#NeverBernie, or What I Saw in Las Vegas

 

I believe that Bernie Sanders poses an existential danger to our Republic, so is it incumbent on me to do all that I can to stop him. To that end, after leaving work on Friday, I drove 250+ miles to Las Vegas. Once I arrived, I googled “Nevada Biden Office” and drove to the nearest office, arriving at 9:16 p.m. after they had finished their last class.

I spoke to the staffer asking how I could help. She gave me a crash course on how to be a “Precinct Captain.” I learned more about the byzantine nine-step caucus procedures that probably 99% of people who have not been in a caucus know about. It was mind-numbing. I was then given a bag with written instructions, a t-shirt with “Biden Precinct Captain” emblazoned on it inside an outline of Nevada, and a huge four-inch button with Joe’s smiling face and “Biden Precinct Captain” on it. Ah, the swag! I then went to Walmart to get a battery pack to supplement my iPhone. The first hotel I went to was sold out. I finally tumbled into bed just before 1 a.m. I set my alarm to get up at 5 a.m. given that I had a 6:45 a.m. meeting to go to.

I woke up at 4:58 a.m. Was I tired? Sure. But I was energized. I zoomed over to “The Strat” (formerly known as “The Stratosphere”) and went to their Starbucks to meet with other “out of town” team members. I was 15 minutes early. I followed the Jack Reacher maxim to never miss a chance to eat, so I got oatmeal and a Danish. (I was surprised to discover that unlike any other Starbucks I have ever gone to, this Starbucks charged for soymilk for my oatmeal. The server noted “I am on camera” as she apologized.)

We had a great crew of people, several from Arizona and California who had driven in and one man who had flown in from New York! Then we were sent off to another Biden Headquarters to receive more last-minute instructions. While there, I picked up more tee-shirts. Then I was off to Desert Oasis High School in Enterprise, Nevada. Since I was running early, I followed the Jack Reacher maxim and stopped at Denny’s to fuel up.

I got to Desert Oasis High School before 9:30 a.m. This was the time for the campaign staff to check-in. Since I was out of state, I was given an orange armband designating that I was an “observer” and could not talk once the caucus started. The Bernie campaign had the most volunteers, followed by Pete, Joe, Amy, Steyer, and Warren. All of the volunteers were respectful and friendly. The most common statement by a volunteer for Campaign A to a volunteer for Campaign B was to praise the strong points of the other candidate. (Note: I did not strike up any conversations with anyone from the Bernie campaign, as I have nothing positive to say about him.) At 10:00 a.m. the doors were opened to the voters. The place was packed. There were massive lines some 20 deep. But there was no complaining. Of note, some of the early voting sites had had waits of up to four hours, so this was seen as a better option. By far, the most popular person in the cavernous hallway was a member of the Nevada Assembly who was there to hand out free water bottles to her constituents. Smart lady.

I was given the list of people from my precinct who were “1’s” and “2’s” and was told to call them. I left voice-mail messages and a couple of messages with people who relay to the voters. I got two voters. One said that she had a family emergency and could not come. The other one, Valerie, said that that she would be seeing me at the Middle School. “Oh no, they have combined precincts, we will be at Desert Oasis High School.” “Thank you, dear, I would have gone to the middle school, and then would have gone home. How will I recognize you?” “I am a 67-year-old bald man.” “I will look forward to visiting with you.” More about Valerie later.

At noon, they stopped accepting voters. The toughest job in the room was to be designated as a “stopper,” the person who would stand at the end of the line and not allow anyone else into the line.

I stood behind where people were checking in and offered them “Team Joe” stickers. Next to me was a nice lady who was begging people to consider Amy as their second choice.

Despite the long lines, people were of good cheer and chatted to each other. My precinct area started to slowly fill up. I mentioned that since I was out of state, once the caucus began, I would not speak once the caucus got going. I asked if any Biden voters would be willing to serve as “Biden Precinct Co-Captains” noting that they would get a cool t-shirt like mine and a huge four-inch button. Two women volunteered and I gave them their swag.

I was walking by an elderly black woman with a cane. She said “Gary?” My response was “You must be Valerie! I am so happy to see you!”

