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Iran shooting down a civilian airliner originating from Iran carrying Iranians is a tragedy but it isn’t the fault of the United States.

If a woman breaks up with her abusive boyfriend and he, distraught from the emotional heartache, drives drunk and kills a family driving, she bears no responsibility for the tragedy.

It may be true that if the woman stayed with her abusive boyfriend the crash wouldn’t have happened but the cause of the crash is the drunk-driving boyfriend, not the girlfriend who left him.

There is a tendency for people to trace causal chains, real or imagined, until they find a cause they want to blame.

The 2008 financial crisis would not have happened if :

  • Mortgagees paid their mortgages.
  • Banks didn’t lend to people with bad credit.
  • The government didn’t incentivize subprime lending.

Who you blame for the crisis depends on who you are. Democrats rightly blame banks for pursuing short-term profits over the long-term well-being of the market.

Republicans rightly blame government encouraging reckless lending from guaranteeing mortgage-backed securities and HUD regulations threatening lenders for perceived racial disparities in loaning.

Who is to blame? Everyone? No one? It’s complex. But what isn’t complex is Iran shooting down an airliner because of their incompetence.

The start of all causation is God creating the universe; that doesn’t mean we can blame Him for all our shortcomings. Iran killed those people and it is their fault, not ours.

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There are 20 comments.

  1. MichaelKennedy Coolidge

    Trump is so fortunate in his enemies. The Democrats are now acting like defense lawyers for Iran.

    • #1
    • January 10, 2020, at 11:33 AM PST
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  2. DonG (skeptic) Coolidge

    Is this related to this:

     

    Democrat Pete Buttigieg Blasted For Blaming U.S. For Iran Shooting Passenger Plane

    Buttigieg responded to Garrett’s reporting, which was featured in a tweet from CBS News, by writing, “Innocent civilians are now dead because they were caught in the middle of an unnecessary and unwanted military tit for tat. My thoughts are with the families and loved ones of all 176 souls lost aboard this flight.”

     

     

    • #2
    • January 10, 2020, at 12:23 PM PST
    • 4 likes
  3. Hugh Member

    Ok. Good job.

    • #3
    • January 10, 2020, at 3:18 PM PST
    • 2 likes
  4. MichaelKennedy Coolidge

    I don’t think this Democrat ploy is going to help them. I also think they are incapable of learning from mistakes, as best I can tell.

    • #4
    • January 10, 2020, at 3:55 PM PST
    • 3 likes
  5. CarolJoy, Above Top Secret Coolidge

    From some of the Facebook posts I inadvertently read, it seems that Soleimani was a combination of Mother Teresa, Santa Claus, and The Dalai Lama. If only someone had gotten the word out to Trump, this poor innocent man’s life could have been spared, and he could continue to continue to improve life for humanity.

    If this meme continues, the Pope might be making the guy a saint.

    @michaelkennedy made two remarks in the above comments – both of which are stellar.

     

    • #5
    • January 10, 2020, at 5:27 PM PST
    • 5 likes
  6. Retail Lawyer Member

    How about those 40 Iranians stampeded in the funeral procession. Totally Trump’s fault! Surely they must be in Buttigeig’s thoughts as well.

    • #6
    • January 10, 2020, at 7:03 PM PST
    • 3 likes
  7. Zafar Member

    Bryce Carmony:

    If a woman breaks up with her abusive boyfriend and he, distraught from the emotional heartache, drives drunk and kills a family driving, than she bares no responsibility for the tragedy.

    Let me try:

    The woman is Iran, the boyfriend is America and the car crash is US entanglement in Afghanistan.

    or

    The woman is America, the boyfriend is Iran and the car crash is Iranian support for Hezbollah in Lebanon.

    or

    The woman is Cuba, the boyfriend is capitalism and the car crash is Bacardi being made in Puerto Rico.

    or

    The woman is India, the boyfriend is Britain and the car crash is Brexit.

    ??

    • #7
    • January 10, 2020, at 11:56 PM PST
    • 2 likes
  8. Bryce Carmony Coolidge
    Bryce Carmony

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Bryce Carmony:

    If a woman breaks up with her abusive boyfriend and he, distraught from the emotional heartache, drives drunk and kills a family driving, than she bares no responsibility for the tragedy.

    Let me try:

    The woman is Iran, the boyfriend is America and the car crash is US entanglement in Afghanistan.

    or

    The woman is America, the boyfriend is Iran and the car crash is Iranian support for Hezbollah in Lebanon.

    or

    The woman is Cuba, the boyfriend is capitalism and the car crash is Bacardi being made in Puerto Rico.

    or

    The woman is India, the boyfriend is Britain and the car crash is Brexit.

    ??

    I know you don’t like analogies or metaphors or anything complicated so I’d just sit this one out. If you want to blame the United States for Iran killing Iranians and Canadians that’s your choice I’m not interested in it.

    • #8
    • January 11, 2020, at 10:27 AM PST
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  9. Henry Racette Contributor

    Agreed. This was Iran’s mistake.

    Back in 1988, the United States made a similar mistake when we shot down an Iranian commercial airliner (Iran Air flight 655) by mistake. I remember how terrible I felt as I heard the news.

