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The whole gender identity movement, the so-called “trans” thing, the idea that sex is not biologically determined, the idea that it’s really more complicated than two overlapping bell curves of masculine and feminine traits — all of that seems pretty absurd to me. It also seems important, in that it’s the first time we Americans have been told that we have to profess belief in something patently absurd or face censure in the workplace and society — and possible prosecution in New York City.

I comment on it more often than something as ridiculous as the “trans” movement would seem to deserve. I usually comment about it on Facebook, rather than here, because I assume most people here are broadly in agreement that the whole thing is silly.

I have about 875 “friends” on Facebook. Almost all of them chose to “friend” me because of my politics and cultural criticism, since that’s about all I post there. They’re a self-selected lot, overwhelmingly conservative, and I can count on them for a decent number of “shares” (re-postings) of what I write, and a reasonable number of “likes”: most posts will get 20 or 30 likes, and a popular post might get 80 or 100 likes, with a couple of dozen shares.

Earlier today I posted the following, after reading some ridiculous article about a “trans-man” complaining about the “pain of menstruation.”

Birds and Bees 101

As far as human reproduction goes, people come in two varieties: male, and female.

Healthy males produce sperm and are capable of fertilizing eggs. Only people born male are capable of doing this.

Healthy females produce eggs and are capable of becoming pregnant and giving birth. Only people born female are capable of doing this.

No one born male is capable of giving birth. No one born female is capable of fertilizing eggs.

People can choose to affect whatever kinds of sexual identities they like. Transvestites, people who like to dress like and pass themselves off as members of the opposite sex, have always been with us. This has nothing to do with their ability to fertilize eggs or give birth. In other words, it has nothing to do with their biological sex. It is matter of style and presentation, of how they choose to act.

So-called “trans-women” are not women, but rather male transvestites dressing as women. There’s nothing wrong with that, in my opinion. But it is a mistake to think that they are in any sense biologically female, simply because they dress and make themselves up, and sometimes modify their bodies, so as to appear female.

Similarly, so-called “trans-men” are not men, but rather female transvestites dressing as men. Again, there’s nothing wrong with that, in my opinion. But it would be a mistake to believe that these women are, in any sense, biologically male.

It shouldn’t be necessary to say this, but I keep reading about people who think “trans-man gives birth” is an extraordinary event. Women — and only women — have been giving birth for millennia, at the very least. While a woman giving birth is beautiful and wonderful, it’s nothing new.

I found the response — or lack of response — interesting. My Facebook posts about the trans movement get far fewer likes or shares than any other topic on which I post, other than the occasional obscure post about quantum computing or the like. I don’t know if the topic is just not interesting to most people, if my particular take on it is somehow off-putting, or if people have a reluctance to express an opinion about it. It doesn’t seem likely to me that hundreds of reliably conservative Facebook friends would shy away from the subject. On the other hand, I know that I’m far removed from popular culture, since I don’t watch television or listen to the radio or work in an office and mix with a lot of people. Maybe this stuff is more accepted than I want to believe.

I’d like to believe that most people simply find the topic boring or irrelevant, rather than think that people have grown to accept the nonsense and are reluctant to question it. Either way, I’ll keep commenting on it, because I think it matters. But it perplexes me just a little.

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  1. MichaelKennedy Coolidge

    I don’t “friend” people on Facebook unless they are family or known friends from the real world. The whole gender dysphoria/transgender thing is more evidence that we are entering a Weimar Germany phase in our history.

    • #1
    • January 13, 2020, at 7:32 PM PST
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  2. Bruce Caward Thatcher
    Bruce Caward Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    That which you posted is a succinct way of stating the issue. Throughout all of the recorded history I am aware of, this would all be so obvious that to have someone find it necessary to state it, however cogently, would be bewildering. It is an observation that is unassailable, in the context of observed, scientific reality.

    There are a lot of problems we can identify, disagreements we may have with each other about the best way to get through this thing (life). We are a curious, imaginitive, creative species. We can constantly probe our surroundings, our relationships with each other, testing for problems, always trying to improve, adapt, survive.

    When we have to resort to calling each other out on something this fundamental, we have run out of problems. Rejoice!

    (However much I mean this, I don’t mean to be flip. When our precious government get involved in these matters, it’s time to go to the mattresses.) 