We finally got started at 1:20 p.m. We had 19 voters, and observers from the Biden, Sanders, and Klobuchar campaigns. (The three observers and the Precinct Chair had all parachuted in from out-of-state.) We then started this intricate process. First, we elected our Precinct Chair. Then she asked for someone who had clear handwriting to serve as our Precinct Secretary. Two different people counted the 19 voters present. Okay. Please raise your hand if you are voting for Biden. Six hands went up. The Chair saw that Valerie had a cane, so she asked that Biden voters all cluster around her. The original alignment of people present was as follows:

  • 6 Biden
  • 5 Buttigieg
  • 3 Sanders
  • 5 Warren

I was thrilled. Sanders had only three people. Ha, ha, ha.

The next step was the great reveal of what the “early votes” were. Ugh. They were as follows:

  • 1 Bennet
  • 4 Biden
  • 5 Buttigieg
  • 25 Sanders
  • 4 Steyer
  • 2 Warren
  • 1 Yang

Ugh. 25 for Sanders! Yikes! Adding the numbers together we had:

  • 1 Bennet
  • 10 Biden
  • 10 Buttigieg
  • 28 Sanders
  • 4 Steyer
  • 7 Warren
  • 1 Yang

The total number of people was 63. 15% of 63 is 9.45 people. Rounding up would be 10 people. Biden and Buttigieg were barely viable. Warren was not. The five Warren voters were crest-fallen. They were such a committed earnest group. I felt sorry for them (but not sorry for Warren as she is almost as bad as Bernie). I turned to Valerie. “You made the difference. If you hadn’t been here, we would not be viable.” She smiled back at me.

The early voters had to designate their first three to five choices on their early votes, so those votes were reassigned as follows to the three viable candidates:

  • 6 Biden
  • 10 Buttigieg
  • 27 Sanders

Then the poor five Warren supporters were given a harsh choice. They could join the Biden, Buttigieg, or Sanders groups. Or they could leave. The five crushed Warren supporters consoled each other. They were heartbroken. They did not understand how anyone could not see the obvious merits of Warren. The Chair said that each of the five would need to make their own decision. The three remaining groups were each given one minute to make a pitch to the forlorn Warren supporters. The Sanders voter said “Elizabeth was my second choice. Please join us.” I forget what the Buttigieg voter said. The Biden voters turned to me to speak. I said that I couldn’t speak as I was not a Nevada voter. One of my appointed “Co-Captains” then stood up and said that Biden had the best chance of beating Trump. People started joking about washing a Warren voter’s car if they would join their group.

Biden got only one of the five Warren voters, and Buttigieg and Sanders each got two of the Warren voters.

The final result adding the early votes and the voters in the room was:

  • 13 Biden
  • 17 Buttigieg
  • 32 Sanders

We had nine delegates to send to the County Convention. There were 62 votes altogether. (One of the early voters did not include Biden, Buttigieg or Warren, so their vote didn’t count.)

Here’s how the math went:

  • Biden: 13 X 9 / 62 = 1.8571 delegates
  • Buttigieg: 17 X 9 / 62 = 2.4286 delegates
  • Sanders: 32 X 9 / 62 = 4.5714 delegates

Using the first round of rounding this ended up with

  • Biden: 2 delegates
  • Buttigieg: 2 delegates
  • Sanders: 5 delegates

Since we were assigned nine delegates, this all worked out.

However, there are terribly complicated rules as to how to round up if this had resulted in eight delegates or round down if there were 10 delegates. If those rules ended in a tie, then we entered the world of chance. In Iowa, they flipped coins. But this was Nevada. They would draw cards, with an Ace being high and a Two being low. If they had the same number, then they went by suits, with Spades, Hearts, Diamonds, and Clubs in that order. Thank goodness we didn’t get to that level of detail. (This is not unlike the NFL where one year under Tom Landry where the Cowboys had to beat the Redskins by at least 15 points in the final week of the season to get past the eighth or so tie-breaker. What a mess.)

The final step was to elect delegates to the County Convention. The three people who had made pitches to the Warren delegates all decided that they wanted to go to the County Convention. I assume that the other delegates will be filled in by their campaigns in the future.

