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  1. Instugator Thatcher
    Instugator
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    Different sources.

    Democrat ineptitude.

    Remember, never ascribe to malice that which could be explained by incompetence.

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  2. Basil Fawlty Member
    Basil Fawlty
    @BasilFawlty

    De gustibus non est disputindum.

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  3. Scott R Member
    Scott R
    @ScottR

    The Times has it right, best I can tell, since they’re ranking by SDEs (state delegate equivalents), which is how actual delegates are awarded. Further evidence: Predictit has Buttigieg with a 72% chance of winning Iowa, up from 25% this morning. Trust the guys with money on the line.

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  4. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Sundance may have it:

    A key point of reference is ABC reporter Kendall Karson revealing the DNC came in and took over the tabulations of the Iowa Caucus result prior to this release. One Democratic official I spoke to is being told that the DNC is “taking over” the accounting of results. The official said this that to their knowledge, this has never happened before.” (link)

    This is important because it highlights that The Club decided what partial results, from what locations, showing what outcomes, the Club wants to put forth.  Put another way, the DNC is releasing a specific 62% of the result to generate a specific Iowa narrative.

    So what did they release:

    [Data Source w/ 62% reporting]

    Again, notice how all Club needs are met with this release.

    Pete Buttigieg is proclaimed the winner (so far). This is narrative engineering that allows the promotion of Buttigieg and the diminishment of Bernie.  Undermining Bernie is the paramount Club goal here.  Buttigieg did not win the popular vote, and he will not likely be the final winner, but selecting this specific sub-set of votes allows a narrative to cement.

    Next, notice how Joe Biden is propped up above the 15 percent threshold.  This makes it appear that Biden will receive delegates.  He may or may not; but for the narrative, propping up Biden is again a necessary club objective.

    The dynamic to watch how Biden -vs- Sanders is played out and controlled.  The Club needs to diminish Bernie and hide the collapse of Biden.   The framework is to create a viable “Never Sanders” alternative?

    He points out that even MSNBC has paid attention:

     

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  5. JamesSalerno Inactive
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    @JamesSalerno

    This doesnt happen with Republicans.

    Imagine upside-down world where bizarro-Trump is running as an outsider Democrat in 2016. No way he makes it out of the primaries.

    For all the talk of election interference and voter obstruction, and establishment candidates, it’s amazing how much this applies to Democrats.

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  6. Scott R Member
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    @ScottR

    JamesSalerno (View Comment):

    This doesnt happen with Republicans.

    Imagine upside-down world where bizarro-Trump is running as an outsider Democrat in 2016. No way he makes it out of the primaries.

    For all the talk of election interference and voter obstruction, and establishment candidates, it’s amazing how much this applies to Democrats.

    Actually Republicans have had Iowa issues as well. In 2012 Santorum was denied the momentum of his Iowa win in NH and NV because it wasn’t revealed until the eve of the S.C. primary. 

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  7. Petty Boozswha Inactive
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    This morning the WSJ had Klobuchar ahead of Biden.

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  8. RushBabe49 Thatcher
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    @RushBabe49

    Not one of them can hold a candle to President Trump.

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  9. E. Kent Golding Moderator
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    Scott R (View Comment):

    JamesSalerno (View Comment):

    This doesnt happen with Republicans.

    Imagine upside-down world where bizarro-Trump is running as an outsider Democrat in 2016. No way he makes it out of the primaries.

    For all the talk of election interference and voter obstruction, and establishment candidates, it’s amazing how much this applies to Democrats.

    Actually Republicans have had Iowa issues as well. In 2012 Santorum was denied the momentum of his Iowa win in NH and NV because it wasn’t revealed until the eve of the S.C. primary.

    I voted for Santorum in a primary because I thought Mitt was the wrong person to lead a charge against Obamacare.    We will never know how well or poorly Rick would have done, but Mitt certainly choked.

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  10. E. Kent Golding Moderator
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    @EKentGolding

    I was hoping  Biden would be the democrat nominee because I am convinced he would go fully brain dead between the democratic convention and the general election.   Not that we would be able to tell.

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  11. CarolJoy, Above Top Secret Coolidge
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    JamesSalerno (View Comment):

    This doesnt happen with Republicans.

    Imagine upside-down world where bizarro-Trump is running as an outsider Democrat in 2016. No way he makes it out of the primaries.

    For all the talk of election interference and voter obstruction, and establishment candidates, it’s amazing how much this applies to Democrats.

    Every word you type is true. In 2o15, Trump told Jesse Ventura that his team of lawyers had examined quite carefully how things are managed, Primary-wise, in terms of candidates getting selected as the Party’s nominee for both major political parties.

    He was told by these lawyers to not bother running for President if he wished to run as a Democrat – that it would not be possible to untangle the corruption that 24 years of Clinton control over the DNC would slam him with. They were quite firm that the Republican Party although not  free of corruption, was still manageable in terms of his coming out the winner.

    Trump wisely took their advice and ended up in the Oval Office in 2016.

     

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  12. WilliamDean Coolidge
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    Sounds like it’s “Butti time” at the Times.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOdhL433uag

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  13. CarolJoy, Above Top Secret Coolidge
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    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    I was hoping Biden would be the democrat nominee because I am convinced he would go fully brain dead between the democratic convention and the general election. Not that we would be able to tell.

    Very true. I remember way back during the mad cow scare in the early 1990’s, someone on an early internet   forum asked if their cat could possibly come down with mad cow disease.