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    • January 13, 2020, at 7:59 PM PST
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  3. Clavius Thatcher

    I believe people did not like and share because they are afraid of the trans-supporting mob that’s out there. The one that drove a British man to commit suicide after his group protested drag queens reading to little children at the public library.

    • #3
    • January 13, 2020, at 8:11 PM PST
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  4. DonG (skeptic) Coolidge

    Henry Racette: two overlapping bell curves of masculine and feminine traits

    Bell curves are one-dimensional. Human traits are very complicated with hundreds of dimensions of various modal distributions. Because of this, there is the idea that every person is their own unique “gender”. What is the point of that? The word “gender” has just been re-defined to match “personality” and we need to use proper nouns instead of pronouns. 

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    • January 13, 2020, at 8:21 PM PST
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  5. Henry Racette Contributor
    Henry Racette

    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

    Henry Racette: two overlapping bell curves of masculine and feminine traits

    Bell curves are one-dimensional. Human traits are very complicated with hundreds of dimensions of various modal distributions. Because of this, there is the idea that every person is their own unique “gender”. What is the point of that? The word “gender” has just been re-defined to match “personality” and we need to use proper nouns instead of pronouns.

    I’m not sure if you’re being entirely serious or intending to parody what is increasingly the popular (mis)conception about human sexuality. I’m going to go with the latter, because eliminating pronouns is unnecessary and silly, and you seem like a sensible guy.

    There is a constellation of personality traits that distribute by sex in a characteristic fashion, creating what are essentially two overlapping, normal distributions. For any one of those traits, we can make statistical predictions based on the sex of an individual; for these sex-linked traits, those predictions will tend, more often than not, to be correct.

    Those traits which are conspicuously emphasized in the male population we can label “masculine,” those prominent in the female population, “feminine.”

    We can make up individual labels for different combinations of these traits, but that doesn’t change the fact that the traits themselves tend to partition statistically based on sex. There are women who express more masculine traits than the typical woman; even some who express more masculine traits than the typical man. The opposite is also true.

    If we want to create labels for effeminate men or masculine women, I guess we can do that. I don’t see the point, as we’re pretty good at recognizing what we see and there seems little utility in labeling it. Either eschewing or inventing pronouns on that basis is just nuts.

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    • January 13, 2020, at 8:45 PM PST
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  6. RushBabe49 Thatcher

    I have to deal with this every day at work. The admin in our area is a male who has deemed himself female. He changed his name to a rather weird totally-made-up name, dresses in female clothes, wears women’s platform shoes, etc. However, it looks to me like this is not working. No matter how hard he tries, he cannot grow what hair he has, past his ears. I think he looks absolutely ridiculous, trying to be a female and simply not succeeding. Everyone else in the company totally goes along with this charade, except me. I just try to stay away from him (her?), and do not refer to him (her?) if I can avoid it. I just keep my distance and my silence.

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    • January 13, 2020, at 9:20 PM PST
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  7. Henry Racette Contributor
    Henry Racette

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    I have to deal with this every day at work. The admin in our area is a male who has deemed himself female. He changed his name to a rather weird totally-made-up name, dresses in female clothes, wears women’s platform shoes, etc. However, it looks to me like this is not working. No matter how hard he tries, he cannot grow what hair he has, past his ears. I think he looks absolutely ridiculous, trying to be a female and simply not succeeding. Everyone else in the company totally goes along with this charade, except me. I just try to stay away from him (her?), and do not refer to him (her?) if I can avoid it. I just keep my distance and my silence.

    People are fragile. I’m casually dismissive of all the college kids who play at being gender-nonconforming. I think they’re silly kids playing games and self-indulgently breaking rules. More mature people going through this, I’m not sure. I think they’re just disturbed.

    I’d be tempted to talk politely with someone like your admin, and to ask what he was thinking, to try to understand it. But I understand that that’s problematic in the modern workplace.

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    • January 13, 2020, at 9:32 PM PST
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  8. Aaron Miller Member
    Aaron Miller Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    I suspect your Facebook followers were either distracted by events or else are fearful of the pink jackboots. 

    Henry Racette: It also seems important, in that it’s the first time we Americans have been told that we have to profess belief in something patently absurd or face censure in the workplace and society — and possible prosecution in New York City.

