Campus Culture Complexities

 

I’m no longer a community college student; as of the fall semester, I am now a student at a state university. I’m loving the coursework; I am doing undergrad classes to try to get into Speech-Language Pathology grad school.

How do I feel about the culture at the school? Well, it’s complicated.

I had braced myself for some nastiness and extreme leftism within the campus culture and was pleasantly surprised to see that this wasn’t necessarily the case, but the school doesn’t have comfortable relationship with multiple viewpoints and free speech, either. It’s a left-leaning public institution in a left-leaning city in a right-leaning state, with some trends toward both libertarianism (we love our right to do crazy stuff!) and centerism (we love our public land!)

So the university, a blue island in a red sea, is kind of a weird place.

A walk through empty buildings would give you the impression that the place was quite left-leaning. The trite posters in the student center, the electric-bus charger by the bus stop, and of course, the school newspaper. I’ve picked up the bi-weekly (?) school paper twice only to regret it both times. There are no conservative voices in there, whatsoever. The last one I picked up included a few articles I would describe as “griping.” Nearly anything put into print onto campus looks left-leaning on its face.

And yet add people to campus, and suddenly it transforms.

One morning, I was offered free coffee by Christian Ministry X.

The next, I met up with an old friend at a barbecue hosted by Christian Ministry Y.

I attend Christian ministry Z, along with many friends of mine. Except for L, who attends Christian Ministry A. And a classmate of mine leads Christian Ministry B.

The only sign of all these ministries you would see near the campus is the house owned by Campus Ministry C, across the street. I count at least six active Christian ministries, most of different denominations or philosophies, but very present and active on campus. If you’re being offered free food, chances are it’s one of the Christain ministries.

Maybe it’s my bias, but I don’t see a lot of other student groups that appear as active. My Christian group has an organized activity at least three days a week, four if you count the transit they provide to the church they’re affiliated with, five if you count the informal student-led study. The other campus group I’m in meets once a month, has a volunteer opportunity once every few weeks, and sends out intermittent emails. To be fair, the second group is a very different sort of group and has less interest in cultivating social connections between its members.

The Gideons set up on campus a few months back. I said hi and refused their bible, telling them I already had a few. Nobody mentioned that they were there.

Planned Parenthood set up in the student center two different days and I passed them silently. The handful of times I walked past their table, I only saw one person talking with them. Nobody mentioned that they were there.

A seemingly left-leaning organization was registering people to vote. When I re-registered at my new address, I was told of an election coming up with “important stuff like affordable housing” on the ballot. I smiled and nodded and didn’t tell them about how Economics 101 last year quickly and easily debunked rent control.

My college town was supposed to have a climate strike back in September. I never saw a hint of it, even though I think parts of it were supposed to be on campus. One professor in a lecture hall, who was perpetually joking about the low percentage of students that actually attended his class, said something like “I hope all the missing people are out striking for the climate.” It was half a joke, and when political situations came up in assignments, I never worried that my conservative perspective on things would lower my grade.

The potentially left-leaning event that I did notice was the diversity symposium. But although I didn’t attend, I learned that the main event was on a diversity-related situation in our state which is very serious, has little to no political debate surrounding it, and is generally a problem that needs to be solved. Other speeches included one of my professors discussing neurodiversity and a guy from the Christian group I attended talking about mental health. I’m sure there was some crazy stuff at the diversity event, but the events I heard about sounded like they were on productive topics.

My university paints itself as a progressive, forward-looking institution. Once you take stock of everything on campus, though, you realize nobody cares.

I wasn’t yet eighteen when Trump was elected; I didn’t have to vote for him. I didn’t like him. I thought he was preferable to Clinton, but I wasn’t happy with the way the Republican Party was going. I was a teenager, and later, in psychology class, I would recognize this as a moment where I questioned my identity, stepped away from what had been given by my parents (The general label of “Republican”) and sought my own identity. I eventually found my political footing again via listening to Ben Shapiro’s podcast and found myself agreeing with his “Sometimes-Trump” approach. But until then, I was politically adrift and apathetic. It was nice while it lasted, not caring.

