Recommended by Ricochet Members Created with Sketch. ‘We Couldn’t Say That.’

 

True story. My Lady and I were fortunate enough to be able to take a wonderful cruise recently and, among so many other memorable experiences, had the opportunity to meet some very nice and most interesting people from around the country (and the world, actually).

One such encounter was a most cordial couple from a well-known City by the Bay, currently, and tragically, easily identifiable simply by describing the condition of its Third World streets and homeless encampments, which were horrible a month or two ago, but which now present a medieval threat of widespread disease rapidly spreading through those sordid “communities”.

The gentleman noted my American flag lapel pin and observed that I was a patriot for wearing it and I explained that I wear one on every jacket, blazer, etc., I own. Somehow, the subject got around to the election, and they asked if we were Trump supporters. I responded, loud and clear, that indeed we were fervent, dedicated, committed Trump supporters, and proceeded to show him my Trump 2020 socks! I also noted, with regret, that I had forgotten to pack my red and white MAGA hat! We had a further discussion about the importance we attached to this election and how dangerous we considered all of the possible Democrat candidates to be to the future of the Republic — this was before the DNC waved its “magic wand” over the entire slate and, in effect, made Old Uncle Handsy the eventual candidate.

It was about at this point in the conversation that the lady looked at her husband and said, quite plainly “we couldn’t say that.” As the conversation progressed, they made it clear that, in their home area, comments like I had just made simply could never be said out loud. Period.

It is one thing to read, as I am sure we all do, stacks of articles about the stifling of free speech in so many places around the country– it is yet another to have it brought home so vividly and graphically as it was during that conversation.

Something very sick is afoot in our beloved Nation when our citizens simply accept, as a given rule of everyday life, that certain areas of speech are not permissible.

Have you had a similar conversation?

“We couldn’t say that.”

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  1. Ben Sears Member

    It makes you wonder what percentage of the city by the bay simply falls in line. If certain views are unspeakable you just can’t tell how many hold them. I’m not saying that any majority on the side of the right is simmering below the surface, but there may be a larger sympathy than we expect.

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    • March 9, 2020, at 1:46 PM PDT
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  2. Kay of MT Member

    Jim George:

    Have you had a similar conversation?

    “We couldn’t say that.” 

    Since I am an obnoxious old hag from CA, I say what I please and the heck with the feed back. If they don’t like it, stay away. And they do, stay away that is. However, some of my cousin, who condemned me for being a Trump fan, have moved out of CA to NV, AZ, and WA State. I moved out in 2002. They have moved out in the past couple years and my sister is now looking for a house in MT. I’ve told her not to bring her attitudes with her or I’ll have to move again.

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    • March 9, 2020, at 2:13 PM PDT
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  3. Freeven Member
    FreevenJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Kay of MT (View Comment):
    Kay of MT

    Jim George:

    Have you had a similar conversation?

    “We couldn’t say that.” 

    Since I am an obnoxious old hag from CA, I say what I please and the heck with the feed back. If they don’t like it, stay away. And they do, stay away that is.

    This gets easier to do as you get older. I’ve lost some “friends” over these things. But I knew that was likely when I decided to start speaking up, and I accepted it. Once you accept that, it gets easier still. Division brings clarity, and clarity is badly needed. I think the Left’s moonbattery has got a lot of people thinking this way.

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    • March 9, 2020, at 2:30 PM PDT
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  4. Eridemus Coolidge

    I have repeated my recent “loss” of a “friend” story enough around here…which happened over my simple questioning of the Green New Deal on one point. It was not even part of any long meandering conversation about politics, merely an innocent stumble on my part, in not reiterating EXACTLY what that person believed. I knew how the person leaned, but not really that it was a case of being a pure 100% follower of all things “progressive.”

    Her parting words were “You must just listen to Fox News.” As if her sources were innately superior, to swallow whole. That whole “thou shall not impart thy thoughts or I have to erase you and stay in my safe zone” is something new, and sick in our nation.

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    • March 9, 2020, at 3:05 PM PDT
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  5. Kozak Member
    KozakJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Maybe we need some secret symbols….

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    • March 9, 2020, at 3:07 PM PDT
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  6. OmegaPaladin Moderator

    Welcome to my world.

    In my world, everyone assumes you agree with them. It’s less intolerance, and more that dissent is unthinkable.

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    • March 9, 2020, at 3:39 PM PDT
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  7. TBA Coolidge

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Maybe we need some secret symbols….

    See this is the kind of stuff that Christians used to trigger the poor Romans who really had no choice but to feed them to the lions. 

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    • March 9, 2020, at 3:39 PM PDT
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  8. RushBabe49 Thatcher

    My blog is pretty incendiary, and I still have followers.

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    • March 9, 2020, at 3:45 PM PDT
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  9. Doug Watt Moderator

    Kay of MT (View Comment):

    Jim George:

    Have you had a similar conversation?

    “We couldn’t say that.”

    Since I am an obnoxious old hag from CA, I say what I please and the heck with the feed back. If they don’t like it, stay away. And they do, stay away that is. However, some of my cousin, who condemned me for being a Trump fan, have moved out of CA to NV, AZ, and WA State. I moved out in 2002. They have moved out in the past couple years and my sister is now looking for a house in MT. I’ve told her not to bring her attitudes with her or I’ll have to move again.

    I wouldn’t call you obnoxious, and you’ve seen enough in your lifetime that you have pretty good idea of what’s true, and what isn’t true.