    Exactly. Millions of people are now in a habit of latching onto whatever absurd complaint passes into fashion. They are in a habit of hating and/or threatening anyone who objects. And their opponents are in a habit of bitter but fearful silence.

    The foundation has been laid for totalitarian government. Nothing, not even nature and “the facts of life”, are beyond authoritative decrees. And one of our only two political parties is now in a habit of declaring rival Presidents illegitimate imposters, alongside regular demonizations of anything traditional or sane. Without a cultural awakening, the West is headed for a period every bit as dark and brutal as the horrors our grandparents witnessed. When the symbol of God’s mercy — the rainbow — is refashioned to celebrate lies, it is a sign that evil has overtaken popular culture. 

    We are social animals. It’s difficult to believe you are right when everybody (open about their beliefs) is wrong. Good people will be tempted to go along to get along. One can’t overstate the importance of frankly speaking truth in public. This is a hill to die on.

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    • January 13, 2020, at 10:05 PM PST
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  9. Henry Racette Contributor
    Henry Racette

    Aaron Miller (View Comment):
    This is a hill to die on.

    Though it seems like such a ridiculous issue, I think you’re absolutely right. This is important.

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    • January 13, 2020, at 10:09 PM PST
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  10. Clavius Thatcher

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Aaron Miller (View Comment):
    This is a hill to die on.

    Though it seems like such a ridiculous issue, I think you’re absolutely right. This is important.

    Yes, it is about insisting that reality exists. Otherwise we become subject to the Ministry of Truth.

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    • January 13, 2020, at 10:18 PM PST
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  11. Henry Racette Contributor
    Henry Racette

    Clavius (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Aaron Miller (View Comment):
    This is a hill to die on.

    Though it seems like such a ridiculous issue, I think you’re absolutely right. This is important.

    Yes, it is about insisting that reality exists. Otherwise we become subject to the Ministry of Truth.

    Right.

    I think a lot of people don’t appreciate how different this is from past progressive efforts, with its insistence that we essentially confess a belief. Your metaphor is apt: it does have a totalitarian quality about it.

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    • January 13, 2020, at 10:22 PM PST
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  12. Hartmann von Aue Member

    For your further reading: https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/06/15145/?fbclid=IwAR3oebUkdJPNpWLF0KBvezzBclS0WgyV3HbqwbpOk1Lze3iWUMX0rCcoSf8 

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    • January 13, 2020, at 11:00 PM PST
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  13. Freeven Member
    Freeven Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Henry Racette:

    Healthy males produce sperm and are capable of fertilizing eggs. Only people born male are capable of doing this.

    Healthy females produce eggs and are capable of becoming pregnant and giving birth. Only people born female are capable of doing this.

    No one born male is capable of giving birth. No one born female is capable of fertilizing eggs.

    Who knows if this will be the case in 10 (or whatever) years?

    Advancements in science seem to be slowly nudging Americans toward the pro-life side of the abortion issue. While it’s not the same thing, if we get to the point where medical procedures allow men to give birth and women to fertilize eggs, perhaps we’ll see a similar shift toward accepting the new paradigm on gender. 

    I’ve read some who say this is all a fad, and reality will pull people back in time. Others say this is a brave new world and we will have to accept it. I slightly suspect the latter is the case, but have no real clue. It will be interesting.

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    • January 13, 2020, at 11:19 PM PST
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  14. Henry Racette Contributor
    Henry Racette

    Freeven (View Comment):

    Henry Racette:

    Healthy males produce sperm and are capable of fertilizing eggs. Only people born male are capable of doing this.

    Healthy females produce eggs and are capable of becoming pregnant and giving birth. Only people born female are capable of doing this.

    No one born male is capable of giving birth. No one born female is capable of fertilizing eggs.

    Who knows if this will be the case in 10 (or whatever) years?

    Indeed.

    But it’s the case today.

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    • January 13, 2020, at 11:21 PM PST
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  15. OkieSailor Member
    OkieSailor Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    This is the issue most basic to Liberty. Being told what not to think is the most constricting possible limit to personal freedom. Make no mistake, we are being told what not to think not just what not to say. To stand against it is essential for future Liberty. There is a price to pay, freedom is never free nor permanent.

