Conservative Media Shakeout and Misguided Price Points

 

I generally read and follow most right-of-center media endeavors, except for those that consistently offer very little (e.g., Heritage Signal, etc.). I have long had a high regard for Jonah Goldberg, usually appreciating his former stance of self-deprecating good humor; I have all of his books, some even autographed. I would have voted for David French for president had he run.

But I do not see the purpose of The Dispatch, Jonah’s new venture with Steve Hayes (former Weekly Standard editor; his book on The Connection is criminally neglected by all of the isolationists out there), and a few others (including David French lured away from National Review). I am not speaking here only as one who believes that the Green Bay Packers are Evil (they are, and Aaron Rodgers is one of the biggest jerks in professional sports; if you know Steve Hayes, you understand why it was necessary for me to point that out about Rodgers and the Packers).

Jonah’s writings are obviously the hoped-for attraction and were, in the past very good, more recently usually OK, except that he seems to have great difficulty finding a column or G-File topic these days that isn’t yet another stale rehash of why Trump is the worst evah. Even for those of us who are not big Trump fans, the broken-record reiteration of the same story, especially when accompanied by shallow “analysis” or simple parroting of the Ben Wittes Lawfare line, gets very old. Very fast. And very tedious.

So, for me, the problem based on what I see so far from The Dispatch, is that I don’t see any compelling value proposition – no space in the market for them to occupy, no value-added that is not there already in multiple places doing the same thing (all too often, drearily repetitive pieces on Bad Trump; Charlie Sykes’ stuff is the worst out there these days) – usually for a lot less or no money. The Dispatch is basically The Bulwark, but at $10 a month. The two operations could be combined with no loss in editorial quality, except that each is run by a different group of otherwise like-minded people who each want to be in charge of her/his own publication.

Why, exactly, would anyone spend $100 a year to read yet another screed against “populism” (Trump) that you read at The Bulwark?  If I want to get that steady diet, I can read a special talent like Kevin Williamson (who does roughly the same thing these days). And how is the value offered better than competitors for roughly the same amount of your money, such as the other conservative media organizations, or other non-political competitors for the same pot of money, such as Amazon Prime or Netflix? Ricochet is priced about right, NR Plus when you get the introductory digital subscription for about $59 is fine (incidentally the NR Plus auto-renew at $100 a year is not the prevailing substitution value correct price). Daily Wire is selling Ben Shapiro to his biggest fans at $100 a year; I do not subscribe, Ben is perfectly OK these days, but not to me at that price.

As the industry tries now to backfill a sellable paywall model in the internet media shakeout, conservative media – not just The Dispatch – is guilty of pricing to their perceived revenue need rather than to the market value filling an actual niche. It is like those who after the 2007 financial crisis found their home values underwater and their adjustable mortgage rates increased, so they needed to sell. Lots of people were trying to sell houses that they had unwisely bought at peak prices, and they put them up for sale at prices intended to get them “whole” out of bad mortgages. “I need $500,000, so price this $400,000 home at $525,000.” The market did not cooperate, and the actual prices reverted to pre-bubble vakues, not what would service the debt load.

And, when explaining the mission and positioning for the new media company, Steve Hayes said that the goal was not to be just another place for opinion writing, but to add the all-too-often missing reporting of stories, to add facts, not just viewpoints. So their first move was to add David French from National Review, whose metier is opinion writing, with added analytical pieces on Constitutional law. No shoe-leather reporting there. Then, early-hire Sarah Isgur was a guest on Area 45, the Hoover Institution podcast, and she explained that facts are all out there in this Twitter world of instant reporting, so her most important contribution would be to explain what the facts mean, presumably a la Vox Explainers. No shoe-leather reporting there, in fact, the description was roughly opposite Steve Hayes’ described mission.

Then Declan Garvey visited The Remnant just after the Horowitz Report was released, and a) he had not read it, so b) he and Jonah quoted David French, who seemed to have gotten his spin from reading the NYT – “There was no bias in the FBI, so there was a legitimate reason to run the investigation (and deceive the FISA court to get spy warrants looking anywhere possible for something to verify Steele).” Unlike Byron York, he apparently never got around to reading past the first paragraph of the report itself, nor has he, as far as I can see, acknowledged Horowitz’s Congressional testimony, which substantively contradicts virtually every statement or assumption that Schiff and French and Lawfare have relied on for the last two years.