I wonder if that’s what’s going on at my school. There are some lefties putting up posters and writing the newspaper. There are probably fellow conservatives like myself. But maybe a lot of people care little for politics, whether that be a natural apathy or feeling adrift from what should be their party. This is only a theory, and I need to do more observation to really see if it holds. But the political silence is real. It’s not much different from my right-leaning hometown: as long as I avoid the CNN TV in the student center, don’t read the bulletin boards or listen to my own podcast downloads, I can avoid politics for weeks at a time. (The difference in my hometown is the “I luv guns” sweatshirts and MAGA hats you see about Costco.)

Instead, people do what they really care about. They do what they came to do: Take classes in their major, get degrees and certificates, and graduate as theoretically more hireable individuals. They do what they have to do: Do homework and work part-time jobs so they can keep working toward what they came to do. They do what they enjoy: They find community in classes and clubs and churches, and there seems to be a lot of churches.

Some people in my church group lean further left than I expected, which I found only when presenting them Babylon Bee headlines. The Christian Ministries are not political, from what I can tell. They are religious.

Maybe this is unique to my campus, or rural/red states, or maybe this is a trend among young people: The last time I was at Ross, there were three different brands of T-shirts with Bible verses on them.

The university wears a mask of political correctness and progressivism. Take that off, though, and you find a group of normal young people, perhaps with a few more tattoos per capita than average, and a disturbing tendency to use drugs, but besides that, startlingly normal. And with a surprising interest in Christianity.

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  1. Rodin Member
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    @dill, this is an important contribution to our understanding of campus culture. We see stories frequently about bizarre progressive campus action. A report like this helps to add balance. 

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  2. Al French, poor excuse for a p… Moderator
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    Encouraging report. It would be nice for us grumpy old white guys* to hear more from you.

    *A somewhat inaccurate description of the Ricochetti bandied about elsewhere on the site.

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  3. Dill Inactive
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    @dill, this is an important contribution to our understanding of campus culture. We see stories frequently about bizarre progressive campus action. A report like this helps to add balance.

    On one hand, some campuses seem to be the breeding ground of speech suppression and extremism. On the other hand, the stories about this all seem to be about the squeakiest wheels on the craziest campuses, giving people a much worse impression of universities than what actually goes on.

    I wonder if such reporting actually breeds more crazy things. “Oh, look, they protested (insert speaker) here, so we should too!” kinds of situations that tend to escalate. Or people feel like they’re not good progressives if they don’t protest because the good progressives at the last university protested that speaker, and now everybody knows and it’s all over the internet. I also think the “Ben Shapiro DESTROYS protesters who DARE interrupt him” videos can make either side look bad, depending on the perspective from which you view it. 

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  4. Dill Inactive
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    Al French, poor excuse for a p… (View Comment):

    Encouraging report. It would be nice for us grumpy old white guys* to hear more from you.

    *A somewhat inaccurate description of the Ricochetti bandied about elsewhere on the site.

    Thanks. Writing more is a New Year’s Resolution of mine. And even though the culture is politically neutral, college gives me plenty of writing fodder.

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  5. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
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    I remember reading a science fiction book many years ago-I think it was the Martian Chronicles- in which the Martians invaded earth, but the problem was no one on earth noticed or cared.  And thus the Martians were defeated by indifference.

    I had a dear friend tell me in all seriousness that she thought the United States was on the verge of civil war and would not survive because our political differences were so intense.  I argued that it might be in her circles but if you went out and interacted with fellow Americans in many different venues, apathy was likely the majority opinion.  Your post seems to confirm that beneath a noisy few, most of us just get on with our lives.

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  6. Hoyacon Member
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    Thanks for this.  It’s nice to read some encouraging stuff.