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    • January 14, 2020, at 3:37 AM PST
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  16. Kozak Member
    Kozak Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Henry Racette: I found the response — or lack of response — interesting. My Facebook posts about the trans movement get far fewer likes or shares than any other topic on which I post, other than the occasional obscure post about quantum computing or the like. I don’t know if the topic is just not interesting to most people, if my particular take on it is somehow off-putting, or if people have a reluctance to express an opinion about it.

    Check with your facebook friends to see if they actually saw the post. I wonder if Thought Crime gets automatically suppressed….

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    • January 14, 2020, at 4:48 AM PST
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  17. GLDIII Temporarily Essential Reagan
    GLDIII Temporarily Essential Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    At my federal institution of employment I have been getting an email “Ping” several time a month asking me to “anonymously” fill out an online LGBQRTY+ survey to take a pulse of the “atmosphere” surrounding “our” acceptance of fellow workers. I have been studiously avoiding this request and the more recent requests want to know why I have not responded to the survey emails.

    Anonymous on line survey? Pushaw

    Yes this is just like making sure the government does not have a gun registry because it only for “information”……. Till later.

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    • January 14, 2020, at 5:00 AM PST
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  18. Full Size Tabby Member

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    I have to deal with this every day at work. The admin in our area is a male who has deemed himself female. He changed his name to a rather weird totally-made-up name, dresses in female clothes, wears women’s platform shoes, etc. However, it looks to me like this is not working. No matter how hard he tries, he cannot grow what hair he has, past his ears. I think he looks absolutely ridiculous, trying to be a female and simply not succeeding. Everyone else in the company totally goes along with this charade, except me. I just try to stay away from him (her?), and do not refer to him (her?) if I can avoid it. I just keep my distance and my silence.

    As a department manager at a large (and therefore Progressive) company, I feared the possibility that such a person would show up and insist on using the women’s restroom on the building floor. The [actual] women in the department would have been outraged at the idea of having to share a restroom with a man pretending to be a woman, and I feared that I would have been expected to somehow mediate the situation. Our 30 story building had no single-stall restrooms. 

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    • January 14, 2020, at 5:14 AM PST
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  19. Full Size Tabby Member

    Freeven (View Comment):

    Henry Racette:

    Healthy males produce sperm and are capable of fertilizing eggs. Only people born male are capable of doing this.

    Healthy females produce eggs and are capable of becoming pregnant and giving birth. Only people born female are capable of doing this.

    No one born male is capable of giving birth. No one born female is capable of fertilizing eggs.

    Who knows if this will be the case in 10 (or whatever) years?

    Advancements in science seem to be slowly nudging Americans toward the pro-life side of the abortion issue. While it’s not the same thing, if we get to the point where medical procedures allow men to give birth and women to fertilize eggs, perhaps we’ll see a similar shift toward accepting the new paradigm on gender.

    I’ve read some who say this is all a fad, and reality will pull people back in time. Others say this is a brave new world and we will have to accept it. I slightly suspect the latter is the case, but have no real clue. It will be interesting.

    But maleness or femaleness is embedded in literally every cell of a person’s body as carried by DNA, regardless of how much we may alter the external appearances of the body, or even some of the large system internal plumbing. 

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    • January 14, 2020, at 5:21 AM PST
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  20. danok1 Member

    To me, the so-called “trans-men/women” are mentally ill. The idea that everyone must go along with their delusions, and in fact support mutilating their bodies, is insane. It’s akin to finding a man who believes he’s Jesus Christ and providing him with disciples, helping him to wander around a desert, and then actually crucifying him.

    We don’t crucify the man who thinks he’s Christ or otherwise indulge his delusion; we try to treat whatever mental illness makes him think that. We should do the same with “trans” people.

    As for what we each can do, Solzhenitsyn guides us:

    So in our timidity, let each of us make a choice: Whether consciously, to remain a servant of falsehood—of course, it is not out of inclination, but to feed one’s family, that one raises his children in the spirit of lies—or to shrug off the lies and become an honest man worthy of respect both by one’s children and contemporaries.

    And from that day onward he:

    Will not henceforth write, sign, or print in any way a single phrase which in his opinion distorts the truth.Will utter such a phrase neither in private conversation not in the presence of many people, neither on his own behalf not at the prompting of someone else, either in the role of agitator, teacher, educator, not in a theatrical role.

    Will not depict, foster or broadcast a single idea which he can only see is false or a distortion of the truth whether it be in painting, sculpture, photography, technical science, or music.

