting the differences between the various states. The margins of error on the data for NC are much tighter than for many of the other states I looked at; I wonder why they’re more confident about those projections.

    I understand why they keep the number of ICU beds available constant across the graphs, since there’s no easy way to predict how those will increase, but it seems unreasonable to assume that they won’t increase any over the next month or two. Especially in places where they expect a shortage. It’s not like people are just going to be sitting around waiting for that shoe to drop and not making any efforts to mitigate the damage. 

    I’m also curious whether they’re doing their modeling based only on state level actions. Here in NC it shows that there is no statewide order to stay at home (although I think there is now), but in our largest counties those orders went into place earlier this week. If they’re only looking at what happens at the state level they could be missing a lot.

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  3. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… Coolidge
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    Nick H (View Comment):

    It’s interesting the differences between the various states. The margins of error on the data for NC are much tighter than for many of the other states I looked at; I wonder why they’re more confident about those projections.

    I understand why they keep the number of ICU beds available constant across the graphs, since there’s no easy way to predict how those will increase, but it seems unreasonable to assume that they won’t increase any over the next month or two. Especially in places where they expect a shortage. It’s not like people are just going to be sitting around waiting for that shoe to drop and not making any efforts to mitigate the damage.

    I’m also curious whether they’re doing their modeling based only on state level actions. Here in NC it shows that there is no statewide order to stay at home (although I think there is now), but in our largest counties those orders went into place earlier this week. If they’re only looking at what happens at the state level they could be missing a lot.

    I think the purpose regarding the ICU beds is to show current situation versus future need with the idea that it will help planning to get those beds.  I’ll note that in my state (Arizona) the state Department of Health Services is estimating bed and ICU shortfalls much larger than in the IHME report.

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  4. Roderic Coolidge
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    Unsk (View Comment):
    New York: the rate of new infections and deaths has slowed markedly.

    I agree, the rate of growth is below 20% now over most of the country.

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  5. Roderic Coolidge
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    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):
    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo…

    If the Washington study proves relatively accurate it then raises another question. It is based upon an assumption that the intervention measures will have an impact on making the peak sooner, lower, and with a step decline. However, if not enough people gain immunity, what happens once restrictions are eased?

    COVID-19 could start spreading again.   There’s a danger that we could be heading for a roller coaster with repeated peaks in numbers of new cases.  This has happened in other pandemics, like the Spanish Flu.

    COVID-19 will be a threat until an effective vaccine comes out.

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  6. Roderic Coolidge
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    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):
    I agree I can’t imagine it but it’s too bad. Numerous studies have shown that the mass wearing of masks in places like Japan has been effective in controlling the spread of the flu. It would make it easier and faster to let people go back to work if they wore masks. I wore one for the first time yesterday.

    As I understand it, in Japan they wear masks if they are  sick in order to protect others.

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  7. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… Coolidge
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    Roderic (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):
    I agree I can’t imagine it but it’s too bad. Numerous studies have shown that the mass wearing of masks in places like Japan has been effective in controlling the spread of the flu. It would make it easier and faster to let people go back to work if they wore masks. I wore one for the first time yesterday.

    As I understand it, in Japan they wear masks if they are sick in order to protect others.

    That is the usual.  But in broader based flu epidemics they can have up to 80% of people wearing.  Once you reach critical mass it becomes protective in both directions.

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  8. MarciN Member
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    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I don’t find the finger-pointing about masks to be helpful. We’re Americans, and it’s unlikely that we’d be willing to wear masks, even if President Trump (or Obama) had climbed down each of our chimneys to give us a pack of 100.

    I believe the initial comment was about N95 masks, needed for medical care, not surgical masks which can also be used by the general public. The same stockpile issues exist for face shields and other PPE needed by medical personnel.

    The masks would stop infected people from coughing and leaving virus-laden droplets on surfaces. That’s why it would help. I think people would understand that and be grateful to have them if it meant they could walk around outside their home confidently.

    I believe it is simple to explain and that everyone would do it. Everyone has to do it because no one is sure who is and is not infectious right now.

     

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  9. MISTER BITCOIN Inactive
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Face masks would have solved most of this contagion problem. This virus is spread by coughs.

    The historians will have much to ponder when they study this chapter of American history. Their most perplexing questions will be these: Why couldn’t the most prosperous country the world had ever seen produce enough face masks to protect their people? Why weren’t masks as ubiquitous as disposable latex gloves? The country’s microbiologists certainly understood how upper respiratory diseases are spread. They knew that SARS and MERS and other pneumonia bugs were circulating everywhere. How could they invest as much as they did in health care and preventive medicine without investing in a supply of face masks for their citizens?