    Especially after I came across this from Rod Dreher:

    Now a recent report from the Pew Research Center has found that 40 percent of the millennial generation — roughly, those between 20 and 40 years old — are religiously unaffiliated. What’s more, extensive research by sociologist Christian Smith at the University of Notre Dame shows that the overwhelming majority of millennials who identify as Christian have little understanding of the religion’s teachings. They are far more driven by individualism and consumerism than by doctrine. Indeed, owing to the failure of their churches and their families to catechize them, most millennials don’t know what doctrine is, or why it matters.

    From Spectator USA.

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  7. Full Size Tabby Member
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    Dill (View Comment):

    Al French, poor excuse for a p… (View Comment):

    Encouraging report. It would be nice for us grumpy old white guys* to hear more from you.

    *A somewhat inaccurate description of the Ricochetti bandied about elsewhere on the site.

    Thanks. Writing more is a New Year’s Resolution of mine. And even though the culture is politically neutral, college gives me plenty of writing fodder.

    Please do. You have an eager audience here.

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  8. OldDanRhody, 7152 Maple Dr. Member
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    Dill: The potentially left-leaning event that I did notice was the diversity symposium. But although I didn’t attend, I learned that the main event was on a diversity-related situation in our state which is very serious, has little to no political debate surrounding it, and is generally a problem which needs to be solved.

    Thanks for an interesting and illuminating post.  
    I gather from the highlighted phrase above that you are referring to a specific situation – perhaps specific to your state or region.  Could you tell us a little more about it?

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  9. PHCheese Inactive
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     What happened to the beer and the gratuitous sex that was over flowing when I went to college?

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  10. Jon1979 Inactive
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    People who gravitate towards politics — and the power which comes from politics — are going to be the ones obsessing about their goal on-campus, as well as attempting to make their group of like-minded souls look larger than they are to other students and to the administration. 

    The same situation happened in the late 1960s and early 70s, when the radicals of that era were made to seem as though they represented more of the student body than they did, and the officials on many campuses (but few than today) decided appeasing them was better than challenging their disruptions, in part because many of those same officials were sympathetic at least in part to the causes those disruptions were based on. Since there are more campuses willing to tolerate this type of behavior today, you get more of this activity, which will likely continue if and until the activity becomes a financial drain on the university (i.e. — the students who just want to get an education and/or their parents decide they can do it better elsewhere and find a different college to attend).

    If the choice comes down to enabling campus activism or insolvency, the latter will eventually lose out, because even sympathetic administrators want to keep their jobs.

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  11. Linguaphile Member
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    Thank you for this encouraging snapshot from the “front lines”!

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  12. The Reticulator Member
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    Linguaphile (View Comment):

    Thank you for this encouraging snapshot from the “front lines”!

    It strikes me as a realistic snapshot, for which I too am grateful. But I do not find it encouraging. 

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  13. Juliana Member
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    I was disappointed to see that you designated this ‘members only’ as this would be a great topic and perspective for the Main Feed.

    Please keep writing. We can all get stuck in our little bubble and it is important to hear from those with real-life experiences in situations where we rarely find ourselves.

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  14. Linguaphile Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Linguaphile (View Comment):

    Thank you for this encouraging snapshot from the “front lines”!

    It strikes me as a realistic snapshot, for which I too am grateful. But I do not find it encouraging.

    Encouraging in the sense that the political correctness does not seem to dominate the campus as media seems to indicate.

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  15. Dill Inactive
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Thanks for this. It’s nice to read some encouraging stuff.

    Especially after I came across this from Rod Dreher:

    Now a recent report from the Pew Research Center has found that 40 percent of the millennial generation — roughly, those between 20 and 40 years old — are religiously unaffiliated. What’s more, extensive research by sociologist Christian Smith at the University of Notre Dame shows that the overwhelming majority of millennials who identify as Christian have little understanding of the religion’s teachings. They are far more driven by individualism and consumerism than by doctrine. Indeed, owing to the failure of their churches and their families to catechize them, most millennials don’t know what doctrine is, or why it matters.