The observers took pictures of the worksheet and texted it to our headquarters. At 2:50 p.m. we were done.

I got back on the road to Flagstaff. I was dead tired. I had resolved to stop driving long distances at night in the last year. But heck, Flagstaff was only 250 miles away. I zoomed along the interstate. I noticed that I had a sore throat coming on. It began to rain. The sky grew dark. And I persisted. When I arrived in Kingman, I decided to drive through town. I then noticed blue and red lights wig-wagging behind me. I pulled over. The officer came up to me.

“Do you know why I stopped you?”

“No.”

“Do you notice that it is raining?”

“Yes.”

“Do you notice that it is twilight?”

“Yes.”

“What would that suggest to you?”

I paused and could not think of the answer. Then, “Oh, I should turn on my lights.”

“Yes. I flashed my brights at you twice, but you ignored me. Are you almost home?”

“No, I live in Flagstaff [150 miles away].”

“You might want to get a room to stay the night as you appear to be exhausted. I don’t want to scrape your body off of the pavement.”

I took this as good advice. When I was in my 20s I would be in a seminar in LA until 2 a.m. and then drive 400 miles to get home. Driving 150 miles is a piece of cake. But I am now 67 years old. I got a room, and then treated myself to a nice dinner. I went to bed at 9. I slept for 11 hours.

A final thought. Caucuses may have made sense 100 years ago when people needed focus groups to come to decisions. But they appear to be hugely ineffective and inefficient. My heart went out to Valerie who was exhausted by the process. I hope that we have seen the last caucuses in America. They are a relic that needs to be retired.

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  1. Nohaaj Coolidge
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    When Bernie steps down, most likely after Super Tuesday, what is your contingency plan?  And, thank you for the detailed first hand account of your caucus experience.  

    • #31
  2. drlorentz Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I am a Reagan Republican. I want the Party of Reagan to return.

    Okay boomer.

    Stop living in the past. Reagan was last president over thirty years ago. When younger folks hear Reagan Republican it makes them think of Joe Biden (viz. #12, supra).

    This is why the Stupid Party loses: looking backwards to long-dead figures from the past instead of putting forth younger, more charismatic, leaders with conservative ideals. Even the Left has learned this loser-like behavior, fielding a geriatric set of candidates with health issues (cf., Bernie & Joe) who bring failed ideas from the past (communism and corporate neoliberalism, respectively) with a patina of wokism to appear fresh and new.

    • #32
  3. Kozak Member
    Kozak
    @Kozak

    Maybe he has Korsakoff Syndrome

    There are seven major symptoms of alcoholic Korsakoff syndrome (amnestic-confabulatory syndrome):

    1. anterograde amnesia, memory loss for events after the onset of the syndrome
    2. retrograde amnesia, memory loss extends back for some time before the onset of the syndrome
    3. amnesia of fixation, also known as fixation amnesia (loss of immediate memory, a person being unable to remember events of the past few minutes)[2][3][4]
    4. confabulation, that is, invented memories which are then taken by the patient as true due to gaps in memory, with such gaps sometimes associated with blackouts
    5. minimal content in conversation
    6. lack of insight
    7. apathy – the patients lose interest in things quickly, and generally appear indifferent to change.

     

    • #33
  4. drlorentz Member
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    @drlorentz

    Kozak (View Comment):
    I want the Democrats to really fly their Freak Flag.

    No worries; they already fly it loud and proud. 

    • #34
  5. Miffed White Male Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Barfly (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    Bernie probably increases GOP chances to win the House back. With Bernie as president and GOP Congress, we’d have epic gridlock. Thats not so bad. So, I don’t know if I’d be going NeverBernie. He’d be a special kind of harmless incompetence to laugh at, and he doesn’t have any major media to support his every idiocy, unlike Trump.

    That’s what I’m thinking. I’m pro-Bernie for the Dem nom because I want all the little socialists to out themselves. DJT will lash Saunders like the whipping boy he was born to be, and we’ll probably take the House while the media is distracted.

    I’m probably going to vote Bernie in the NC primary.

    I want the Democrats to really fly their Freak Flag.

    Yeah, that’s what the Democrats thought when they were hoping for Trump to get the R nomination in 2016.