    Will not cite out of context, either orally or written, a single quotation so as to please someone, to feather his own nest, to achieve success in his work, if he does not share completely the idea which is quoted, or if it does not accurately reflect the matter at issue.

    Will not allow himself to be compelled to attend demonstrations or meetings if they are contrary to his desire or will, will neither take into hand not raise into the air a poster or slogan which he does not completely accept.

    Will not raise his hand to vote for a proposal with which he does not sincerely sympathize, will vote neither openly nor secretly for a person whom he considers unworthy or of doubtful abilities.

    Will not allow himself to be dragged to a meeting where there can be expected a forced or distorted discussion of a question. Will immediately talk out of a meeting, session, lecture, performance or film showing if he hears a speaker tell lies, or purvey ideological nonsense or shameless propaganda.

    Live not by lies!

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    • January 14, 2020, at 5:55 AM PST
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  21. Aaron Miller Member
    Aaron Miller Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    The idea that thoughts are the whole of personal identity and the body is just a fleeting slave of the mind is an idea thousands of years old, not a modern revelation. This confusion is regress, not progress. Modern science has verified the constant interaction of mind and body. 

    If you dismiss physical identity as a mere reflection of mental desire, then the physical form needn’t even be human. We have only begun to witness the self-mutilations, the public fantasies, and the beastial pleasures that follow this errant philosophy… though it has already resulted in the killing of children too young to exhibit independent thought (babies in the womb). 

    This is downstream of feminism, secular humanism, and other trends centuries in the making. Essentially, it is a rejection of inheritance and roles; a desire for radical self-creation. It is little different than when God’s highest angel became the lowest because Lucifer refused to serve lesser beings. It’s pride, just as the LGBTQ fools claim. 

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    • January 14, 2020, at 6:13 AM PST
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  22. Ralphie Member

    Clavius (View Comment):

    I believe people did not like and share because they are afraid of the trans-supporting mob that’s out there. The one that drove a British man to commit suicide after his group protested drag queens reading to little children at the public library.

    I’d go with this explaination. It is pretty self evident that the trans movement isn’t worth losing your job/family/life over. It is hoped, this madness will burn out like a virus.

     Trans activists are pre empting dissent.

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    • January 14, 2020, at 6:23 AM PST
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  23. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member

    Henry, I understand your position, but I don’t think that it’s conservative. I think that it is libertarian.

    Why would you find cross-dressing perfectly permissible? Well, because you’re a libertarian, at least on this issue. There’s a problem with this. If your rule is that people can dress however they want, how are you going to stop them from wearing no clothes at all in public?

    This is a serious question. I’ve read of silly political controversies (in SF, I think) because libertarians and Leftists are simply incapable of coming up with a justification for prohibiting public nudity. The best that they could come up with is a health argument, based on the idea that when a nude person sits on a public bench . . . um, how to put this? . . . there may be a transfer of fecal material from the bench-sitter’s nether regions onto the bench, which actually is a public health concern.

    The simple rule is that one should dress appropriately. It shows respect for yourself and respect for others. There are rare exceptions, like the silly exhibitionism at college football games.

    I think that everybody knows this. I think that people who do otherwise are playing an obnoxious, juvenile game.

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    • January 14, 2020, at 8:49 AM PST
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  24. Henry Racette Contributor
    Henry Racette

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Henry, I understand your position, but I don’t think that it’s conservative. I think that it is libertarian.

    Oh, don’t do that. I was a libertarian, once upon a time. But I got over it.

    Why would you find cross-dressing perfectly permissible? Well, because you’re a libertarian, at least on this issue. There’s a problem with this. If your rule is that people can dress however they want, how are you going to stop them from wearing no clothes at all in public?

    I’m aware of no American tradition of regulating attire, beyond basic decency standards. If I remember right, you’re a lawyer, and so you may know better than I about that, and I’ll accede to your greater knowledge if you’re aware of significant examples. But if I’m right and simple modesty — covering the necessary bits of male and female anatomy — is the only standard we’ve ever enforced, then I’ll claim that, yes, it is conservative to maintain that standard.

