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Yeah, I Know. I’m Not That Happy About It Either.
I was having breakfast with a friend this morning. He’d never heard of Kevin Clinesmith. “You never heard of Kevin Clinesmith?” … No. “The FBI lawyer in the Horowitz report?” … No. “The guy who doctored the email?” … No. I never heard anything about that.
My friend is not a dumb guy. He’s well educated. He has a professional degree. He listens to the news. He’d never heard of Kevin Clinesmith or anything about the FBI falsifying information for the FISA warrant on Carter Page.
If my friend never heard anything about Kevin Clinesmith or anything about the FISA warrant, then I’ll go out on a limb here and speculate that 99% of Americans are similarly unaware of the biggest political scandal in my lifetime: The FBI’s attempt to oust a duly elected president using lies and the extraordinary combined power of a rogue government agency allied with a complicit media.
Have you ever asked yourself why folks like Jerry Nadler and Adam Schiff can lie so egregiously and not pay any sort of political price for it? That’s why. America is either too stupid or too apathetic to care.
So there is only one way we’ll ever see any justice in this whole affair, and that is to re-elect Donald Trump.
I didn’t vote for Trump in 2016 and can think of a half dozen or so Republicans I’d rather see become president in 2020 other than Donald Trump. But it is looking less and less likely with every passing day that the villains who perpetrated this attempted coup against the president will ever answer for their crimes. Comey will walk. McCabe will walk. Page and Strzok will walk. Brennan and Clapper will walk. Schiff and Nadler will both get re-elected. Kevin Clinesmith might go to jail. He might go to jail. He might not.
If these folks had done this in China or the old Soviet Union, they would have been tortured for a month or two before being taken out and shot. In America, they’ll sue the government for unfair dismissal, and go home with back pay and punitive damages. They’ll go to work as consultants for CNN or MSNBC and end up on the NY Times Bestseller List for the books they’ll write on how they stood up for American values during the darkest days of the Trump regime.
Sadly, there is only one way for justice to win the day. That is for Donald Trump to win re-election in 2020. There is an element of cutting off our noses to spite our face in that revelation. I don’t really want another four years of Donald Trump and all the sturm und drang that will come with it. But if Donald Trump loses, we all lose. If Donald Trump loses, Justice loses. If Donald Trump loses, they win.
So, sign me up for the Trump train. I’m not sure I want to go where this train is headed, but I don’t like where any of the other trains are going, and I sure as hell don’t want to reward the station master for trying to sabotage the locomotive.
I’ve designed the above yard sign that I will distribute to all my like-minded friends.
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I’ll submit a third reason: the media doesn’t report on anything that would reflect badly on the Democrats.
I do. Sturm and Drang is what I voted for. The proverbial wrecking ball. The swamp-draining.
So mine would say “Trump 2020: I’m wildly enthusiastic about it this time.”
When one takes the position that all politicians suck, and in particular that all Presidents suck, then the fact of President Donald Trump inflicts way less psychic damage.
I like your sign.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
It was really hard for me to vote for Trump last time. Now, I can’t wait to go vote for his re-election.
To those of you expressing the sentiment that rather than being reluctant to vote for President Trump in 2020, you are eagerly looking forward to it, I say:
That is great news. I intend no disrespect.
But to those who may be considering a Trump vote in 2020, but have reservations, I say:
Please don’t let the bastards win.
Take one for the team and vote for Trump.
I’m on the Trump train with you. And not just because of impeachment. I was thinking last night…if asked to articulate why I was opposed to Trump and now a supporter of Trump, what would I say? So, you asked. Sort of, so I’ll say (in no particular order):
First, things just aren’t that bad. “That bad” being defined as “all the bad things I thought would happen because Trump became president. Indeed, outside of the kabuki theater that is DC and the cable news channels 24×7, things are pretty dang great. Now, that isn’t because Trump is President. It is because Hillary isn’t. Some will argue that point. But I think the market response to Trump is largely because of what Trump wasn’t going to do, as opposed to the things Hillbully was going to do.
Second, policy wise Trump has been fine. I figured him for a less articulate version of Bill Clinton. In some ways, yes, but generally he’s been right of center on issues of policy.
Third, judges. I need say no more (this maybe should be first, but I did say “in no particular order”.
Fourth, “He fights!” This is usually said to disparage Trump supporters, by non-Trump supporters on the right. I’ve said it myself. I read GWB’s Decision Points book right after he left office. I thought “Why the hell didn’t he say all this when he was President?” It’s chic these days to bad mouth Dubya, but I still like him. I was always frustrated that he didn’t defend himself from the vicious attacks from the media. Trump does. I’m reminded of that line in the Power Rangers movie when the bad guy says “It will be as if they never existed!!!” and his woman says “Finally…a REAL man!” Case in point is Trump’s letter to NancyBear. And he’s given Republicans cover to do the same. He’s shown that we can and should fling the poo back at them.
Finally, Russia-gate and Ukraine-gate. These are absolute nonsense issues that were intended to serve as caltrops for the administration and nothing more. It’s not Trump they are after. It is us. It is what we believe in. Remember Obama called us bittter-clingers. Al Gore called us brown shirts and “third-chromosome” types. They hate us.
So yeah, I’ve got my tickets for the Trump train. I don’t expect him to be perfect. I don’t take moral direction from him. But I’ll take four more years, no question. Plus, next year I’ll be voting in a purple state. So my vote will actually count for something.
Amen, brother! Preach it!
Well said.