David says roughly the same thing in every single column in a less entertaining style. His “legal analysis” of the Ukraine issue (published on 12/5/2019 in his newsletter) reads like Andrew Weissmann wrote it, not an allegedly fair-minded lawyer:

I’ve made my position on the House impeachment inquiry quite clear. It’s absolutely impeachable conduct for a president to distort international diplomacy in a strategically vital region of the world to attempt to coerce a desperate, dependent ally into investigating a crackpot conspiracy theory and a domestic political opponent. The president put his own interests above the country—and not in a minor matter. It’s important to set a precedent that such conduct is intolerable.

The statement above simply asserts a conclusion, without support for it, apparently based on the fact that Trump is such an unspeakably horrible person that he must be guilty. This is not reporting, nor is it analysis. It is a set of lazy, bald assertions made based on personal aesthetic distaste. It reflects as little intellectual content and insight as we get from most of Donald Trump’s tweets on policy matters.

Why pay the highest price in conservative media to subscribe to read this?

I think that the market will settle out eventually to the stage where people subscribe to one or two favorite, good value media purveyors at roughly $5 per month each, and use an excellent aggregator for supplemental information. The best of these is probably Real Clear Politics.

Then, after the shakeout is more mature, and the surviving startups have learned the value proposition lesson, someone will create a good value paywall aggregator, where you subscribe to the aggregator for $5 per month, and get a limited number of clicks per month (total for all month perhaps 100 articles including a very few at WSJ, etc.) over and above the two or three free reads now permitted. The administrative model is there already in the way music royalties are handled.

Of course, I could be dead wrong, and The Dispatch could sell a whole bunch of subscriptions at the rates they desire. If so, I will follow the CNN, NYT, and WaPo precedent and pretend that I did not spend the last three years peddling utter nonsense and spoon-fed propaganda, freeing me to be righteously opinionated about everything else.

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  1. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):
    Jonah has undoubtedly sacrificed millions of dollars by not capitulating to Trumpkinism

    Please define “Trumpkinism.”

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  2. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Good post, Duane. And you’re right — when it’s just pundits reporting “news” by quoting other pundits, and not bothering to do the actual work of newsgathering, what is the purpose?

    There are a lot of organizations in Washington that exist solely to rake in cash from gullible donors, maybe produce a report every now and then to make it look like the actually do something. I’m starting to feel as if this legion of beltway pundits, who produce little of value — unless you value divisiveness — could all disappear tomorrow and nobody would care and few would notice.

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  3. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    rgbact (View Comment):
    I get less impressed with VDH everytime I hear him.

    Why does that surprise no one here ?

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  4. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    For some one who is “less impressed every time I hear him” I would recommend his talk to a group of California conservatives in exile in Bakersfield CA.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgmR_5Hi2fw

    Wisdom based on experience.

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  5. Jim Kearney Member
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    Franco (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I wonder if these sites actually make money, or if the subscription fees are mostly for show. I seem to recall a Remnant podcast many months ago in which Goldberg discussed having obtained contributions from “investors,” or something like that.

    I’m not making a conspiracy claim (I hope), just floating a hypothesis. If there were some wealthy individuals who wanted to promote the viewpoint of the Bulwark or Disptach, one way to do it would be to make non-recourse loans to the entity, and perhaps plan to eventually forgive the loans.

    I’m not a tax expert, but it strikes me that such an investor could even claim a tax deduction for the loss.

    Since you asked:

    The organization’s 501(c)(4) advocacy counterpart, Defending Democracy Together, has been criticized for accepting at least $600,000 in two grants from Democracy Fund Voice, a 501(c)(4) group created and funded by left-wing mega-donor Pierre Omidyar. [10]According to Democracy Fund Voice’s website, in May 2018 it “approved two grants to Defending Democracy Together: first in the amount of up to $100,000 over one year and then in the amount of up to $500,000 over one year,” with specific mention of DDT’s Republicans for the Rule of Law project.

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    Another organization that helps fund The Bulwark is the Hewlett Foundation which purports to be non-partisan but has given over 100 million dollars to Planned Patenthood and is their second largest finder. Also supports Catholics for Choice

    https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/william-and-flora-hewlett-foundation/

    … so, yeah.

    Fascinating research. Maybe these foundations can claim to be bi-partisan by occasionally throwing at pittance (to them, lifeblood to the recipients) at their favorite “conservative” thinkers.

    What puzzles me is Bill’s choice of name for his 501(c)(4), Defending Democracy Together (DDT). Sounds toxic! Wasn’t he afraid the left would recoil at funding a group that sounds like a banned insecticide? Sure DDT saved half a billion lives, but ideas that big and edgy also get you banned by the Stockholm Convention. What if Kristol wants to resume his famous conservative cruises? I don’t think a “First Annual DDT Cruise” would pass muster in the most desirable EU ports.