     

    • #35
  6. DrewInWisconsin, Influencer Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    I’m probably going to vote Bernie in the NC primary.

    I want the Democrats to really fly their Freak Flag.

    Yeah, that’s what the Democrats thought when they were hoping for Trump to get the R nomination in 2016.

    I want the DNC to steal the nomination from Bernie again and watch the Bernie Bros burn down Milwaukee.

    • #36
  7. Barfly Member
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    @Barfly

    DrewInWisconsin, Influencer (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    I’m probably going to vote Bernie in the NC primary.

    I want the Democrats to really fly their Freak Flag.

    Yeah, that’s what the Democrats thought when they were hoping for Trump to get the R nomination in 2016.

    I want the DNC to steal the nomination from Bernie again and watch the Bernie Bros burn down Milwaukee.

    Hey, I like Milwaukee. Let them burn down Madison. Or Chapel Hill NC.

    No, Burlington VT!

    • #37
  8. Kozak Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Barfly (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    Bernie probably increases GOP chances to win the House back. With Bernie as president and GOP Congress, we’d have epic gridlock. Thats not so bad. So, I don’t know if I’d be going NeverBernie. He’d be a special kind of harmless incompetence to laugh at, and he doesn’t have any major media to support his every idiocy, unlike Trump.

    That’s what I’m thinking. I’m pro-Bernie for the Dem nom because I want all the little socialists to out themselves. DJT will lash Saunders like the whipping boy he was born to be, and we’ll probably take the House while the media is distracted.

    I’m probably going to vote Bernie in the NC primary.

    I want the Democrats to really fly their Freak Flag.

    Yeah, that’s what the Democrats thought when they were hoping for Trump to get the R nomination in 2016.

     

    Fine. At least we get an honest contest.  Old School Bolshevik against Capitalist Patriot.  

     

    • #38
  9. Miffed White Male Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Influencer (View Comment):
    I want the DNC to steal the nomination from Bernie again and watch the Bernie Bros burn down Milwaukee.

    Certain parts of Milwaukee could use it.  

    But that’s not where the Bernie Bros will be.

     

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  10. PHCheese Inactive
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    @PHCheese

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Maybe he has Korsakoff Syndrome

    There are seven major symptoms of alcoholic Korsakoff syndrome (amnestic-confabulatory syndrome):

    1. anterograde amnesia, memory loss for events after the onset of the syndrome
    2. retrograde amnesia, memory loss extends back for some time before the onset of the syndrome
    3. amnesia of fixation, also known as fixation amnesia (loss of immediate memory, a person being unable to remember events of the past few minutes)[2][3][4]
    4. confabulation, that is, invented memories which are then taken by the patient as true due to gaps in memory, with such gaps sometimes associated with blackouts
    5. minimal content in conversation
    6. lack of insight
    7. apathy – the patients lose interest in things quickly, and generally appear indifferent to change.

    Joe had two major brain operations and had his skull opened for hemorrhages.  You don’t come away the same.

     

     

    • #40
  11. Gary Robbins Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    This is the choice of our resident Never for President.

    Robert Gates, secretary of defense under both George W. Bush and Barack Obama, wrote in his 2014 memoir Duty that Biden has been “wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.”

    This might seem like a tough indictment, but when asked about it, Gates cited some of the huge misjudgments of Biden’s long career. The former defense sec noted that Biden opposed aid to South Vietnam, which led to that country’s collapse.

    “He said that when the Shah fell in Iran in 1979 that that was a step forward for progress toward human rights in Iran,” Gates said. “He opposed virtually every element of President Reagan’s defense build-up. He voted against the B-1, the B-2, the MX and so on. He voted against the first Gulf War.”

    Gates’ catalog of Biden’s ineptitude is spot-on. Biden supported the “nuclear freeze” movement in the early 80s, which would have given the Soviet Union an edge over the United States at a time when the USSR was trying to bully its way around the world.

    Biden opposed the strategic defense initiative, which was essential to the collapse of the Soviet Union. Today, SDI technology defends people from Poland to Israel, not to mention the U.S.

    n 2007, Biden rejected the Bush Administration’s troop “surge” in Iraq. He declared it “a failed policy,” notes the Heritage Foundation’s James Phillips. “He later claimed that Iraq’s improved security, made possible by the surge, was a victory for the Obama Administration.”