    The rest of us were like: don’t worry – you’d never notice the difference in your cat.

    Same thing applies to Biden.

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  14. Concretevol Thatcher
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    The biggest story here to me is how did a former Vice President, who basically had Iowa to himself without those pesky senators around, get boat-raced by a lunatic commie, a teenage Mayor from a small town, and a fake Indian version of HRC?  Lucky for him the incompetent dem party of Iowa (stands for “Idiots Out Wandering Aimlessly”) has totally dominated the news.  

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  15. MISTER BITCOIN Inactive
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    who schedules a caucus on the monday after super bowl???

     

     

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  16. Jules PA Inactive
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    A scam to make Iowa caucuses irrelevant, so Joe Biden can stay afloat?

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  17. Western Chauvinist Member
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    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):
    I voted for Santorum in a primary because I thought Mitt was the wrong person to lead a charge against Obamacare. We will never know how well or poorly Rick would have done, but Mitt certainly choked.

    I caucused for Santorum in Colorado where he won the state. Looking back, I recognized a populist vibe in him that Trump finally capitalized on, bigly! I’d like to rerun that election with Santorum as our candidate to see if he would do better than Mittens in the upper mid-west battleground states. 

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  18. Norm McDonald Inactive
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    Turd Ferguson - Imgflip

    “Who is Colonel Sanders?”

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  19. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    Oh its because the establishment wants Pete to win and has rigged the system.  Unless you believe that Hillary won 47 coin tosses in a row.

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  20. Brian Watt Inactive
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    I believe the New York Times is using Common Core mathematics.

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  21. Brian Watt Inactive
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    Concretevol (View Comment):

    The biggest story here to me is how did a former Vice President, who basically had Iowa to himself without those pesky senators around, get boat-raced by a lunatic commie, a teenage Mayor from a small town, and a fake Indian version of HRC? Lucky for him the incompetent dem party of Iowa (stands for “Idiots Out Wandering Aimlessly”) has totally dominated the news.

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  22. Pete EE Member
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    “Can Anyone Explain This?”

    WSJ is reporting the % of the popular vote. NYT is reporting the % of SDE. They ranked the candidates accordingly. By vote, Sanders is on top. By delegates, Butti is on top.

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  23. Instugator Thatcher
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    Pete EE (View Comment):

    “Can Anyone Explain This?”

    WSJ is reporting the % of the popular vote. NYT is reporting the % of SDE. They ranked the candidates accordingly. By vote, Sanders is on top. By delegates, Butti is on top.

    Man, sounds like a version of the Electoral College. I thought Demoncrats hated the Electoral College.

    Maybe someone should point out to the Iowa Democrat Party that whoever gets the most votes should get the most delegates.

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  24. Norm McDonald Inactive
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    @Pseudodionysius

    https://twitter.com/colonelbernie?lang=en

    https://twitter.com/ColonelBernie/status/697995671031296001

     

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  25. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    We should not be to critical remember how long in 2012 it took to declare Santorum winner of the Caucus?

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  26. Instugator Thatcher
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    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    We should not be to critical remember how long in 2012 it took to declare Santorum winner of the Caucus?

    No, I don’t remember.

    Don’t think it matters either since they touted their “app” and how good it was going to be.

    Oh and Mayor Pete paid a fee to the app maker and was able to declare himself winner without any results being posted.

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  27. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    I think that the good Mr. Robinson wants an explanation of the different results, which has been covered.

    I think that the explanation of Buttigieg’s exceptional performance may well be astonishing ignorance.  I hesistate to draw conclusions based on a single voter, but there is a really funny report out yesterday.  An Iowa Democratic voter asks for her ballot back after learning that Buttigieg is homosexual.

    This is someone who is interested and engaged enough to actually participate in a caucus.  One would expect more knowledge among such a group.  In fairness, Buttigieg has been completely open about his homosexuality, so it’s not as if he’s hiding something.

    Here’s one story on the issue.  I find it quite funny.  “Are you saying that he has a same-sex partner?  Pete?”  Answer:  “Yes.”  Then: “Are you kidding.  Then I don’t want anybody like that in the White House.  So can I have my card back?  I never knew that.”

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  28. CarolJoy, Above Top Secret Coolidge
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    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    who schedules a caucus on the monday after super bowl???

     

     

    Agreed. (As well as their scheduling the caucus the day before the State of the Union address.)

     

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  29. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I think that the good Mr. Robinson wants an explanation of the different results, which has been covered.

    I think that the explanation of Buttigieg’s exceptional performance may well be astonishing ignorance. I hesistate to draw conclusions based on a single voter, but there is a really funny report out yesterday. An Iowa Democratic voter asks for her ballot back after learning that Buttigieg is homosexual.

    This is someone who is interested and engaged enough to actually participate in a caucus. One would expect more knowledge among such a group. In fairness, Buttigieg has been completely open about his homosexuality, so it’s not as if he’s hiding something.

    Here’s one story on the issue. I find it quite funny. “Are you saying that he has a same-sex partner? Pete?” Answer: “Yes.” Then: “Are you kidding. Then I don’t want anybody like that in the White House. So can I have my card back? I never knew that.”

    Colorado elected the first “openly” gay governor and no one I know had any idea until it was announced he won and he was a “first.” /All genuflect.

    Democrats and the media (but, I repeat) have the ability to downplay the truth if it might hurt them. For example, how anti-American they are.

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