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  6. Full Size Tabby Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Also, I would far rather have all the voices on Ricochet rather than the handful of voices on these other sites. I would rather read the Duane Oyens, Michael Kennedys, Zafars, and even Gary Robbinses of the world than be in an isolated space of like-minded people.

    The variety of voices here on Ricochet is why it is my dominant source. Whether or not I agree with the writers at The Dispatch, or TownHall, or National Review, each has a rather limited number of writers from an even more limited scope of backgrounds and current life experiences. Here we get input from dozens of people who live lives completely different from one another and come from different backgrounds. 

    Thoughts from three or four minds alone, even if they are the most brilliant minds around, is not worth $80 or $100 per year to me.

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  7. Franco Member
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    Jim Kearney (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I wonder if these sites actually make money, or if the subscription fees are mostly for show. I seem to recall a Remnant podcast many months ago in which Goldberg discussed having obtained contributions from “investors,” or something like that.

    I’m not making a conspiracy claim (I hope), just floating a hypothesis. If there were some wealthy individuals who wanted to promote the viewpoint of the Bulwark or Disptach, one way to do it would be to make non-recourse loans to the entity, and perhaps plan to eventually forgive the loans.

    I’m not a tax expert, but it strikes me that such an investor could even claim a tax deduction for the loss.

    Since you asked:

    The organization’s 501(c)(4) advocacy counterpart, Defending Democracy Together, has been criticized for accepting at least $600,000 in two grants from Democracy Fund Voice, a 501(c)(4) group created and funded by left-wing mega-donor Pierre Omidyar. [10]According to Democracy Fund Voice’s website, in May 2018 it “approved two grants to Defending Democracy Together: first in the amount of up to $100,000 over one year and then in the amount of up to $500,000 over one year,” with specific mention of DDT’s Republicans for the Rule of Law project.

    —————————————————————

    Another organization that helps fund The Bulwark is the Hewlett Foundation which purports to be non-partisan but has given over 100 million dollars to Planned Patenthood and is their second largest finder. Also supports Catholics for Choice

    https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/william-and-flora-hewlett-foundation/

    … so, yeah.

    Fascinating research. Maybe these foundations can claim to be bi-partisan by occasionally throwing at pittance (to them, lifeblood to the recipients) at their favorite “conservative” thinkers.

    What puzzles me is Bill’s choice of name for his 501(c)(4), Defending Democracy Together (DDT). Sounds toxic! Wasn’t he afraid the left would recoil at funding a group that sounds like a banned insecticide? Sure DDT saved half a billion lives, but ideas that big and edgy also get you banned by the Stockholm Convention. What if Kristol wants to resume his famous conservative cruises? I don’t think a “First Annual DDT Cruise” would pass muster in the most desirable EU ports.

    I find it interesting that Kristie ( my auto fill does this every time, it’s not worth changing anymore) named his publication a synonym for one of his seminal objections to Trump’s policies… a wall. 

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  8. Jdetente Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Jdetente (View Comment):
    Not sure who the deep pockets are keeping the enterprise afloat but most likely it is someone who wants a return to the good ol’ days.

    When Republicans “lost with dignity” and used those losses to fill their coffers by fundraising on promises they never intended to keep.

     

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  9. Eustace C. Scrubb Member
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    I really can’t justify spending any more money on political punditry than my Ricochet expenses. (And hey, with GLoP we get some Goldberg here as well.)

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  10. Petty Boozswha Inactive
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    I agree there is a distinction between The Bulwark and more extreme NeverTrumpers and The Dispatch.  I am as disappointed as anyone at some of the changes in Bill Kristol and Charlie Sykes, not to mention the Rubin’s and the Boot’s still claiming to be conservatives. 

    I wanted to add this comment because I don’t want to put words in Jonah’s mouth or provide a distraction to allow his ideological opponents to focus on instead of his real arguments: he may have said his opposition to Trump has cost him over a million dollars or something like that – not Millions! and Billions! of  dollars. I still think if he were primarily in it for the money he would have gone full Seb Gorka and sold Trump inspired hemorrhoid cremes and such.

     

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  11. Arahant Member
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    rgbact (View Comment):
    Didn’t the one guy write a “Flight 93” essay to encourage people to vote for Trump? Yeesh. Thats the opposite of intellectual.

    It’s nice when you can make up your own definition of intellectual and decide who is and is not to prove your point that no intellectual would support Trump. In intellectual land, we call that tautological.

