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Alan Dershowitz, representing the President during the Senate Impeachment Trial, responds to the point from the House Managers (I believe Zoe Lofgren, in particular) that most constitutional scholars today don’t agree with his interpretation of what constitutes sufficient grounds for impeachment and in the process shreds the House Managers and Lawrence Tribe. It’s a beautiful thing to behold.

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  1. Seawriter Contributor

    @garyrobbins

    (Sorry, the deble made me do it.) 

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    • January 29, 2020, at 3:51 PM PST
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  2. Hoyacon Member

    Nice. I hope nothing much comes up when he’s on their side.

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    • January 29, 2020, at 4:00 PM PST
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  3. Arahant Member

    Obama probably should have been impeached, but instead his scandals were covered up. Trump gets impeached for saying a phone call was “Perfect.”

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    • January 29, 2020, at 4:26 PM PST
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  4. Hoyacon Member

    I remember not liking him much when he got the guilty Claus Von Bulow off–even though it led to a good movie where Jeremy Irons was a better Von Bulow than Von Bulow. But the guy is good and has courage. Taking on a colleague like Tribe is not an easy thing to do.

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    • January 29, 2020, at 5:12 PM PST
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  5. Brian Watt Member
    Brian WattJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    John Dean either forgot that Nixon was not impeached or has been living in a delusion for many decades.

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    • January 29, 2020, at 5:57 PM PST
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  6. Hoyacon Member

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    John Dean either forgot that Nixon was not impeached or has been living in a delusion for many decades.

    Thanks for the translation. I found the tweet kind of —“indecipherable”?

     

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    • January 29, 2020, at 6:00 PM PST
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  7. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. StephensJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    This man is on the Left. He is a long time liberal! How is it, people on the right are unwilling to give him creedance?

     

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    • January 29, 2020, at 6:34 PM PST
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  8. Brian Watt Member
    Brian WattJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    This man is on the Left. He is a long time liberal! How is it, people on the right are unwilling to give him creedance?

    People such as?

     

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    • January 29, 2020, at 6:44 PM PST
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  9. Bob Wainwright Member

    I was just watching him point out that this impeachment logic would only work while a president is in his first term, because he wouldn’t have a reelection interest in a second term. His only interest would be the best interest of the country. Exact same act, but one is impeachable and the other isn’t, just based on what term it’s in.

    Aren’t the thought processes of liberals (other then Dershowitz) so infantile?

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    • January 29, 2020, at 6:47 PM PST
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  10. DonG (skeptic) Coolidge

    I think The Dersh promotes too low a standard for impeachable. It should be a high crime like treason or a crime that a super-majority of Congress cannot stop or undo.

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    • January 29, 2020, at 7:22 PM PST
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  11. Chris O. Coolidge
    Chris O.Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    He shifts between the framers, the Johnson impeachment, and modern day “woke” parlance without a beat, tying them all together in an extemporaneous speech. Pass the popcorn and give me more.

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    • January 29, 2020, at 7:53 PM PST
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  12. Doug Watt Moderator

    When I was in the police academy I had three prosecutors as instructors in my law classes. There were three law exams that we had to pass. Failure on any one of those exams meant dismissal from the academy.

    Mr. Dershowitz reminds me of those instructors. Sometimes instructors are not worth the tuition cost of the course’s they teach. I would suggest that Mr. Dershowitz is well worth the cost, and the time spent in his classroom.

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    • January 29, 2020, at 8:20 PM PST
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  13. Lockdowns are Precious Inactive
    Lockdowns are PreciousJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Speaking of O.J. Simpson…

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    • January 29, 2020, at 9:12 PM PST
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  14. Stad Thatcher

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    This man is on the Left. He is a long time liberal! How is it, people on the right are unwilling to give him creedance?

     

    I’m sure the Dersh is not a Trump supporter, but he knows if this new “standard” is adopted, our Federal government will become dysfunctional for decades to come. Maybe that should be more dysfunctional . . .

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    • January 30, 2020, at 5:43 AM PST
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  15. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western ChauvinistJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Nothing the Left does passes the “shoe-on-the-other-foot test.” The Left is fundamentally hypocritical and tyrannical (illiberal). A smart man like Alan Dershowitz might want to rethink his ideological allegiance. 

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    • January 30, 2020, at 7:52 AM PST
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  16. Arahant Member

    Stad (View Comment):
    Maybe that should be more dysfunctional . . .

    Yes, that would be more dysfunctional.

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    • January 30, 2020, at 7:53 AM PST
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  17. Old Bathos Moderator

    I can’t recall which of the Federalist Papers endorsed the Orange Man Bad standard. I am sure that legal scholar Jerry Nadler knows.

    Dershowitz fails to make the key distinction here. It’s not whether an action or intention was unlawful in any way or whether the Founders contemplated impeachment for such an action or intention but whether the action or intention was done by Donald Trump.

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    • January 30, 2020, at 8:19 AM PST
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  18. Arahant Member

    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    Dershowitz fails to make the key distinction here. It’s not whether an action or intention was unlawful in any way or whether the Founders contemplated impeachment for such an action or intention but whether the action or intention was done by Donald Trump.

    An important new standard that shall be extended to all Republicans.

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    • January 30, 2020, at 8:33 AM PST
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  19. Ed G. Member
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    Bob Wainwright (View Comment):

    I was just watching him point out that this impeachment logic would only work while a president is in his first term, because he wouldn’t have a reelection interest in a second term. His only interest would be the best interest of the country. Exact same act, but one is impeachable and the other isn’t, just based on what term it’s in.

    Aren’t the thought processes of liberals (other then Dershowitz) so infantile?

    There is only one thought process and I think it’s structural to being a leftist: the only consideration is achieving the goal. The ends justify the means. You have to crack a few eggs to make an omelette. Etc.

    They care not for process, procedure, rules, law, per se. They only care for these things as an end to their immediate goals. If these things impede the immediate goals then they will be carelessly discarded.

    Conservatives can do that too sometimes, but not structurally – not inherently. An inherent fundamental of conservatism is valuing process, procedure, rules, law, per se as the only workable solution to balance the competing interests and forces without common resort to violence.

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    • January 30, 2020, at 12:46 PM PST
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  20. ToryWarWriter Thatcher

    I wouldnt be surprised if Dersh voted for Trump.

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    • January 30, 2020, at 8:29 PM PST
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