    The Iranian regime is responsible for an awful lot of death. I won’t hold an honest error against them. But the rest of it, the missiles into Israel, the IEDs, the global terror, the torture and inhumanity at home — that’s all theirs.

    I very much approve of what we did last week, and I’m glad we’re keeping the pressure on them.

    • #9
    • January 11, 2020, at 10:57 AM PST
    • 4 likes
  10. CarolJoy, Above Top Secret Coolidge

    Retail Lawyer (View Comment):

    How about those 40 Iranians stampeded in the funeral procession. Totally Trump’s fault! Surely they must be in Buttigeig’s thoughts as well.

    Also, the Lefties here in the USA, who’ re demanding every consideration for women all the time, have ignored the fact that many of the people in the funeral activities were forced to be there. This was true for any Iranians who had a spot in college or worked for major concerns or the government. And if women were there in the street, they had to wear their full head gear.

    What are these Left Wing people thinking? It is apparent they are not thinking.

    • #10
    • January 11, 2020, at 12:46 PM PST
    • 2 likes
  11. RightAngles Member

    They shoot down a planeful of innocent people by accident, but they want nuclear weapons. Okay. Sure.

    • #11
    • January 11, 2020, at 1:15 PM PST
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  12. MichaelKennedy Coolidge

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    They shoot down a planeful of innocent people by accident, but they want nuclear weapons. Okay. Sure.

    This is the lesson the left is ignoring. These are the people they want to have nuclear weapons. This level of competence.

    • #12
    • January 11, 2020, at 2:57 PM PST
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  13. Zafar Member

    MichaelKennedy (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    They shoot down a planeful of innocent people by accident, but they want nuclear weapons. Okay. Sure.

    This is the lesson the left is ignoring. These are the people they want to have nuclear weapons. This level of competence.

    I doubt it was deliberate, given the history of it, but if it was – theoretically – would Canadians be serving as functional proxies for America in this? Can you imagine the response in the US if American citizens had been killed?

    • #13
    • January 11, 2020, at 3:26 PM PST
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  14. J Ro Member

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Agreed. This was Iran’s mistake.

    Back in 1988, the United States made a similar mistake when we shot down an Iranian commercial airliner (Iran Air flight 655) by mistake. I remember how terrible I felt as I heard the news.

    Here, let me fix that:

    Back in 1988, the United States Iran made a similar mistake when they harassed ships and aircraft with IRG patrol boats and we shot down an Iranian commercial airliner (Iran Air flight 655) by mistake when it took off and flew into the danger zone they had purposely created.

    There you go.

    The Iranian regime is responsible for an awful lot of death.

    So true. They purged an estimated 30,000 political prisoners in the same month that 290 were killed in the Iran Air shoot down.

    • #14
    • January 11, 2020, at 9:55 PM PST
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  15. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge

    Why not suspect the Russians? It was their weapons that shot the airliner down.

    • #15
    • January 11, 2020, at 11:29 PM PST
    • 1 like
  16. I Walton Member

    I wonder if it was an accident. Different time, different missile, different direction, different objective. Show that they can hit what they want to hit, how dangerous and ruthless they are even if it means lots of Iranians die in the process.

    • #16
    • January 12, 2020, at 5:59 AM PST
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  17. RightAngles Member

    I Walton (View Comment):

    I wonder if it was an accident. Different time, different missile, different direction, different objective. Show that they can hit what they want to hit, how dangerous and ruthless they are even if it means lots of Iranians die in the process.

    I think it’s this. It looked like a message to me.

    • #17
    • January 12, 2020, at 7:55 AM PST
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  18. RightAngles Member

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Back in 1988, the United States made a similar mistake when we shot down an Iranian commercial airliner (Iran Air flight 655) by mistake. I remember how terrible I felt as I heard the news.

    Why on earth would you even bring this up right now. To get in an anti-US dig? The US is just as bad or something? An opportunity to say how terrible you felt? So did I and so did everyone.

    • #18
    • January 12, 2020, at 7:57 AM PST
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  19. The Reticulator Member

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Back in 1988, the United States made a similar mistake when we shot down an Iranian commercial airliner (Iran Air flight 655) by mistake. I remember how terrible I felt as I heard the news.

    Why on earth would you even bring this up right now. To get in an anti-US dig? The US is just as bad or something? An opportunity to say how terrible you felt? So did I and so did everyone.

    It’s good to have all possible context.

    • #19
    • January 12, 2020, at 9:45 AM PST
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  20. Bishop Wash, Blk X-man/Wh pilot Member

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Back in 1988, the United States made a similar mistake when we shot down an Iranian commercial airliner (Iran Air flight 655) by mistake. I remember how terrible I felt as I heard the news.

    Why on earth would you even bring this up right now. To get in an anti-US dig? The US is just as bad or something? An opportunity to say how terrible you felt? So did I and so did everyone.

    It’s good to have all possible context.

    It’s also interesting because when Trump used the symbolism of the 52 hostages, the Iranians came back with 290 for the passengers lost. This mistake tempers their ability to use that as a cudgel. I’m glad the Iranians admitted what they did because initially it looked as though they wouldn’t. 

    • #20
    • January 12, 2020, at 10:03 AM PST
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