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  12. Arahant Member
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    Franco (View Comment):
    And I venture you don’t even know what an intellectual is judging by your tautology that anyone who recommends Trump can’t be an intellectual. Do you know what a tautology is? Probably not, otherwise you wouldn’t have tried to employ one when trying to make a case for your intellectuals.

    I should have read ahead before posting that last. But, hey, we’re just calling what we see.

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  13. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):
    he may have said his opposition to Trump has cost him over a million dollars or something like that

    I don’t believe that.

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  14. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Eustace C. Scrubb (View Comment):
    I really can’t justify spending any more money on political punditry than my Ricochet expenses.

    I’m continually surprised that people spend money on The Bulwark or The Dispatch at all. What do they offer that you can’t find for free elsewhere on the net? At least Ricochet has forums where I can chat with people and contribute my own screeds. If Ricochet just had columnists telling me what to think and no subscriber participation, I wouldn’t spend money here either.

    The Punditry Bubble is due to burst.

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  15. Hoyacon Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):
    Didn’t the one guy write a “Flight 93” essay to encourage people to vote for Trump? Yeesh. Thats the opposite of intellectual.

    It’s nice when you can make up your own definition of intellectual and decide who is and is not to prove your point that no intellectual would support Trump. In intellectual land, we call that tautological.

    And besides, they don’t make intellectuals like they used to.  I don’t really think any of the NTers is up there with Erasmus of Rotterdam.

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  16. Petty Boozswha Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):
    he may have said his opposition to Trump has cost him over a million dollars or something like that

    I don’t believe that.

    Maybe it’s exuberant hyperbole or alternative facts. 

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  17. Franco Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):
    And I venture you don’t even know what an intellectual is judging by your tautology that anyone who recommends Trump can’t be an intellectual. Do you know what a tautology is? Probably not, otherwise you wouldn’t have tried to employ one when trying to make a case for your intellectuals.

    I should have read ahead before posting that last. But, hey, we’re just calling what we see.

    I like the way you put it better. I think that’s what the intellectuals in Canada call an ‘own 🥅”

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  18. Hoyacon Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Eustace C. Scrubb (View Comment):
    I really can’t justify spending any more money on political punditry than my Ricochet expenses.

    I’m continually surprised that people spend money on The Bulwark or The Dispatch at all. What do they offer that you can’t find for free elsewhere on the net? At least Ricochet has forums where I can chat with people and contribute my own screeds. If Ricochet just had columnists telling me what to think and no subscriber participation, I wouldn’t spend money here either.

    The Punditry Bubble is due to burst.

    My basic standard is “Tell me something I don’t know and give me reasons why I should believe it.”  Not “this is what I think and you should believe it because of who I am.”  The former is not all that difficult to accomplish (e.g., Andrew McCarthy) and actually can exist across the political spectrum.

     

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  19. Franco Member
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    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):
    he may have said his opposition to Trump has cost him over a million dollars or something like that

    I don’t believe that.

    Maybe it’s exuberant hyperbole or alternative facts.

    I don’t believe it either, but maybe he’s learning something from the master. Better use an obvious  exaggeration than to feign humility, (Rush Limbaugh has been doing that for years and only lefties were annoyed) or say, like his preferred candidate “I shouldn’t be penalized just because I happen to have the same name”, by guess who.

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  20. Arahant Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    And besides, they don’t make intellectuals like they used to. I don’t really think any of the NTers is up there with Erasmus of Rotterdam.

    I suspect that first what is meant is “Public Intellectual.” There are not so many Thomas Sowells or Charles Krauthammers out there. There never have been. Most of our other public intellectuals may be relatively intelligent and well-educated men, but they are hardly in the same league. I can probably find more private intellectuals on Ricochet than I can name public intellectuals, though. And none of them are automatically on one side or the other of any point without a great deal of thought. Those who accuse others of being intellectually lacking because they are for or against one man in politics are probably not among the intellectuals.

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  21. Hoyacon Member
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    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):
    he may have said his opposition to Trump has cost him over a million dollars or something like that

    I don’t believe that.

    Maybe it’s exuberant hyperbole or alternative facts.

    I never quite got the media hysteria over “alternative facts.”  That used to be called a “debate” or “presenting a different perspective.”  Maybe that was the problem.

    If I was young enough, I’d start a band called Exuberant Hyberbole.

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  22. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):
    he may have said his opposition to Trump has cost him over a million dollars or something like that

    I don’t believe that.

    Maybe it’s exuberant hyperbole or alternative facts.

    Then he’s exactly like Trump. I love it.

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  23. Arahant Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    If I were young enough, I’d start a band called Exuberant Hyberbole.

    Never too old. Do you need a recorder player?

