Conservative Swamp Creatures

 

Listening to a podcast by Jonah Goldberg it suddenly dawned on me why the guy is skeptical of Trump. As he said on the podcast, he has lived in Washington D.C. most of his life. He worked in think tanks there for years and all of his friends are government or political wonk types. He goes to all the big insider parties and functions. Most of the guests he has on the podcast are DC insiders, often second or third generation Swamp Creatures. He’s a Swamp Creature.

I have no doubt that he’s conservative and smart, but apparently he’s a Swamp Creature first and foremost. In fact, after a little research, I found that many of the other prominent conservative Trump skeptics are similar. They’ve been in and out of government in DC and/or work in this or that conservative think tank or publication. I expect that their first loyalty is to the place from which they draw their sustenance. Any threat to that is going to evoke a visceral reaction. And we all know what Trump promised to do and is doing with the Swamp.

First comes the emotional reaction, then there follows the rationale for it. With time this rationale becomes more elaborate, and what you’re left with at the end are conclusions that make no sense. So you have Bill Kristol saying that Trump has turned him into a Democrat. Editors of the Bulwark are advocating for a third-party candidate and David French is saying that Christians should not vote for Trump. This against the most firmly conservative, effective, and anti-abortion president ever.

Some of them say that Trump is an “existential” threat to the country, and he is in fact a threat to what they hold dear, but under Trump, the rest of the country is doing fine.

I’m not sure how fond of democracy any of these guys ever were, but increasingly they are open about being skeptical of it, and that’s apparently because democracy and the people have turned against the Swamp. And let us remind ourselves about why this has happened — the Swamp failed a large number of the American people. Washington insiders have contempt for ordinary Americans, and their policy preferences show it. Free trade and relatively open borders, among other things, boosted the economy and made Swamp Creatures and their friends rich and powerful. Ordinary Americans suffered from a loss of jobs and income, depression, dislocation, drug abuse, and suicide. The people have pushed back against Creature policies. This the conservative Swamp Creatures deride as populism and warn of mob rule, but instead of picking up pitchforks the people elected Donald Trump and most likely will do so again.

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  1. Barry Jones Thatcher
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    Drusus (View Comment):

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    Drusus (View Comment):
    You are welcome at any point to respond to the substance of what I said instead of taking one word out of context and running with it. I’ll wait – but I won’t hold my breath.

    Do hold your breath but don’t turn blue. But since you asked…

    Your primary objection to Goldberg’s conservative bona fides is his address?

    That is a seemingly willful misinterpretation of the OP. It’s not as if every resident of the District and environs is like Mr Goldberg in the sense discussed here. As a former resident of that area myself I can vouch for the fact that it is most diverse, demographically speaking. Instead, my interpretation is that it’s the company Mr Goldberg keeps, not his street address, that matters. It’s not unreasonable to judge people by the company they keep to some extent.

    How do you feel when people use language like “deplorables” or judge you according to your address as a “fly-over?”

    Much the same as I feel about your comment.

    I’ll take an Eric Cantor any day of the week.

    Too bad for you, and for him, that his constituents felt otherwise. It was my understanding that their collective opinions were more consequential than your individual opinion. He was turned out of office by the voters. That’s our system, objectionable though you may find it.

    You may cease waiting and resume breathing.

    It’s not a willful misinterpretation. Mr. Goldberg may live in blue, blue, blue DC, but his company is Buckleyite. I’ll take that over the company of the come-and-go sleaze that Trump has largely surrounded himself with, the Haley’s and Mattis’s notwithstanding.

    And about Eric Cantor? Brat did nothing useful and lost to Spanberger. His formerly useful seat is held by a Democrat. How about them apples?

    Not so sure The Dispatch is Buckleyite. WFB was rather famous for advising people to vote for the most conservative candidate that was most likely to get elected. Instead many of the Dispatch people threw their vote away with vanity vote for Mullen or similar while in the current cycle many of them seemed to be actively pulling for Biden or Klobuchar as a viable and good alternative to Trump. How is ANYONE in the Dem primary even remotely conservative? Trump may or may not be personally conservative but he has enacted more conservative policies than ANY Dem is ever likely to do – or most current Republicans, either. I would prefer a bit more “class” and “style” in the White House but will settle for good Judges, tax policy, regulation reform, immigration enforcement, etc.

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  2. The Reticulator Member
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    Drusus (View Comment):
    This entire post smacks of a bizarre sentiment akin to reverse racism. Your primary objection to Goldberg’s conservative bona fides is his address? How do you feel when people use language like “deplorables” or judge you according to your address as a “fly-over?” It’s a particularly hard pill for those of us who do not consider Washington insiders to be definitionally corrupt,

    I am bigotted against deep swamp creatures, especially if they live in the deep swamp and call us deplorable. You got a problem with that? Some of my best friends are swamp creatures, but I believe in treating with disdain the class to which they belong. 

