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Yes, indeed. And that’s why I like reading narrative history. If historians wants to get all theoretical, that’s OK, too, as long as they tell us who did what, when, where, etc.
Welcome back, btw. I had wondered where you were. I didn’t wonder about it every day, but around the New Year it occurred to me that we hadn’t heard from you in quite some time.
Thanks. It certainly wasn’t planned, and I missed Ricochet, but the little things definitely do add up, in history and everyday life. I’m excited to get back into the swing of things.
Sorry to hear that, and hope it’s not one of those open-ended medical mysteries.
My immediate ancestors had that suspicion of Catholicism ex-Catholics often have, and though tempted to rebel against it, I never did, or not completely, though even the smells and bells of high-church Reformed denominations remained suspect to my (oddly, half-Lutheran) parents. (I run the Smells & Bells group here at Ricochet, and you’re welcome to join! — though I also have reasons right now to be away from Ricochet for long stretches.)
The American Right is so used to equating religion with family values I think we need more stories involving tension between family life and personal piety. (That is, after all, the reality that many who get serious about their faith must learn to live with.) They don’t all have to be hopeful stories, either, though I’m glad yours is!
Thanks, KW. I enjoyed your bit of family history, and it is very nice to see you back.
Yes.
Well told bit of family conflict, and a happy ending.
I am glad you are on break until the 18th: maybe we will have other stories you’d like to share?
Good to see you back.
Despite being a Lutheran and generally opposed to papism, I’ve only ever met priests who were first class human beings. There might be a touch of selection bias; I know them mostly through a catholic sister-in-law, who really ought to be valued above rubies herself.
Good to see you back.
We’re glad to have you back. No worries about life interruptions. Happen to us all.
Good stuff.
I grew up in the First Church of the DNC and could have easily been converted at one point to Catholicism through a combination of Father O’Malley (Bing Crosby) and John Paul II. Then the ascension of the German and South American Socialist made me glad it didn’t happen.
If you hadn’t I would’ve.
Thanks for sharing your journey. Those of us who have made conversion journeys as adults encounter our own recalcitrant relatives along the way. There are stories I could tell of when my youngest daughter was baptized into the Orthodox Church some months ago, but perhaps it is best not to at this time.
I grew up Catholic and my father grew up Catholic. My mother was devout, Dad was cynical to the extreme. “How was Mass, same show?” I can still remember him saying.
In those days it was in Latin, and I just told my daughter ( around your age) how, as a six year-old kid I thought everyone in church was mumbling, so I also mumbled. Huminahuminahumina.
Et cum Spiritu 2-2-0
In retrospect, I wasn’t the only one who didn’t know what he was saying.
Anyway, not so much a Catholic anymore, but just came back from a very Catholic wedding. Sat, stood and knelt through the mass/wedding sacrament. Hadn’t been for 40 some years. At the reception I learned the couple met through a Catholic dating service and almost everyone there was a devout Catholic. One couple at my table had 8 children, another ten.
What’s the age range, I asked.
18-34.
Sounds like a demographic.
She laughed.
They were absolutely the nicest people. So I have to think there’s something to it despite my cynicism.
Have you seen this film?
Nope (or not entirely); a mild cold that developed into almost pneumonia, finally having to start a prescription for migraines (which was for the better in the long term), and frequent inexplicable bloody noses. I definitely will! You’re certainly right, and its something I’ve become much more conscious of since immigrating from quite Catholic MA to England, which still has deep suspicions about Catholicism in some quarters.
That completely slipped my mind when I wrote it, but I do love the Keynes vs. Hayek rap battles. I have to do shadow boxing a couple times a week as part of Muay Thai practice, and 90% of the time I put on one of those to do it to. It looks as ridiculous as it sounds.
Thank you. I have had the luck of traveling a bit around Europe since the last time I posted, so I am going to try to gather my thoughts and write a bit more this and/or next week.
From Norman Davies’ history of Poland, God’s Playground,
Thanks. I think a lot of his prejudice came from having almost no interactions with Catholic priests up until the time he met my mom, and then when she did talk about them at home, probably hearing as many complaints as compliments. He still considers being dragged to Catholic mass (twice a year) a form of torture, though, and can’t stand the constant up down. .
Thanks. Ah, I admit to…dissatisfaction with the current leadership, although I was and am overwhelmingly fond of the former Joseph Ratzinger (Benedict XVI). There are quite a few very impressive cardinals still of papable age, though, so hopefully the next Pope will be more in line with those admirable examples.
My mom grew up with the same, and absolutely hates it (she’s a bigger complainer than my dad when it comes to visiting the monastery for a Latin service). I think those jokes might be universal among dads with Catholic kids who aren’t quite devout, because I’ve almost certainly heard some variant on it. I have! A close university friend and I have a movie night about twice a month, and that was one of the first we watched (she is Taiwanese, so it was very interesting to see her perspective on Eastwood’s characters relationship with his Hmong neighbors).
As a former alter boy, I actually know what that means. But that’s pretty close to the extent of my latin.
What do you mean? This was a beautiful story! You made my Catholic heart gush!
And God bless your father.
I’m pretty devout and conservative Catholic, but I hate to say it but the Latin Mass leaves me cold. I know some of my fellow Catholics in the Catholic Group here on Ricochet will argue with me on this, but Mass as originally intended was supposed to be in the vernacular.
I loved it!
Which is what Latin once was.
Exactly! And Greek and Aramaic.
Haha, I think you and my doctor have come to the same diagnosis. They seem (minus some disorientation and nausea), mostly harmless, but they are much more gruesome than the average bloody nose and have lead to some interesting situations. The first time I visited the UK, when I was looking at two potential universities, I was staying at a monastery guesthouse instead of in a normal hotel room, and it just so happened, for no particular reason, to have a sink that looked to have been installed in 1910. By the third day of my visit, I was pretty sure that I would escape bloody nose free, so of course I had a not too bad one on the bus ride that day and it started again the minute I walked into my room. The problem was that it did not abate for the next hour and 45 minutes, during which I desperately called everyone but my parents for ideas on how to make it stop. It wouldn’t, until there was so much dried blood that the flow was physically impeded, and I ended up staying up until 3 in the morning reading Longmire novels on my phone so that I wouldn’t accidentally choke to death in my sleep. When I awoke the next morning, I realized that my room looked like it had been rented by Jack the Ripper. I managed to make it presentable with a pilfered roll of toilet paper, the rusty sink water, and a lot of bio disinfectant bought from the Sainsbury’s down the street.
A few weeks after I came to England for university, I found a bookshop that was meant to specialize in old books and art books and was quite near (maybe a mile and a half) from where I lived. I was just crouching outside to look at the £1 books when the tell tale blood spatter appeared on the ground. The kindly shop assistant brought me some paper towels, but the owner, who was a bit older, seemed to be ignoring me altogether, I figured because he didn’t appreciate people bleeding in his shop, until he turned around and yelled “bloody f****** hell!” He offered me tea, an ice pack, and a “ride home in my van”, which I turned down because if he didn’t murder me, my parents would for taking a ride in a van with a strange man in a foreign city. I’m still “that girl who had the horrid bloody nose” there (as well as the one who spends too much on Tom Stoppard books). The constant mess really gives one a new appreciation for serial killers.
A pickup band I was associated with used to play Christmas music for Mass on Christmas. Father Stosh used to minister to us godless Protestants and Jews. He’d pop in with a flask of Christmas cheer.
“Stosh, what’s with the cognac?”
“Always keep some on hand. For medicinal purposes. Snakebite.”
“Snakebite, Father? In Northern Illinois? In December?”
“Always be prepared, my son.”