Mike Lee and the Need for Discretion in Foreign Policy

 

Senator Mike Lee of Utah recently got hot over a Trump administration briefing that he saw as disrespectful. According to Lee, when pressed about what exactly the Trump administration needed congressional approval for, the administration responded by saying there were almost no limits. As to legal justification, the administration officials responded, “I’m sure we could think of something.” Well, Senator Lee was mad, as he should be. The power that Congress has ceded to the executive in matters of foreign policy has exceeded the time horizon envisioned in its initial approval of the war on terror. It’s well past time to reign the executive back in.

I’m afraid, however, that Senator Lee in his anger has made an unforced blunder with his bluster. When to speak is as important as what is said, particularly in matters of foreign policy. Right now, Trump is in the middle of a standoff which requires that any threat he makes, either real or implied, be credible. If the Senate or, even worse, a handful of senators even give a hint that they won’t follow through with retaliatory action, mixed messages are sent to Iran. Mixed messages lead to miscalculation, and miscalculation in foreign policy leads to bloodshed.

The Trump administration attempted to deescalate the rising problem of Iranian aggression with deterrent action. Mike Lee out of personal pique is threatening to throw this clear strategy into disarray. It’s past time for the Congress to take back the control afforded to it by the Constitution, but prudence dictates patience.

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  1. rgbact Inactive
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    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    Bottom line, outside of ending birthright citizenship( good luck) and lowering immigration levels(which even Trump has reversed on)…the GOP field wasn’t too disimilar and WAY right of the Democrats.

    I don’t know what a truecon is. It sounds like a disparaging remark which contains the word con — an instance of deceiving or tricking someone such as with a con artist.

    No, Its short for “true conservative”…..which is a take on “true Scotsman”…which is a reference to people that enforce purity on another group and anyone thats not 100% pure is trashed.

    Anyways, I’m not disagreeing that Rubio lost because of immigration. My point was that your ratings were faulty, because they were based on Trump’s views in a primary, where he supported views that don’t have any chance of becoming reality (in order to win primary votes), rather that stress ideas that are actually doable. But,you can decide if purity is the best approach for achieving anything on immigration.

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  2. Instugator Thatcher
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    Spin (View Comment):

    Instugator (View Comment):
    Reagan gave us amnesty.

    I hate this. The amnesty that you refer to was and is the defecto norm. Reagan didn’t give them to us; he went along with something that he probably shouldn’t have. But the legislature gave it to us.

    Instugator (View Comment):
    Bush elder gave us taxes.

    Same goes for this. Only congress can raise taxes. Would that Bush would have stood his ground on shutting the government down. But again, your ire is better directed at Congress.

    Only used in the context that President Trump had so far managed to avoid these traps and therefore deliver conservative results.

    As to Reagan, his outright amnesty was supposedly in exchange for improved border protection. President Trump seems to have learned that lesson.

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  3. Spin Inactive
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    Instugator (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    Instugator (View Comment):
    Reagan gave us amnesty.

    I hate this. The amnesty that you refer to was and is the defecto norm. Reagan didn’t give them to us; he went along with something that he probably shouldn’t have. But the legislature gave it to us.

    Instugator (View Comment):
    Bush elder gave us taxes.

    Same goes for this. Only congress can raise taxes. Would that Bush would have stood his ground on shutting the government down. But again, your ire is better directed at Congress.

    Only used in the context that President Trump had so far managed to avoid these traps and therefore deliver conservative results.

    As to Reagan, his outright amnesty was supposedly in exchange for improved border protection. President Trump seems to have learned that lesson.

    Agreed, but don’t say they gave us those things.  They didn’t.  Or at the very least, they are only partially responsible for them.  

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  4. Mark Camp Member
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    Spin (View Comment):

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    Mark Camp (View Comment):
    Our goal is to understand each others ideas

    I thought our goal was one-upmanship? Well, that’s mine anyhow. Consider yourself one-upped. 😂

    You’re one-upped, I declare no come-backs, Dome of Silence so I can’t hear you, and it’s made of unbreakable laser-proof plastic.

     

    But I invoke the UnBlock of Upmanship, which prevents all of your no-come-back defenses.

    You didn’t declare it was unblockable, so it’s ineffective.  Also I can’t hear you LA LA LAH LAH LA.

    [Sheesh. This guy is childish.]