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  3. Randy Webster Inactive
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    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):
    Add to that the concept that all this time there were holdovers and resisters within the Trump Administration intentionally attempting to create and cultivate the “choas in the White House” meme.

    Not just the meme, but also the actual chaos.

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  4. EDISONPARKS Member
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):
    Add to that the concept that all this time there were holdovers and resisters within the Trump Administration intentionally attempting to create and cultivate the “choas in the White House” meme.

    Not just the meme, but also the actual chaos.

    Agreed. 

    But to this day the MSM holds onto the meme of ongoing “Chaos in the White House” as if it is simply organic to anything Trump, while purposely looking the other way to well documented acts of sabotage within the Trump Admin(ie: Comey. McCabe, Yates, Ciaramella, Vindman, Attkinson,  …. I could go on). 

    There would at least be far less “Chaos in the White House” if there were not saboteurs intentionally creating Chaos in the White House for the purpose of creating the Chaos in the White House meme to try and damage Trump’s ability to govern and to hurt Trump politically for the 2020 election.

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  5. Roderic Coolidge
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    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    All true, but I choose to not get overly wrought up over his Never-Trumpism. I still regard “Liberal Fascism” and “The Tyranny of Cliches” as must-reads for Conservatives.

    I read his stuff and never fail to learn something by doing so.

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  6. Brian Clendinen Inactive
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    You can then basically say the same thing for a lot of Ricochet members here. A lot of use voted and will vote for him again, don’t think he is a conservative, he is moral repugnant, personally can’t stand him, and thinks he done a decent job as president. We can actually separate someone personality from their Job skills, especially when compared to the other options.

    This hero worship of British Royalty, Kobe Bryant, Obama and Trump (ict) I find morally pungent, regardless of who its coming from. All these Ricochet hero worship trump pieces published here. Is why I don’t spend much time here anymore. So few articles of substance anymore. Rank idol Punditry is just boring. One can only take so much of it.

    Also, don’t get me wrong about the only thing Obama is superior than Trump on was his personal life morality. Then again this is nothing new for lefties when compared to someone with Trumps personal life style.

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  7. DrewInWisconsin, Influencer Member
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    Brian Clendinen (View Comment):
    All these Ricochet hero worship trump pieces published here.

    Where?

     

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  8. jeannebodine Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Influencer

    Brian Clendinen (View Comment):
    All these Ricochet hero worship trump pieces published here.

    Where?

    Here:

    And here:

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  9. EDISONPARKS Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Influencer (View Comment):

    Brian Clendinen (View Comment):
    All these Ricochet hero worship trump pieces published here.

    Where?

    The Ricochet hero worship trump pieces are evidently all hidden in plain sight behind the straw men.

    Of course Ricochet hero worship Trump pieces would be very easy to run across when “I don’t spend much time here anymore”.

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  10. Norm McDonald Inactive
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    Brian Clendinen (View Comment):

    You can then basically say the same thing for a lot of Ricochet members here. A lot of use voted and will vote for him again, don’t think he is a conservative, he is moral repugnant, personally can’t stand him, and thinks he done a decent job as president. We can actually separate someone personality from their Job skills, especially when compared to the other options.

    This hero worship of British Royalty, Kobe Bryant, Obama and Trump (ict) I find morally pungent, regardless of who its coming from. All these Ricochet hero worship trump pieces published here. Is why I don’t spend much time here anymore. So few articles of substance anymore. Rank idol Punditry is just boring. One can only take so much of it.

    Also, don’t get me wrong about the only thing Obama is superior than Trump on was his personal life morality. Then again this is nothing new for lefties when compared to someone with Trumps personal life style.

    I’m just here to hit on @jeannebodine er, oops, I mean @rightangles and bite the heads off Chinese bats so I can call myself Sir CoughALot.

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  11. MISTER BITCOIN Inactive
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    MichaelKennedy (View Comment):

    Drusus (View Comment):
    Michael Flynn resigned after 24 days for misleading the Trump administration about his relationship with Russia. However you feel about his treatment by the FBI, that much is not in doubt. My further objections to him as scum come from the experience of a military family member who had dealings with him. Your mileage may vary.

    I will self -censor my reaction that statement. Flynn was the first target of the Deep State (or Intel community if you prefer) because he knows how useless the CIA has been since the Church Committee, if not before. Also you might be interested in the fact that the FBI agents initially reported on the 302s, which have vanished somehow, that he was not dishonest in his answers. That was before Sally Yates got hold of them.

    Flynn knew where all the dead bodies were buried.

    he was deep state target number 1

     

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