Removing Vindman

 

One of the benefits of being retired is that I have a lot of time to follow world events. One of the drawbacks of being retired is that I have a lot of time to follow world events. I honestly think I may have spent too much time in the last five months watching and reading about the whole Ukraine mess. I think I understand the chronology and have a pretty good understanding of the motivations of the actors involved.

Today, LTC Alexander Vindman got reassigned, his brother removed, and Amb. Sondland fired. Immediately and reflexively, LTC Vindman became a martyr to some on the left. But, as I like to do, I quote Uncle Joe Biden, “Come on, man.” Some call it a purge. But how on earth can President Trump ever rely on Vindman as a member of the National Security Council staff?

Beyond the evident truth that Vindman thinks he is a policymaker, rather than a policy advisor, how can his advice ever be devoid of suspect motives? Imagine some crisis or policy meeting in the situation room and the principals look across the table and see Vindman. Could they ever suspend their doubts about his contributions? I say this even acknowledging that whatever he says there may be appropriate and entirely correct. He went outside his chain of command to report a phone call in which his superiors saw no wrongdoing. He testified about his disagreement with the elected official’s policy. His history can’t be put aside, so he has to go.

I spent almost forty years working in the far less contentious world of television production. If I ever disagreed with a producer about a replay or a visual effect, when there was time the good producers would listen to my objection and take it into account. But the decision was theirs, not mine. If I continued to object or took it further, his job wasn’t in jeopardy, mine was. The thing about live sports production that’s exciting is that you have seconds to do it. The production crew has to mesh to get it right instantly. There’s no time for debate. There’s probably not an employee anywhere that hasn’t sometime felt he knew better than his boss. But a subordinate has to know his position in the chain of command.

I knew where I stood. Apologists for Vindman may not understand how he, rightly or wrongly, could never be trusted again.

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  1. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Donwatt: Some call it a purge.

    Others call it a high enema. There are so many orifice buildings in Washington into which the probe need to be inserted. 

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  2. Donwatt Inactive
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    cdor (View Comment):

    Donwatt (View Comment):

    Your Dad and Uncle had very important jobs and responsibilities. They were not working for the Intelligence Community of the USA government. I see a distinct difference.

    As do I.  I’m pretty sure they had pretty high security clearances. (Mom used to say it wasn’t Top Secret, it was Tip-top Secret). They had to have them just to discuss issues like nuclear submarines, stealth, etc.  I don’t and can’t know if any of their work involved intelligence.  

    And, yes, the Navy did get ships out of the deal.

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  3. Bob Thompson Member
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    Donwatt (View Comment):

    The only true ideologues in this story just might be people like the Vindmans, beavering away behind the scenes, and the House Dems, convinced they are the ones to save us all from ourselves. The problem with ideologues is that they will always go too far. History and graves teach us that.

    There’s a lesson to be learned here for those like John Bolton who are chosen by the President to advise and inform regarding a range of options to be considered in formulating foreign policy. Immigrants from other nations can be assets as language translators and may inform on cultural matters but must be received more cautiously when offering political advice. Without any suggestion regarding the Vindman twins view, we can be fairly certain they come with a point of view and it likely matches up with a faction within Ukrainian society that may or may not match up well with American interests. I’m a little reticent to accept that Vindman was solely disturbed that the President was pushing for a foreign nation’s inquiry into the actions of a political rival. 

     

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  4. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Instapundit flagged a November 2019 NY Post column by Josh Hammer today. The conclusion:

    To be sure, it is appropriate for top-level national security advisers to offer substantive opinions to the president. But Vindman has testified that he never even directly communicated with Trump.

    If Vindman actually attempted to deliberately thwart or undermine the duly enacted president’s foreign policy agenda, then he was attempting to unconstitutionally carry out the executive power that the Constitution of the United States vests in the president of the United States alone.

    Executive power, especially in the areas of foreign policy and national security, flows from the very person of the president. A lieutenant colonel has no right to interfere with the president’s discretion or attempt to undermine the president’s authority over policy disagreements — which is what the impeachment allegations amount to.

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  5. The Reticulator Member
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    Donwatt (View Comment):
    So I guess I have to come down on the side that twins can work together,

    There is no question that twins can work together. That can be a problem, which is why governments and businesses often have anti-nepotism regulations. They don’t want family relationships to create a conflict of interest. 

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  6. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    Likewise, after all that has transpired, it is strange that any of these people would want to remain in their now former positions.

    And 62 year old multi-millionaire Sondland is the only one who was actually fired, the others were reassigned.

    The twin lieutenant colonels cannot be “fired,” as in struck from the government employment rolls. They must be accorded the same process as any other officer in the U.S. military, in accordance with the UCMJ and applicable administrative regulations.