    From Spectator USA.

    Yeah, that’s concerning. The 40 percent unaffiliated aren’t necessarily too worrisome 

    (https://babylonbee.com/news/study-finds-fewer-people-pretending-to-be-christian

    But the lack of doctrine is. Maybe the college ministries’ popularity is because they are teaching doctrine? Or maybe people just go because they think church is just what they’re supposed to do/their source of community? I don’t know if kids in my state are perhaps on the more religious side of things or if they are doing a lot of Christian ministries for some other reason. 

     

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  16. Dill Inactive
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    OldDanRhody, 7152 Maple Dr. (View Comment):

    Dill: The potentially left-leaning event that I did notice was the diversity symposium. But although I didn’t attend, I learned that the main event was on a diversity-related situation in our state which is very serious, has little to no political debate surrounding it, and is generally a problem which needs to be solved.

    Thanks for an interesting and illuminating post.
    I gather from the highlighted phrase above that you are referring to a specific situation – perhaps specific to your state or region. Could you tell us a little more about it?

    Yeah. It’s Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women. Big issue that I think highlights some other big issues. 

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  17. Dill Inactive
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    PHCheese (View Comment):

    What happened to the beer and the gratuitous sex that was over flowing when I went to college?

    Probably still there. Not in my circles, and I wouldn’t know where to find it, but probably still there. 

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  18. Dill Inactive
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    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    People who gravitate towards politics — and the power which comes from politics — are going to be the ones obsessing about their goal on-campus, as well as attempting to make their group of like-minded souls look larger than they are to other students and to the administration.

    The same situation happened in the late 1960s and early 70s, when the radicals of that era were made to seem as though they represented more of the student body than they did, and the officials on many campuses (but few than today) decided appeasing them was better than challenging their disruptions, in part because many of those same officials were sympathetic at least in part to the causes those disruptions were based on. Since there are more campuses willing to tolerate this type of behavior today, you get more of this activity, which will likely continue if and until the activity becomes a financial drain on the university (i.e. — the students who just want to get an education and/or their parents decide they can do it better elsewhere and find a different college to attend).

    If the choice comes down to enabling campus activism or insolvency, the latter will eventually lose out, because even sympathetic administrators want to keep their jobs.

    Yeah, I do wonder if the other shoe is going to drop one of these days. If it does, will the numerous conservative students and faculty speak out? There’s certainly enough of us, this being a red state. Maybe the potential conservative backlash is what’s keeping some of this at bay. 

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  19. Dill Inactive
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Linguaphile (View Comment):

    Thank you for this encouraging snapshot from the “front lines”!

    It strikes me as a realistic snapshot, for which I too am grateful. But I do not find it encouraging.

    What do you find discouraging? 

     

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  20. Dill Inactive
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    Juliana (View Comment):

    I was disappointed to see that you designated this ‘members only’ as this would be a great topic and perspective for the Main Feed.

    Please keep writing. We can all get stuck in our little bubble and it is important to hear from those with real-life experiences in situations where we rarely find ourselves.

    Between you and @sawatdeeka, I guess I will do one quick edit and then uncheck that box. :)

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  21. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Dill (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    People who gravitate towards politics — and the power which comes from politics — are going to be the ones obsessing about their goal on-campus, as well as attempting to make their group of like-minded souls look larger than they are to other students and to the administration.

    The same situation happened in the late 1960s and early 70s, when the radicals of that era were made to seem as though they represented more of the student body than they did, and the officials on many campuses (but few than today) decided appeasing them was better than challenging their disruptions, in part because many of those same officials were sympathetic at least in part to the causes those disruptions were based on. Since there are more campuses willing to tolerate this type of behavior today, you get more of this activity, which will likely continue if and until the activity becomes a financial drain on the university (i.e. — the students who just want to get an education and/or their parents decide they can do it better elsewhere and find a different college to attend).