    And finally, my interest is always to persuade. Arguments against compelling people to profess belief in what they consider to be a fiction — for example, that “trans-women” are in fact women — are fairly easy to make from first principles. Similar compelling arguments for forcing men and women to comply with conventional expressions of masculinity and femininity are much more difficult to make.

    So, while you and I probably agree about the larger absurdity of the trans movement, we’ll differ about the individual’s freedom to dress as he or she pleases. I think our traditions are pretty clear in that regard.

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    • January 14, 2020, at 9:00 AM PST
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  25. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Aaron Miller (View Comment):
    This is a hill to die on.

    Though it seems like such a ridiculous issue, I think you’re absolutely right. This is important.

    Maybe but it is done, your side lost. Conform or be punished.

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    • January 14, 2020, at 9:16 AM PST
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  26. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge

    Clavius (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Aaron Miller (View Comment):
    This is a hill to die on.

    Though it seems like such a ridiculous issue, I think you’re absolutely right. This is important.

    Yes, it is about insisting that reality exists. Otherwise we become subject to the Ministry of Truth.

    Reality is what those with the power / guns say it is. That side is willing to do violence over this issue. The other side just wants peace and will thus conform.

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    • January 14, 2020, at 9:18 AM PST
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  27. Henry Racette Contributor
    Henry Racette

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Aaron Miller (View Comment):
    This is a hill to die on.

    Though it seems like such a ridiculous issue, I think you’re absolutely right. This is important.

    Maybe but it is done, your side lost. Conform or be punished.

    Yeah, and Kavanaugh will never make it to the Supreme Court.

    Sorry, I’m not ready to declare defeat just yet, my faux androgynous friend. And, honestly, I think you’re mistaken (again).

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    • January 14, 2020, at 9:20 AM PST
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  28. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Aaron Miller (View Comment):
    This is a hill to die on.

    Though it seems like such a ridiculous issue, I think you’re absolutely right. This is important.

    Maybe but it is done, your side lost. Conform or be punished.

    Yeah, and Kavanaugh will never make it to the Supreme Court.

    Sorry, I’m not ready to declare defeat just yet, my faux androgynous friend. And, honestly, I think you’re mistaken (again).

    Short term I am right. Long term your point will win. The Gods of the CopyBook Headings will eventually return and the Gods of the Market Place will flee.

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    • January 14, 2020, at 9:26 AM PST
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  29. Henry Racette Contributor
    Henry Racette

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Aaron Miller (View Comment):
    This is a hill to die on.

    Though it seems like such a ridiculous issue, I think you’re absolutely right. This is important.

    Maybe but it is done, your side lost. Conform or be punished.

    Yeah, and Kavanaugh will never make it to the Supreme Court.

    Sorry, I’m not ready to declare defeat just yet, my faux androgynous friend. And, honestly, I think you’re mistaken (again).

    Short term I am right. Long term your point will win. The Gods of the CopyBook Headings will eventually return and the Gods of the Market Place will flee.

    I’m not sure what all that means, but it seems to me that you can’t win in the long term unless you eventually win in the short term.

    Anyway, I think we are nearing an inflection point. On multiple fronts, I think conservativism is beginning to surge. I am an optimist and I may be projecting more of my own hopes into this than I should, but it does seem to me that normal people are increasingly impatient with the nonsense.

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    • January 14, 2020, at 9:59 AM PST
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  30. danok1 Member

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Aaron Miller (View Comment):
    This is a hill to die on.

    Though it seems like such a ridiculous issue, I think you’re absolutely right. This is important.

    Maybe but it is done, your side lost. Conform or be punished.

    Yeah, and Kavanaugh will never make it to the Supreme Court.

    Sorry, I’m not ready to declare defeat just yet, my faux androgynous friend. And, honestly, I think you’re mistaken (again).

    Short term I am right. Long term your point will win. The Gods of the CopyBook Headings will eventually return and the Gods of the Market Place will flee.

    I’m not sure what all that means, but it seems to me that you can’t win in the long term unless you eventually win in the short term.

    Anyway, I think we are nearing an inflection point. On multiple fronts, I think conservativism is beginning to surge. I am an optimist and I may be projecting more of my own hopes into this than I should, but it does seem to me that normal people are increasingly impatient with the nonsense.

    Kipling poem. @fakejohnjanegalt is referring to:

    AS I PASS through my incarnations in every age and race,
    I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
    Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.

    Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
    And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
    That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

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