    Can they be assigned to a combat patrol in Afghanistan?

    They are both “Chairborn Rangers,” what was known in Vietnam as REMFs.  I assume the LTCOL ranks are subject to up or out, or to RIFs.

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  7. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):
    I’m a little reticent to accept that Vindman was solely disturbed that the President was pushing for a foreign nation’s inquiry into the actions of a political rival. 

    His boasting about being offered positions in the Ukraine government is enough to raise suspicion.

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  8. Doctor Robert Member
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    MichaelKennedy (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    Likewise, after all that has transpired, it is strange that any of these people would want to remain in their now former positions.

    And 62 year old multi-millionaire Sondland is the only one who was actually fired, the others were reassigned.

    The twin lieutenant colonels cannot be “fired,” as in struck from the government employment rolls. They must be accorded the same process as any other officer in the U.S. military, in accordance with the UCMJ and applicable administrative regulations.

    Can they be assigned to a combat patrol in Afghanistan?

    They are both “Chairborn Rangers,” what was known in Vietnam as REMFs. I assume the LTCOL ranks are subject to up or out, or to RIFs.

    OK, I found it. “Rear Echelon Military Figures”.  I propose that they be re-assigned as FLMFs.  “Front Line”, that is.  There they could riff to their hearts’ content.

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  9. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Alexander Vindman is going to the Army War College as scheduled, so I guess he’s on track for promotion.

     

     

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  10. OldPhil Coolidge
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    Alexander Vindman is going to the Army War College as scheduled, so I guess he’s on track for promotion.

    He’s going to teach undercover tactics.

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  11. Quietpi Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    I was surprised to learn that in our Lutheran synod, it is apparently common that when a church hires a new lead pastor, a lot of the ministry staff gets replaced. This is has not ever been the case in our church, thankfully. Probably because we’re a larger church and a lot more replacements would have to be hired.

    I don’t think I agree with that policy anyway. (Neither do those in leadership at our church, thankfully.)

    Huh?  I’ve been a Lutheran since baptism, never heard of such a thing.  Never witnessed it in any of the churches I’ve attended.  

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  12. Quietpi Member
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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):
    OK, I found it. “Rear Echelon Military Figures”.

    Wellll, that’s close.

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  13. The Reticulator Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    I was surprised to learn that in our Lutheran synod, it is apparently common that when a church hires a new lead pastor, a lot of the ministry staff gets replaced. This is has not ever been the case in our church, thankfully. Probably because we’re a larger church and a lot more replacements would have to be hired.

    I don’t think I agree with that policy anyway. (Neither do those in leadership at our church, thankfully.)

    I would want further data on “apparently common” before I’d believe it. It doesn’t seem like a good idea at all for a church, unless the lead guy is playing celebrity politics or thinks he needs to clean out the deep state in his congregation. But if “he” isn’t the correct pronoun, then I probably know which denomination you’re talking about. It’s one where anything goes.

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  14. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Quietpi (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    I was surprised to learn that in our Lutheran synod, it is apparently common that when a church hires a new lead pastor, a lot of the ministry staff gets replaced. This is has not ever been the case in our church, thankfully. Probably because we’re a larger church and a lot more replacements would have to be hired.

    I don’t think I agree with that policy anyway. (Neither do those in leadership at our church, thankfully.)

    Huh? I’ve been a Lutheran since baptism, never heard of such a thing. Never witnessed it in any of the churches I’ve attended.

    It surprised me when I learned about it, because it is not the case at our church. It may be one of those things that is observed in the breach.

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  15. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    I was surprised to learn that in our Lutheran synod, it is apparently common that when a church hires a new lead pastor, a lot of the ministry staff gets replaced. This is has not ever been the case in our church, thankfully. Probably because we’re a larger church and a lot more replacements would have to be hired.

    I don’t think I agree with that policy anyway. (Neither do those in leadership at our church, thankfully.)

    I would want further data on “apparently common” before I’d believe it. It doesn’t seem like a good idea at all for a church, unless the lead guy is playing celebrity politics or thinks he needs to clean out the deep state in his congregation. But if “he” isn’t the correct pronoun, then I probably know which denomination you’re talking about. It’s one where anything goes.

    Heh. No, we’re a fairly conservative denomination. No wimmin pastors. Also, low-church format as opposed to liturgical. We’re like rebel Lutherans. I think we share common roots with Evangelical Free Churches.

    Anyway, I’ll double-check if y’all are interested. I came up in conversation a few years ago when we got a new lead pastor. It might be an old synodical rule that nobody bothers with anymore but is still “on the books.” All I know is that we certainly don’t follow it. When we have open ministry positions, we have a hard enough time filling them. It would be dumb to purposefully “clean house.”

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