    As recently as 2011, Biden “advised Obama not to send a military team to kill Osama bin Laden, the al-Qaeda leader who organized the September 11 terrorist attacks,” notes journalist Alex Ward. “The mission, with a few hiccups, was successful — and was arguably one of the biggest foreign policy ‘wins,’ at least symbolically, of Obama’s presidency.”

    Joe Biden Was Behind The Robert Bork Nomination Smear

    The new chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee was Biden. Many recall Sen. Ted Kennedy’s outrageous charge that with Bork on the court, “blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters.” But Bork’s chair wasn’t warm before Biden launched his shameful accusation:

    “It appears to me that you are saying that the government has as much right to control a married couple’s decision about choosing to have a child or not, as that government has a right to control the public utility’s right to pollute the air.”

    Biden was in charge of the Judicial Lynching of Clarence Thomas

    A new documentary about the life of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas highlights the latent racism in the Senate confirmation hearings led by then-Senator Joe Biden (D-Del.).

    There are so many things that are wrong with Biden.  But, he is not an avowed Socialist, and Bernie is.  There is a mountain of animosity against Trump.  We lost the House in 2018.  Bernie could win.  Biden and Bloomberg would be far preferable to Bernie, that’s all.

    • #41
  12. Gary Robbins Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Gary, my friend, I’m not sure where to start.

    First, thanks for your report. It is quite interesting.

    Second, I’m glad that you got home safely. Good job for taking the advice of a friendly cop, who clearly took the “protect and serve” motto seriously.

    Third . . . Biden? Really? Just a few weeks ago, we had a great time together in Scottsdale watching the Clarence Thomas movie. Thanks again for picking up the tab for the fine Italian lunch. We didn’t have a chance to talk after the movie, but my impression was that you were as inspired by Justice Thomas’s story as I was, and that you bristled as much as I did at the part of the movie recounting his vicious mistreatment in the Senate Judiciary Committee.

    I remember that it was Joe Biden chairing that committee, leading the “high-tech lynching” of the heroic Justice who, I believe, you admire as much as I do.

    And now you’re volunteering, and even risking your life a bit, to stump for the reprehensible Biden who put Justice Thomas through the ringer.

    I can only urge you to look at the company that you’re keeping, and come to your senses.

    Biden is not great; I have huge problems with how he treated Clarence Thomas and Robert Bork. Mike is far from perfect, and has several grave problems. The other candidates are zombie candidates who each have less than a 1% chance of winning per 538. See https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo. But, Bernie is a Socialist. If he is nominated by the Democrats, he will have a chance of winning. That cannot not happen.

    Right. Biden is not great. Trump is not great. But Biden tried to deny us Thomas, while Trump gave us Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. There have even been a couple of articles out this week, linked at RCP, suggesting that Trump’s appointments have tipped the 9th Circuit to the right.

    I’m keeping a seat open for you on the Trump Train, my friend.

    I may be boarding the Trump Train with you.  My only point is that Biden and Bloomberg are not avowed socialists, that’s all.

    • #42
  13. Gary Robbins Member
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    PHenry (View Comment):

    Gary, nice to see you back posting.

    I went waaaaay off the rails a couple of weeks ago and said something terrible about a good fellow Ricochetti.

    Sometimes it is important to take a break.

    • #43
  14. Gary Robbins Member
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    Barfly (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    Bernie probably increases GOP chances to win the House back. With Bernie as president and GOP Congress, we’d have epic gridlock. Thats not so bad. So, I don’t know if I’d be going NeverBernie. He’d be a special kind of harmless incompetence to laugh at, and he doesn’t have any major media to support his every idiocy, unlike Trump.

    That’s what I’m thinking. I’m pro-Bernie for the Dem nom because I want all the little socialists to out themselves. DJT will lash Saunders like the whipping boy he was born to be, and we’ll probably take the House while the media is distracted.

    You may be right.  On the other hand, if Bernie wins, it will be a very dark day for our Republic.