    If the choice comes down to enabling campus activism or insolvency, the latter will eventually lose out, because even sympathetic administrators want to keep their jobs.

    Yeah, I do wonder if the other shoe is going to drop one of these days. If it does, will the numerous conservative students and faculty speak out? There’s certainly enough of us, this being a red state. Maybe the potential conservative backlash is what’s keeping some of this at bay.

    By the late 70s, the hardcore activism just faded away, in that students didn’t openly revolt against the antics of the left. The activists of the previous 10-12 years were left to complain that the current students were too busy trying to get degrees and make money after graduation. Which may end up being what happens here — not really a revolt, but where the new students just stop paying attention to the radicals.

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  22. The Reticulator Member
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    Dill (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Linguaphile (View Comment):

    Thank you for this encouraging snapshot from the “front lines”!

    It strikes me as a realistic snapshot, for which I too am grateful. But I do not find it encouraging.

    What do you find discouraging?

     

    Nothing. It sounds ordinary, like the way it has been for years and years. Encouraging would be hearing that a conservative faculty member was hired in Sociology or Anthropology.  Well, maybe that’s asking too much.    

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  23. Dill Inactive
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Dill (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Linguaphile (View Comment):

    Thank you for this encouraging snapshot from the “front lines”!

    It strikes me as a realistic snapshot, for which I too am grateful. But I do not find it encouraging.

    What do you find discouraging?

     

    Nothing. It sounds ordinary, like the way it has been for years and years. Encouraging would be hearing that a conservative faculty member was hired in Sociology or Anthropology. Well, maybe that’s asking too much.

    Gotcha.  This suggests the media is way overblowing some of what goes on on campuses. 

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  24. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    Dill (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Dill (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Linguaphile (View Comment):

    Thank you for this encouraging snapshot from the “front lines”!

    It strikes me as a realistic snapshot, for which I too am grateful. But I do not find it encouraging.

    What do you find discouraging?

     

    Nothing. It sounds ordinary, like the way it has been for years and years. Encouraging would be hearing that a conservative faculty member was hired in Sociology or Anthropology. Well, maybe that’s asking too much.

    Gotcha. This suggests the media is way overblowing some of what goes on on campuses.

    It could also simply be the characteristics of a state college in red states; left-leaning, but more concerned about winning converts than with repressing the heathens.  Oh, the lack of an active interests in politics by a majority of students is also probably the norm elsewhere, but the Leftist feel free to let their freak flag fly in many places, and the normies are conditioned to view actively conservative students with suspicion.

     

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  25. Mark Camp Member
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    So you’re good. You’ll get a card in the mail in 10 to 21 days. Don’t be a stranger.  Buy Stad a beer.  Watch out for Barfly.  Would you like to join the Membership Committee?

    *Grumpy old men consider all grumpy old men to be created equal.  Some of y’all li’l gals, too.  If you call me a grumpy old white man, then my boys say we’re all white.  Call us black or brown or yellow, then we are all that color, too.  You have a problem with that, let’s take it outside.  We all have canes, even the Ladies Auxiliary of the Grumpy Old Men, who also have Concealed Carry Licenses for knitting needles. Canes cause painful contusions. Needles lacerate the descending aorta and the major organs, causing massive internal bleeding.

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  26. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Dill: and a disturbing tendency to use drugs, but besides that, startlingly normal. And with a surprising interest in Christianity.

    Those two are connected. I was talking to a Randian atheist and he admitted as much as he disliked religion and Christianity in particular, he knew too many drug abusers that managed to quit because of Christ to dismiss religion entirely. 

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  27. Henry Castaigne Member
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    PHCheese (View Comment):

    What happened to the beer and the gratuitous sex that was over flowing when I went to college?

    Rape charges that did away with the presumption of innocence.