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  24. Hoyacon Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    And besides, they don’t make intellectuals like they used to. I don’t really think any of the NTers is up there with Erasmus of Rotterdam.

    I suspect that first what is meant is “Public Intellectual.” There are not so many Thomas Sowells or Charles Krauthammers out there. There never have been. Most of our other public intellectuals may be relatively intelligent and well-educated men, but they are hardly in the same league.

    I certainly have no problem conferring the title on Bill Kristol’s parents, but I’m not so sure about its hereditary aspects.

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  25. Old Bathos Member
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    I was surprised to see the absence of “original reporting” in the debut of the Dispatch. Hiring David French was a horrific mistake. If your target audience is right of center, having two prominent Never-Trumpers as your lead writers is a branding and thus a marketing issue.

     

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  26. Henry Racette Member
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    Useful and — since it confirms my own views — perspicacious summary. Thank you.

    I’d still like to see a conservative portal, a single-fee entree into a web of paywalled conservative sites. Because I don’t think the five dollars here and five dollars there approach works well. (For example, I’m a digital subscriber to Commentary, but I rarely think to read it. I don’t think I’d want to subscribe to another conservative site and forget to read that as well, and that’s likely what would happen. Of course, that’s just me.)

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  27. CarolJoy, Above Top Secret Coolidge
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    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

    TDS has ruined so many minds….

    Perhaps some of them were already quite far along on that road to ruin…

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  28. Franco Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):
    he may have said his opposition to Trump has cost him over a million dollars or something like that

    I don’t believe that.

    Maybe it’s exuberant hyperbole or alternative facts.

    I never quite got the media hysteria over “alternative facts.” That used to be called a “debate” or “presenting a different perspective.” Maybe that was the problem.

    If I was young enough, I’d start a band called Exuberant Hyberbole.

    Yes. This is what I call hostile (mis)interpretation.

    They know they are doing it. It’s just too delicious to give up. The right does it too, although not as much. Who actually believes that Obama thought there were 57 states? He simply misspoke and I always lost respect when someone ( Hannity?) repeated that.

    As to band names, I like Cognitive Dissidents 

    Heres a really good one.

    Appearing Thursday Night

    No Cover Charge

    For some reason it hasn’t been used.

     

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  29. Arahant Member
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    Franco (View Comment):
    As to band names,

    There used to be a Newfie duo called “Free Beer.”

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  30. Duane Oyen Member
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    Franco (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    Theres just no 3 Trump “intellectuals” that can stack up with Jonah, Hayes, and French. Admit it. Just listening to them all on a podcast is gold. So, enjoy the intellectual also rans Kurt Schlicter, Mollie Hemingway, and Ahmari whats his face. TownHall is charging about $90 and they don’t have even one person that ranks with those 3. Just a bunch of Trumper lightweights throwing out the daily low grade red meat. You can hire fresh college grads for that game.

    Victor Davis Hanson. That’s three right there. Or equivalent to three.

    Jonah is a lightweight compared to him. I don’t even know the other two very well. Of course stipulating there is some extra value in having “intellectuals” on your side in these matters.

    But to fil out your insipid challenge there’s Larry Arn, Michael Anton, Angelo Codevilla and Conrad Black.

    Speaking with a calm soothing voice doesn’t make you an intellectual. I get less impressed with VDH everytime I hear him. He may just be a hack. Those other 4 guys I don’t even know. Didn’t the one guy write a “Flight 93” essay to encourage people to vote for Trump? Yeesh. Thats the opposite of intellectual.

    The reason I think being “intellectual” matters is that it justifies higher fees for a political website. Thats what you’re paying for. Political porn after all is cheap and easy to produce by even college kids. If thats all you want….then you shouldn’t be paying for it imo.

    Ok, you really stepped in it. VDH is more than a soothing voice. Read any of his books.

    And I venture you don’t even know what an intellectual is judging by your tautology that anyone who recommends Trump can’t be an intellectual. Do you know what a tautology is? Probably not, otherwise you wouldn’t have tried to employ one when trying to make a case for your intellectuals.

    As to porn, some of the very best porn is *free. Sorry have to pay for it.

    *( I’m citing my lovely wife… okay not exactly free…) but I’ve heard also that there are free web sites, only hearsay of course…

     

    I am commenting here only to endorse the concept of “wifeporn”.   Nothing whatever can top or compete with the erotic appeal of a lovely wife, especially one of many years (>45 in our case) and mature demeanor.  And plenny good-lookin’ and gropable.  She announced two nights ago that she was going to give up eating ice cream because she was up all the way to 106 pounds….

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