    FDA

    CDC

    OSHA

    and another acronym I can’t recall

     

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  10. MISTER BITCOIN Inactive
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    Unsk (View Comment):

    How could they invest as much as they did in health care and preventive medicine without investing in a supply of face masks for their citizens?

    The Obama Administration by law was to stockpile the N95 masks but after the H1N1 epidemic they decided not to, and of course most of that mask production went to China. The basic answer is our health care bureaucracy is incredibly corrupt and politicized and should not be relied upon to do their job at this point.

     

    Obama doesn’t believe in the rule of law or the constitution

     

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  11. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    The NYT has explained it all:

    The New York Times published an op-ed Friday that blamed evangelical Christians for the coronavirus pandemic.

    The argument, by journalist and author Katherine Stewart, is that because religious voters supported Trump, that means he governs without regard for science.

    Stewart also claims that Republicans, more than Democrats, are likely to deny science.

    In her op-ed, titled “The Road to Coronavirus Hell Was Paved by Evangelicals,” she writes:

    “Donald Trump rose to power with the determined assistance of a movement that denies science, bashes government and prioritized loyalty over professional expertise. In the current crisis, we are all reaping what that movement has sown.

    “At least since the 19th century, when the proslavery theologian Robert Lewis Dabney attacked the physical sciences as “theories of unbelief,” hostility to science has characterized the more extreme forms of religious nationalism in the United States.”

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  12. MISTER BITCOIN Inactive
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Rodin, that’s very useful information and a quite encouraging report. Thanks.

    The data is available for download, so I’m going to do some analysis and report back, probably in a separate post. The analysis appears quite sophisticated, and is done on a state-by-state basis. There appear to be wide variances between states. Here are a few examples (more to come):

    Total US bed shortage 49,292 — 35,301 in NY alone, zero in AZ and CA.

    Total ICU bed shortage 14,601 — 6,949 in NY alone, 300 in AZ, 299 in CA.

    Total projected deaths 80,114 — 10,243 in NY, 1,687 in AZ, 6,109 in CA.

    I want to further analyze the projections by state, which will take a bit of additional time.

     

    I nominate @rodin and @arizonapatriot as Ricochet members of the month!

     

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  13. MISTER BITCOIN Inactive
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    Nick H (View Comment):

    It’s interesting the differences between the various states. The margins of error on the data for NC are much tighter than for many of the other states I looked at; I wonder why they’re more confident about those projections.

    I understand why they keep the number of ICU beds available constant across the graphs, since there’s no easy way to predict how those will increase, but it seems unreasonable to assume that they won’t increase any over the next month or two. Especially in places where they expect a shortage. It’s not like people are just going to be sitting around waiting for that shoe to drop and not making any efforts to mitigate the damage.

    I’m also curious whether they’re doing their modeling based only on state level actions. Here in NC it shows that there is no statewide order to stay at home (although I think there is now), but in our largest counties those orders went into place earlier this week. If they’re only looking at what happens at the state level they could be missing a lot.

    yes, big difference between nyc and albany and syracuse and buffalo and etc

     

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  14. MISTER BITCOIN Inactive
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    The NYT has explained it all:

    The New York Times published an op-ed Friday that blamed evangelical Christians for the coronavirus pandemic.

    The argument, by journalist and author Katherine Stewart, is that because religious voters supported Trump, that means he governs without regard for science.

    Stewart also claims that Republicans, more than Democrats, are likely to deny science.

    In her op-ed, titled “The Road to Coronavirus Hell Was Paved by Evangelicals,” she writes:

    “Donald Trump rose to power with the determined assistance of a movement that denies science, bashes government and prioritized loyalty over professional expertise. In the current crisis, we are all reaping what that movement has sown.

    “At least since the 19th century, when the proslavery theologian Robert Lewis Dabney attacked the physical sciences as “theories of unbelief,” hostility to science has characterized the more extreme forms of religious nationalism in the United States.”

    the new york times keeps getting stupider by the minute.

    NY times stupidity is growing exponentially

     

    • #44
  15. MISTER BITCOIN Inactive
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    Roderic (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):
    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo…

    If the Washington study proves relatively accurate it then raises another question. It is based upon an assumption that the intervention measures will have an impact on making the peak sooner, lower, and with a step decline. However, if not enough people gain immunity, what happens once restrictions are eased?