     

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    • March 9, 2020, at 4:14 PM PDT
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  10. Boss Mongo Member

    Kay of MT (View Comment):
    Since I am an obnoxious old hag engaging mature beauty from CA full of wit, wisdom and kindness, I say what I please and the heck with the feed back.

    FIFY.

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    • March 9, 2020, at 4:58 PM PDT
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  11. JoelB Member

    When was the last time you heard anyone use the expression “It’s a free country”?

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    • March 9, 2020, at 5:32 PM PDT
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  12. J. D. Fitzpatrick Member
    J. D. FitzpatrickJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    I’m not sure how different this really is in an absolute sense. It’s just that, informal speech codes have changed because, for the left, politics has replaced religion.

    In early America, Catholics had to practice their faith in relative secrecy, freedom of speech and freedom of religion aside.

    There have been times when people could not openly talk about supporting Communism, particularly in certain parts of the country.

    Every society has informal speech codes. America happens to have had fewer than a lot of societies. And now the nature of the codes has changed.

    But for the silver lining of “We can’t say that,” just look at Gulliver’s Travels. That book probably would never have been written were it not for the way that 18th-century Britain formally and informally repressed the freedom of people to say what they pleased. As a result, Swift had to develop a subtle satire that is a delight to read.

    Speech codes are annoying for people who like to speak plainly. As one of those people, I am sometimes disappointed that I can’t openly express my beliefs in the area where I live. It does make me feel more isolated.

    But I’m learning to enjoy the challenge of using silence, irony, and feigned indifference to navigate the new dispensation.

    One of the things I know now that I didn’t know as a kid is that there is a lot more to life than politics. And I’m enjoying that “lot more.”

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    • March 9, 2020, at 5:47 PM PDT
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  13. Clifford A. Brown Contributor

    Kay of MT (View Comment):

    Jim George:

    Have you had a similar conversation?

    “We couldn’t say that.”

    Since I am an obnoxious old hag from CA, I say what I please and the heck with the feed back. If they don’t like it, stay away. And they do, stay away that is. However, some of my cousin, who condemned me for being a Trump fan, have moved out of CA to NV, AZ, and WA State. I moved out in 2002. They have moved out in the past couple years and my sister is now looking for a house in MT. I’ve told her not to bring her attitudes with her or I’ll have to move again.

    There is no more running room. People who leave leftist cesspools need to be pressed hard when they show up in free states. Correct, chide, call out, point to the contradictions at every turn.

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    • March 9, 2020, at 6:04 PM PDT
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  14. jmelvin Member

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Kay of MT (View Comment):

    Jim George:

    Have you had a similar conversation?

    “We couldn’t say that.”

    Since I am an obnoxious old hag from CA, I say what I please and the heck with the feed back. If they don’t like it, stay away. And they do, stay away that is. However, some of my cousin, who condemned me for being a Trump fan, have moved out of CA to NV, AZ, and WA State. I moved out in 2002. They have moved out in the past couple years and my sister is now looking for a house in MT. I’ve told her not to bring her attitudes with her or I’ll have to move again.

    There is no more running room. People who leave leftist cesspools need to be pressed hard when they show up in free states. Correct, chide, call out, point to the contradictions at every turn.

    Amen!

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    • March 9, 2020, at 9:22 PM PDT
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  15. Kay of MT Member

    Doug Watt (View Comment):
    I wouldn’t call you obnoxious, and you’ve seen enough in your lifetime that you have pretty good idea of what’s true, and what isn’t true.

    Indeed I have, and what was abnormal and evil then is becoming acceptable and approved now. It sickens me. But enough lefties are flooding MT with Tester’s help that I am so sorry I voted for him 10 or so years ago. 

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    • March 10, 2020, at 7:35 AM PDT
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  16. Kay of MT Member

    Boss Mongo (View Comment):

    Kay of MT (View Comment):
    Since I am an obnoxious old hag engaging mature beauty from CA full of wit, wisdom and kindness, I say what I please and the heck with the feed back.

    FIFY.

    Aren’t you a sweetheart. I knew there was a reason I loved you. But I will take @cliffordbrown advice which I already do. I’m still looking for that dog to keep me standing.

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    • March 10, 2020, at 7:48 AM PDT
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  17. The Reticulator Member

    J. D. Fitzpatrick (View Comment):

    I’m not sure how different this really is in an absolute sense. It’s just that, informal speech codes have changed because, for the left, politics has replaced religion.

    In early America, Catholics had to practice their faith in relative secrecy, freedom of speech and freedom of religion aside.

    There have been times when people could not openly talk about supporting Communism, particularly in certain parts of the country.

    Every society has informal speech codes. America happens to have had fewer than a lot of societies. And now the nature of the codes has changed.

    But for the silver lining of “We can’t say that,” just look at Gulliver’s Travels. That book probably would never have been written were it not for the way that 18th-century Britain formally and informally repressed the freedom of people to say what they pleased. As a result, Swift had to develop a subtle satire that is a delight to read.

    Speech codes are annoying for people who like to speak plainly. As one of those people, I am sometimes disappointed that I can’t openly express my beliefs in the area where I live. It does make me feel more isolated.

    But I’m learning to enjoy the challenge of using silence, irony, and feigned indifference to navigate the new dispensation.

    One of the things I know now that I didn’t know as a kid is that there is a lot more to life than politics. And I’m enjoying that “lot more.”

    COTD

    • #17
    • March 10, 2020, at 10:07 AM PDT
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