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  28. Locke On Member
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    Dill (View Comment):

    OldDanRhody, 7152 Maple Dr. (View Comment):

    Dill: The potentially left-leaning event that I did notice was the diversity symposium. But although I didn’t attend, I learned that the main event was on a diversity-related situation in our state which is very serious, has little to no political debate surrounding it, and is generally a problem which needs to be solved.

    Thanks for an interesting and illuminating post.
    I gather from the highlighted phrase above that you are referring to a specific situation – perhaps specific to your state or region. Could you tell us a little more about it?

    Yeah. It’s Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women. Big issue that I think highlights some other big issues.

    Hmmm, I wonder if you are somewhere near me in Idaho.  That topic is in the air around here.  Inclined to be sympathetic, but I wonder 1) what are the actual numbers on this issue, I don’t see them cited anywhere and 2) why is it coming up now?  Color me cynical, but I’ve seen too many issues brought up specifically to be weaponized by the left to take one that pops up from seemingly nowhere at face value.  Willing to find out otherwise, however.

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  29. Dill Inactive
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    Locke On (View Comment):

    Dill (View Comment):

    OldDanRhody, 7152 Maple Dr. (View Comment):

    Dill: The potentially left-leaning event that I did notice was the diversity symposium. But although I didn’t attend, I learned that the main event was on a diversity-related situation in our state which is very serious, has little to no political debate surrounding it, and is generally a problem which needs to be solved.

    Thanks for an interesting and illuminating post.
    I gather from the highlighted phrase above that you are referring to a specific situation – perhaps specific to your state or region. Could you tell us a little more about it?

    Yeah. It’s Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women. Big issue that I think highlights some other big issues.

    Hmmm, I wonder if you are somewhere near me in Idaho. That topic is in the air around here. Inclined to be sympathetic, but I wonder 1) what are the actual numbers on this issue, I don’t see them cited anywhere and 2) why is it coming up now? Color me cynical, but I’ve seen too many issues brought up specifically to be weaponized by the left to take one that pops up from seemingly nowhere at face value. Willing to find out otherwise, however.

    I don’t know much about it, but from what I do know, I am inferring it is a real and big issue.

    1. Human trafficking in general is a big issue in the local area.
    2. There’s some negative stuff happening on reservations, and Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women seems to be part of that.
    3.  The way local, state, and federal governments work with reservations is confusing and complex, making me think that it might be difficult to properly investigate crimes.

    Not sure about numbers or why now is the time, but I figure that this has kind of always been an issue that is just now getting attention. Maybe there was a big case that got publicity and then caused people to take a closer look at the whole issue?

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  30. Kephalithos Member
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    Interesting.

    I’m a graduate student at a state university. How do my experiences compare to yours? Well, they’re similar in some ways, and different in others. As at your school, the radicals, though loud, are few in number. The administrators grovel before them, occasionally showering the student body with therapeutic happytalk and emails which might as well have been written by the Corporate B.S. Generator — but nobody reads them, because nobody cares. Christianity is a non-entity on campus, minus a few tight-knit bible studies and service clubs. Parties, football, basketball, concerts, movie nights — these are the things which coax the average undergraduate out of bed each morning.

    I find it difficult to divine what the majority of students think about politics — mostly because, as far as I can tell, they tend not to think. They’re quite willing to use the latest jargon when their professors expect it, but their actions (or non-actions, as the case may be) speak loudly enough. The prevailing attitude is not one of activism; it’s one of apathy.

    The modern American university’s greatest political problem, I think, isn’t activism per se, but rather the fact that activism has swallowed the scholarly side of college life — to such a degree that to be an intellectual, on most campuses, is to be a left-wing activist. Students are either utilitarians who can’t be bothered to read anything outside their majors, or they’re Sanders diehards who quote the Communist Manifesto with the confidence of an Evangelical naming bible verses. Few people fall between the two extremes. And that’s a tragedy.

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