    • #44
  15. Gary Robbins Member
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    @GaryRobbins

    DrewInWisconsin, Influencer (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    But, Bernie is a Socialist. If he is nominated by the Democrats, he will have a chance of winning. That cannot not happen.

    So, does this mean you’re going to do the right thing and vote for President Trump?

    I am reserving judgment.  If there is a 3rd Party Romney-Flake ticket, I would likely vote for it.  Remember, in 1912, the incumbent Republican President came in third.  That could happen again.

    • #45
  16. Gary Robbins Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Barfly (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    Bernie probably increases GOP chances to win the House back. With Bernie as president and GOP Congress, we’d have epic gridlock. Thats not so bad. So, I don’t know if I’d be going NeverBernie. He’d be a special kind of harmless incompetence to laugh at, and he doesn’t have any major media to support his every idiocy, unlike Trump.

    That’s what I’m thinking. I’m pro-Bernie for the Dem nom because I want all the little socialists to out themselves. DJT will lash Saunders like the whipping boy he was born to be, and we’ll probably take the House while the media is distracted.

    I’m probably going to vote Bernie in the NC primary.

    I want the Democrats to really fly their Freak Flag.

    If Bernie wins the nomination and the general election, I would guess that you would regret that choice.  

    BTW, how is Tom Tillis doing in NC?

    • #46
  17. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Nohaaj (View Comment):

    When Bernie steps down, most likely after Super Tuesday, what is your contingency plan? And, thank you for the detailed first hand account of your caucus experience.

    I doubt that Bernie will step down after Super Tuesday.  528 does a couple of projections every day.  Right now, the odds are as follows:

    Sanders 44%

    No one (contested convention)  42%

    Biden  10%

    Bloomberg  4%

    Warren .3%

    Buttigieg  .1%

    See https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

    • #47
  18. Gary Robbins Member
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    drlorentz (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I am a Reagan Republican. I want the Party of Reagan to return.

    Okay boomer.

    Are you okay snowflake?  (This is my stock retort when someone says “Ok Boomer” to me.)

    • #48
  19. Gary Robbins Member
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    @GaryRobbins

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Barfly (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    Bernie probably increases GOP chances to win the House back. With Bernie as president and GOP Congress, we’d have epic gridlock. Thats not so bad. So, I don’t know if I’d be going NeverBernie. He’d be a special kind of harmless incompetence to laugh at, and he doesn’t have any major media to support his every idiocy, unlike Trump.

    That’s what I’m thinking. I’m pro-Bernie for the Dem nom because I want all the little socialists to out themselves. DJT will lash Saunders like the whipping boy he was born to be, and we’ll probably take the House while the media is distracted.

    I’m probably going to vote Bernie in the NC primary.

    I want the Democrats to really fly their Freak Flag.

    Yeah, that’s what the Democrats thought when they were hoping for Trump to get the R nomination in 2016.

    And when Jimmy Carter was thrilled that Reagan was nominated in 1980.  Be careful of what you wish for.

    • #49
  20. DrewInWisconsin, Influencer Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Influencer (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    But, Bernie is a Socialist. If he is nominated by the Democrats, he will have a chance of winning. That cannot not happen.

    So, does this mean you’re going to do the right thing and vote for President Trump?

    I am reserving judgment. If there is a 3rd Party Romney-Flake ticket, I would likely vote for it. Remember, in 1912, the incumbent Republican President came in third. That could happen again.

    You could put the country’s best interests before your own and vote for the Republican President.

    • #50
  21. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    It was quite an experience last weekend, one that I will likely remember for many, many years.  I have no regrets.  I just hope that the overt socialist can be stopped.

    • #51
  22. OldPhil Coolidge
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    @OldPhil

    Kozak (View Comment):
    5. minimal content in conversation

    C’mon, man!

    • #52
  23. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
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    DrewInWisconsin, Influencer (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Influencer (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    But, Bernie is a Socialist. If he is nominated by the Democrats, he will have a chance of winning. That cannot not happen.

    So, does this mean you’re going to do the right thing and vote for President Trump?

    I am reserving judgment. If there is a 3rd Party Romney-Flake ticket, I would likely vote for it. Remember, in 1912, the incumbent Republican President came in third. That could happen again.

