Your friend Jim George thinks you'd be a great addition to Ricochet, so we'd like to offer you a special deal: You can become a member for no initial charge for one month!
Ricochet is a community of like-minded people who enjoy writing about and discussing politics (usually of the center-right nature), culture, sports, history, and just about every other topic under the sun in a fully moderated environment. We’re so sure you’ll like Ricochet, we’ll let you join and get your first month for free. Kick the tires: read the always eclectic member feed, write some posts, join discussions, participate in a live chat or two, and listen to a few of our over 50 (free) podcasts on every conceivable topic, hosted by some of the biggest names on the right, for 30 days on us. We’re confident you’re gonna love it.
I knew it! All that other stuff is a smokescreen. You’re a bloody Roman!
Probably that, too. The Romans were in Great Britain for three or four centuries. That was about sixteen centuries ago. I am probably descended from many Romans. In fact, so are you. According to the math, you only need to go back about eight hundred or a thousand years to be descended from everyone who was alive in Europe at that time who has currently living descendants. Going back two thousand years to the Roman Empire means everyone with European blood alive today is descended from every Roman alive in 20 AD who has living descendants.
Well now, if this doesn’t stir the pot, nothing will!
This conversation is part of our Group Writing Series under the January 2020 Group Writing Theme: Winter of Our Discontent. Many thanks to all who volunteered, filling out the month with minimal threats of disco from your friendly cat herder!
Interested in Group Writing topics that came before? See the handy compendium of monthly themes. Check out links in the Group Writing Group. You can also join the group to get a notification when a new monthly theme is posted.
Do we have February’s, yet?
Nice post, Arahant.
The history of spelling reform is populated by cranks and littered with failure. And thus it will ever be.
Of course, language changes naturally — and we happen to be in an era of rapid change due to the internet. I’ve even begun to use “BTW,” and I know what “doxing” means. I still use periods, though.
It’s a toy ghost. (Do you remember the question?)
Of course. It reminds me a bit of @kelsurprise‘s friend Beauregard.
Yep. There was a fellow many years ago who created an English dictionary that only had words descended from Anglo-Saxon words and excluded all of the foreign invaders from French and Latin. I don’t remember the fellow’s name, but the last name began with the French nobiliary particle of “de.”
This is one of the most salient of Arahant posts, striking at the complex root of English language communications. Chances of making it into a “Best of Ricochet 2020” collection? Insanely great.
Chances of any of the spelling suggestions being adopted in our lifetimes? Greatly insane.
BTW, I always thought of you and Judge Mental as having a quintessentially British/English background that exceeded that of afternoon tea, warm beer, cocker spaniels, and Top of the Pops on the BBC. One of the Judge’s ancestors more or less brought us into the age of steam–railroads, shipping, and industry.
You’ll want to put that quite distinctly at the ‘less’ end.
Steamships and mines. Nine patents, including inventions used as far away as in silver mines in Mexico? The old boy did alright.
Definitely true, but it gets the conversation started.
Well, he really put the “iron” into “Iron Horse”. Also, he put the “horse” into “Iron Horse”.
Though no one called his aquatic inventions “The Iron Fish”.
BTW, “The Iron Fish” would have been a good name for an ’80s band. Or a pub. Or a a nickname for a particularly incorruptible bookkeeper named Irving Fish.
Still…a bit beyond our lifetimes, I could see it. As Chinese and perhaps another language or two begins to rival English in world use, maybe towards the end of this century, I could imagine a defensive movement to simplify or clarify the English alphabet in the way you describe, a concession to make it easier to understand and adopt it.
Even with thirty letters, we would be much simpler than Chinese ideographs, and that is for certain.
ſ is for double esses. Or double eſes. Dumbaſ.
It was used at the beginning or middle of words, but never at the end, and only as the first of a pair, so ſucceſs, happineſs, bus, Miſsiſsippi, but never buſ. It was not a doubled eſs, itself, as is the case with the ß, which could be used to write “Dumbaß,” since the ß is considered a ligature of ſs. So, using the long s, Dumbaſs has to have the rounded s following the long s. Beſt to looſen thine armor, for it has cut circulation to thy head.
And you want to do this right after I bought a new Scrabble game? Thanks a lot.
Imagine the boon to the economy in Scrabble add-on packs. We could sell the extra tiles to so many people who already have the game set.
So do we need an Emperor Sejong the great to pull it off?
This fellow you mention, he was not William Barnes (1801-86)?
Additional note #1: Old Joke spelling reform rendering “FISH” as “GHOTI.”
Additional note #2: Somewhat more soberly, that Orwell’s Newspeak was a reform.
Maybe. I’m still bearish on Hasbro stock, just the same.
This is one of those things that I love to contemplate, but also admit that it will never ever happen. The alphabet is only the start – why not simplify the grammar as well? (c.f. Esperanto, Quenya, etc.) Could there be such a thing as a universal alphabet, or a universal grammar? This is the sort of thing that can spark knife-fights at linguist conventions.
Same movement, but no. The guy’s initials were CLD, and it was a chore to find out his real name. When I did find out, I had to laugh because the last name was French.
That’s the fun part.
Immigration tends to simplify languages, if not the alphabet used to write them. It probably complicates them, too, if the immigrants’ language starts to mix with the natives’.
And English will mix with anything and everything.
On the positive side, Post could advertise it’s Alpha-Bits cereal as “Now! More Letters!” on the outside of the box.
I could not agree more.
Wonderful post. :-)
You are amazing! It’s a wonder I learned to speak English at all! So messing with the alphabet would be a non-starter for me!