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  5. The Reticulator Member
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    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):
    No I won’t vote for him. Trump doesn’t have what it takes to be President. He shoots himself in the foot constantly. I won’t vote for a Democrat either, but I will vote for Republicans down ticket. Please spare me the binary argument. Given two bad choices I will pick “none of the above”.

    Reminds me of 2000 and 2004 when I was NeverBush. I had to put up with that nonsense about my (non)choice being a vote for the Democrat, even though I could use math to prove that it wasn’t.  So I’m inclined to cut a little slack for some of the NeverTrumpers.  

    But one of the good things about Trump is that he kept another Bush out of the White House.  Talk about your basic unfit-for-office. Trump saved us from it. 

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  6. Randy Webster Inactive
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    But one of the good things about Trump is that he kept another Bush out of the White House. Talk about your basic unfit-for-office. Trump saved us from it. 

    I don’t care if Jeb! was the greatest thing since sliced bread.  I’m against dynasties.

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  7. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
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    Spin (View Comment):

    Instugator (View Comment):
    Reagan gave us amnesty.

    I hate this. The amnesty that you refer to was and is the defecto norm. Reagan didn’t give them to us; he went along with something that he probably shouldn’t have. But the legislature gave it to us.

    Instugator (View Comment):
    Bush elder gave us taxes.

    Same goes for this. Only congress can raise taxes. Would that Bush would have stood his ground on shutting the government down. But again, your ire is better directed at Congress.

    It’s like Dennis Miller’s phrase about comparing Harry Truman to modern presidents who essentially proclaim that “…the buck never got here.”  If Bush thought more taxes were really important and wanted to take responsible for his tax pledge, he shouldn’t have run for re-election.

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  8. Instugator Thatcher
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    Vice-Potentate (View Comment):
    Haven’t had time. I’ll get around to it when I get a sec.

    Now for a source on the ground. From the US Sun:

    There were multiple missiles fired and the impact hit several areas along the airfield, revealed Colonel Myles Caggins.

    He added the explosions created large craters, knocked over concrete barriers and destroyed facilities which house dozens of soldiers.

    One of the missiles hit near an airstrip where six drones were parked but caused no damage.

    Although no soldiers were killed, he said several were treated for concussions in the wake of the attack.

    Caggins added that troops received notification the missiles were on their way thanks to early warning systems, and troops were moved out of harm’s way.

    Emphasis added. It seems my earlier comments on the process were correct.

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  9. Vice-Potentate Inactive
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    Instugator (View Comment):

    Vice-Potentate (View Comment):
    Haven’t had time. I’ll get around to it when I get a sec.

    Now for a source on the ground. From the US Sun:

    There were multiple missiles fired and the impact hit several areas along the airfield, revealed Colonel Myles Caggins.

    He added the explosions created large craters, knocked over concrete barriers and destroyed facilities which house dozens of soldiers.

    One of the missiles hit near an airstrip where six drones were parked but caused no damage.

    Although no soldiers were killed, he said several were treated for concussions in the wake of the attack.

    Caggins added that troops received notification the missiles were on their way thanks to early warning systems, and troops were moved out of harm’s way.

    Emphasis added. It seems my earlier comments on the process were correct.

    Yeah, I’m still not sure. They didn’t know it was coming significantly beforehand.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/01/11/middleeast/iran-strike-al-asad-air-base-exclusive-intl/index.html

    Looks like they didn’t know exactly what was coming, but were tipped off. I’m not saying early warning systems weren’t important, because they clearly were. I’m saying it was a confluence of Intel and technology.

    I had a chance to read that PDF. It’s tremendously interesting. Someone (you) should write a summary of the relevant bits. 

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  10. Instugator Thatcher
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    Vice-Potentate (View Comment):
    They didn’t know it was coming significantly beforehand.

    That is what I had said, they knew when the missiles launched due to early warning (SBIRS, radar) and triggered appropriate notifications (think air-raid sirens). This occurs within a time span measured in minutes, not hours.

    When we look at these things, we tend to break between what we call “Strategic warning” and “Tactical warning”.

    Most of the definitions we use for Strategic warning boils down to just about anything that is relatively specific and is outside of tactical warning.

    We tend to define “Tactical warning” as the time interval between launch detection and projected impact of a warhead to include projected impact location.

     

     

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