    You could put the country’s best interests before your own and vote for the Republican President.

    I am reserving judgment, and will decide based upon all of the evidence available to me at the time of the general election.  I have not voted for a Democrat for President since 1972.  On the other hand, I have voted third party three times.  I will be voting.  The question is who I will be voting for.

    But the task at hand right now is to stop Bernie, who would be devastating to our country.

    • #53
  24. OldPhil Coolidge
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    @OldPhil

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    minimal content in conversation

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Nohaaj (View Comment):

    When Bernie steps down, most likely after Super Tuesday, what is your contingency plan? And, thank you for the detailed first hand account of your caucus experience.

    I doubt that Bernie will step down after Super Tuesday. 528 does a couple of projections every day. Right now, the odds are as follows:

    Sanders 44%

    No one (contested convention) 42%

    Biden 10%

    Bloomberg 4%

    Warren .3%

    Buttigieg .1%

    See https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

    I’m thinking the poster probably meant “When Biden steps down,”?

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  25. DrewInWisconsin, Influencer Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Influencer
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Influencer (View Comment):

    You could put the country’s best interests before your own and vote for the Republican President.

    I am reserving judgment, and will decide based upon all of the evidence available to me at the time of the general election. I have not voted for a Democrat for President since 1972. On the other hand, I have voted third party three times. I will be voting. The question is who I will be voting for.

    But the task at hand right now is to stop Bernie, who was be devastating to our country.

    Any of these Democrats would be bad for the country. It’s just that Bernie would be the worst. But all would be devastating to the progress we’ve made. Your country needs you, Gary. Vote Trump.

     

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  26. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    minimal content in conversation

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Nohaaj (View Comment):

    When Bernie steps down, most likely after Super Tuesday, what is your contingency plan? And, thank you for the detailed first hand account of your caucus experience.

    I doubt that Bernie will step down after Super Tuesday. 528 does a couple of projections every day. Right now, the odds are as follows:

    Sanders 44%

    No one (contested convention) 42%

    Biden 10%

    Bloomberg 4%

    Warren .3%

    Buttigieg .1%

    See https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

    I’m thinking the poster probably meant “When Biden steps down,”?

    If Biden steps down, then only Mike Bloomberg can take Bernie out.

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  27. drlorentz Member
    drlorentz
    @drlorentz

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I am a Reagan Republican. I want the Party of Reagan to return.

    Okay boomer.

    Are you okay snowflake? (This is my stock retort when someone says “Ok Boomer” to me.)

    When you ASSUME, you make an… Well, mostly you.

    I’m probably older than you, snowflake.

     

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  28. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I am a Reagan Republican. I want the Party of Reagan to return.

    Okay boomer.

    Are you okay snowflake? (This is my stock retort when someone says “Ok Boomer” to me.)

    When you ASSUME, you make an… Well, mostly you.

    I’m probably older than you, snowflake.

    As I said in my post, I am 67 years old.

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  29. Songwriter Inactive
    Songwriter
    @user_19450

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    . I want the Party of Reagan to return.

    And I want my Unicorn to be blue, and to poop Peanut Butter M&Ms.

    Now, what are we going to do in real world?

     

    Lol. Literally. Snorted even. 

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  30. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio…
    @ArizonaPatriot

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    . . .

    I’m keeping a seat open for you on the Trump Train, my friend.

    I may be boarding the Trump Train with you. My only point is that Biden and Bloomberg are not avowed socialists, that’s all.

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Influencer (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    But, Bernie is a Socialist. If he is nominated by the Democrats, he will have a chance of winning. That cannot not happen.

    So, does this mean you’re going to do the right thing and vote for President Trump?

    I am reserving judgment. If there is a 3rd Party Romney-Flake ticket, I would likely vote for it. Remember, in 1912, the incumbent Republican President came in third. That could happen again.

    Gary, thanks.  Your indications that you are persuadable are very encouraging to me, my friend.

    I do agree with you that Biden and Bloomberg, while bad, do not present the same danger as Sanders.  On the other hand, I think that Sanders is the least likely to prevail in the general election.

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