The entirety of elected Democrats in this country are like a bunch of college deans–aging, gutless liberals who are easily rolled by young communist morons. Trump is all that stands between some semblance of constitutional government and the onset of fascist rule by Twitter Monkeys.
If you measure the magnitude of the Sturm and Drang based on the DOJ/FBI/IC manufactured Trump/Russia collusion narrative followed up by the faux Mueller investigation which, unbeknownst to the public, was quickly switcharooed into a frantic attempt to create an obstruction case against a collusion case which never was.
After two and half years of this MSM weirdness when the collusion/obstruction fable finally blew up, the quick and dirty slap dash Ukraine “this is really, really impeachable we promise” thing suddenly appeared out of nowhere allowing the (D)/MSM an Impeachment Television Show for their Lefty base which, unfortunately for the (D)/MSM, only their Lefty base actually cared to watch.
Throw in the insanity of the (D)/MSM behaviour in the Kavanaugh confirmation for good measure, and I believe it is safe to say the Sturm and Drang was, for all intents and purposes, a creation of the (D)/MSM/Lefty Culture Combine.
Yes indeed. I have the same reservations but if Donald Trump is not reelected in 2020 the greatest American political scandal of my lifetime, and perhaps ever, will disappear as if it never occurred. If there are no consequences from this, and there will not be if a Democrat is elected, it will only get worse.
I very, very reluctantly and, at the last moment decided to vote for Trump in 2016 but will do so unhesitatingly in 2020 and plan to contribute to his campaign.
Trump 2020. It matters.
I can’t believe I’m writing this but there it is.
My concern with Trump pre-2016 was that he would revert to the political instincts he had shown his entire adult life once he got into office and govern like a New York Democrat. He has proved me dazzlingly wrong and I could not be more pleased about that. I will be supporting him this time out.
I love everything you just said.
Yes to all that.
Good luck trying to motivate people with the “our guy is terrible, but the other side is worse” message. Its not easy to do and its a path to never ending dropping of all your standards. The Democrats tried this tact in 2016, and failed badly. I’m not interested.
So, enjoy another deficit busting spending deal and a North Korean missile for Christmas, and Trump’s Ukrainian fake investigations…and keep fighting the good fight against sloppy FBI warrants.
If that’s the message you got, then once again you’re not actually listening.
Let me summarize what was actually said above:
“Sloppy.”
I mean, they only ruined innocent people’s lives, but who cares about the politics of personal destruction when Trump is such a unique threat. So serious a threat the House isn’t even going to bother sending Impeachment to the Senate.
I voted for Trump before and I will do it again in 2020. I think the Supreme Court is the best reason to be grateful for Trump. But Trump has accomplished much more than I expected with job growth, real wage growth, improved economy and much more.
Romney/Weld 2020
“We don’t have a snowballs chance in hell of winning, but we have standards which we will change according to the polls”
I won’t disrespect anybody who refuses to vote for Trump based on his character or even his judgement. And I recognize the bankruptcy of the “our guy is terrible, but the other side is worse” strategy. But if you live in a swing state like Michigan or Wisconsin and your choice is Trump vs Bernie or Trump vs Warren, do you really repudiate Trump? Vote your conscience. You’ll get no grief from me.
The “sloppy” was a major comment shart to what had been working it’s way toward being a marginally effective comment.
Now he has to go shower and change clothes.
Before the primary I wrote several posts against Trump. I was a Cruze guy. I reluctantly voted for him in the general. I must admit that I would have jumped of a bridge before voting for HRC. No one is perfect but Trump has me now. I might jump off a bridge if I can’t vote for him.
More likely, it’ll be Trump vs. Biden. So, unless you think Biden will magically tank our precious Trumpian economy……I’d say Joe is a decent option. He’s old and gives us a chance to win back the House and rebuild for 2024 and send Trump away forever.
Count me with @drewinwisconsin … I happily voted for the wrecking ball in 2016, and I’m wildly enthusiastic about doing so again in 2020.
As to Clinesmith, Comey, Brennan, Clapper, McCabe, Strzok, Lynch et. al. … they will be known by all soon enough.
You might be right, but Biden faces significant hurdles getting the Democratic nomination. And even if he becomes the nominee, his performances in live venues show him to be much less formidable than his reputation. I honestly think Trump will chew him up in debates, just based upon the difference in vigor and Trump’s advantage in showmanship. Those may not be the criteria upon which I’d like to see a president chosen, but in today’s politics, those are the criteria that count.
There were no sloppy FBI warrants. They were very carefully and meticulously crafted.
Biden gives us a chance to finalize the corruption forever. If we win back the House after letting all of this Democrat criminality go unopposed, under those terms that win will be the biggest loss ever.
The problem won’t be Biden (or whichever one of the Democrats end up with the nomination). The problem is the people that staff the executive branch. It’ll be whacko lefties. Doesn’t make one bit of difference how “moderate” the top of the ticket is. You could put Reagan on top of the ticket, but if everyone he hires is from the Democrat pool, you might as well have elected Warren.
But, but, what if the Libertarian Party nominates a really great candidate in 2020?
[ Misthiocracy waits for laughter to die down … ]
As seen in Funny Political Memes as posted by @samuelblock …
Yes. Yes. Yes. He wasn’t my first, or even second or third choice for the nominee. But compared to voting for Hillary?? Not even one moment of hesitation.
It is ESSENTIAL that he is re-elected. If not, then all those criminals who have been exposed will just calmly go about their usual business. They might anyway…but at least the Chief Executive will be there trying to get some justice served.