    COVID-19 could start spreading again. There’s a danger that we could be heading for a roller coaster with repeated peaks in numbers of new cases. This has happened in other pandemics, like the Spanish Flu.

    COVID-19 will be a threat until an effective vaccine comes out.

    this is not the spanish flu

     

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  16. MISTER BITCOIN Inactive
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    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):

    Nick H (View Comment):

    It’s interesting the differences between the various states. The margins of error on the data for NC are much tighter than for many of the other states I looked at; I wonder why they’re more confident about those projections.

    I understand why they keep the number of ICU beds available constant across the graphs, since there’s no easy way to predict how those will increase, but it seems unreasonable to assume that they won’t increase any over the next month or two. Especially in places where they expect a shortage. It’s not like people are just going to be sitting around waiting for that shoe to drop and not making any efforts to mitigate the damage.

    I’m also curious whether they’re doing their modeling based only on state level actions. Here in NC it shows that there is no statewide order to stay at home (although I think there is now), but in our largest counties those orders went into place earlier this week. If they’re only looking at what happens at the state level they could be missing a lot.

    I think the purpose regarding the ICU beds is to show current situation versus future need with the idea that it will help planning to get those beds. I’ll note that in my state (Arizona) the state Department of Health Services is estimating bed and ICU shortfalls much larger than in the IHME report.

    of course because they want more money from the feds and anyone else

     

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  17. MISTER BITCOIN Inactive
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    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):

    Nick H (View Comment):

    It’s interesting the differences between the various states. The margins of error on the data for NC are much tighter than for many of the other states I looked at; I wonder why they’re more confident about those projections.

    I understand why they keep the number of ICU beds available constant across the graphs, since there’s no easy way to predict how those will increase, but it seems unreasonable to assume that they won’t increase any over the next month or two. Especially in places where they expect a shortage. It’s not like people are just going to be sitting around waiting for that shoe to drop and not making any efforts to mitigate the damage.

    I’m also curious whether they’re doing their modeling based only on state level actions. Here in NC it shows that there is no statewide order to stay at home (although I think there is now), but in our largest counties those orders went into place earlier this week. If they’re only looking at what happens at the state level they could be missing a lot.

    I think the purpose regarding the ICU beds is to show current situation versus future need with the idea that it will help planning to get those beds. I’ll note that in my state (Arizona) the state Department of Health Services is estimating bed and ICU shortfalls much larger than in the IHME report.

    has any government health department ever said, “we’re good, we have enough supplies and money and staff”?

     

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  18. Roderic Coolidge
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    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Roderic (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):
    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo…

    If the Washington study proves relatively accurate it then raises another question. It is based upon an assumption that the intervention measures will have an impact on making the peak sooner, lower, and with a step decline. However, if not enough people gain immunity, what happens once restrictions are eased?

    COVID-19 could start spreading again. There’s a danger that we could be heading for a roller coaster with repeated peaks in numbers of new cases. This has happened in other pandemics, like the Spanish Flu.

    COVID-19 will be a threat until an effective vaccine comes out.

    this is not the spanish flu

    We hope.

    • #48
  19. OldPhil Coolidge
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    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    The NYT has explained it all:

    The New York Times published an op-ed Friday that blamed evangelical Christians for the coronavirus pandemic.

    The argument, by journalist and author Katherine Stewart, is that because religious voters supported Trump, that means he governs without regard for science.

    Stewart also claims that Republicans, more than Democrats, are likely to deny science.

    In her op-ed, titled “The Road to Coronavirus Hell Was Paved by Evangelicals,” she writes:

    “Donald Trump rose to power with the determined assistance of a movement that denies science, bashes government and prioritized loyalty over professional expertise. In the current crisis, we are all reaping what that movement has sown.

    “At least since the 19th century, when the proslavery theologian Robert Lewis Dabney attacked the physical sciences as “theories of unbelief,” hostility to science has characterized the more extreme forms of religious nationalism in the United States.”

    the new york times keeps getting stupider by the minute.

    NY times stupidity is growing exponentially

    It’s something more disgusting than just stupidity.

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  20. DrewInWisconsin, Negative Infl… Member
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    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    The NYT has explained it all:

    The New York Times published an op-ed Friday that blamed evangelical Christians for the coronavirus pandemic.

    The argument, by journalist and author Katherine Stewart, is that because religious voters supported Trump, that means he governs without regard for science.

    Stewart also claims that Republicans, more than Democrats, are likely to deny science.

    In her op-ed, titled “The Road to Coronavirus Hell Was Paved by Evangelicals,” she writes:

    “Donald Trump rose to power with the determined assistance of a movement that denies science, bashes government and prioritized loyalty over professional expertise. In the current crisis, we are all reaping what that movement has sown.

    “At least since the 19th century, when the proslavery theologian Robert Lewis Dabney attacked the physical sciences as “theories of unbelief,” hostility to science has characterized the more extreme forms of religious nationalism in the United States.”

    the new york times keeps getting stupider by the minute.

    NY times stupidity is growing exponentially

     

    Did you notice the headline has been changed? It’s still stupidly offensive and offensively stupid, but it now reads: The Religious Right’s Hostility to Science Is Crippling Our Coronavirus Response.

    I wonder if anyone is keeping track of all the shifting headlines.

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  21. MISTER BITCOIN Inactive
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    Roderic (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Roderic (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):
    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo…

    If the Washington study proves relatively accurate it then raises another question. It is based upon an assumption that the intervention measures will have an impact on making the peak sooner, lower, and with a step decline. However, if not enough people gain immunity, what happens once restrictions are eased?

    COVID-19 could start spreading again. There’s a danger that we could be heading for a roller coaster with repeated peaks in numbers of new cases. This has happened in other pandemics, like the Spanish Flu.

    COVID-19 will be a threat until an effective vaccine comes out.

    this is not the spanish flu

    We hope.

    the spanish flu virus was not a corona virus unlike H1N1.

    The spanish flu killed people quickly, 72 hours or less.

    The spanish flu killed many between ages 20 and 60.

    The spanish flu started at the end of world war 1.

    Trench warfare is not social distancing.

     

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  22. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
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    Hammer, The (View Comment):
    This. Do you imagine Americans walking around in masks the way they do in some Asian countries? There’s no way. I can totally see people steering clear of strangers during an outbreak, but that’s about all.

    We in Seattle are quite accustomed to seeing people in masks and think nothing of it. I’m beginning to think it’s irresponsible to go out to the grocery or drug store without disposable latex gloves and a mask. I don’t have a mask, but maybe the next time I go shopping I’ll wear a kerchief  on my face like a robber in the old west. Perhaps I’ll look silly, but at this point who cares. 

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  23. Clifford A. Brown Member
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    That top graph is telling, especially for one number. It turns out that all the focus on ventilators and supposed shortages is completely misleading and distracting from real issues. However many die here, it will not be for lack of ventilator support. We already have far more than the maximum projected demand.

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  24. Jules PA Inactive
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    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    The NYT has explained it all:

    The New York Times published an op-ed Friday that blamed evangelical Christians for the coronavirus pandemic.

    The argument, by journalist and author Katherine Stewart, is that because religious voters supported Trump, that means he governs without regard for science.

    Stewart also claims that Republicans, more than Democrats, are likely to deny science.

    In her op-ed, titled “The Road to Coronavirus Hell Was Paved by Evangelicals,” she writes:

    “Donald Trump rose to power with the determined assistance of a movement that denies science, bashes government and prioritized loyalty over professional expertise. In the current crisis, we are all reaping what that movement has sown.

    “At least since the 19th century, when the proslavery theologian Robert Lewis Dabney attacked the physical sciences as “theories of unbelief,” hostility to science has characterized the more extreme forms of religious nationalism in the United States.”

    the new york times keeps getting stupider by the minute.

    NY times stupidity is growing exponentially

     

    Need a graph, and a model. 

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  25. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
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    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):
    We already have far more than the maximum projected demand.

    I haven’t read that Clifford but so hope you’re right. Do you have a source?

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  26. kedavis Coolidge
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    Hugh (View Comment):

    Speaking of masks….

    I got a call from my Chinese Wireless Equipment supplier on Friday. They are sending me a few thousand face masks to help equip my staff.

    I hope they don’t come pre-infected, like USB storage media, digital picture frames, and other technology from China sometimes do.

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  27. Hugh Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Hugh (View Comment):

    Speaking of masks….

    I got a call from my Chinese Wireless Equipment supplier on Friday. They are sending me a few thousand face masks to help equip my staff.

    I hope they don’t come pre-infected, like USB storage media, digital picture frames, and other technology from China sometimes do.

    I might just let them sit for a week before I distibute them.

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