Is Joe Biden Insane?

 

I don’t just mean an ordinary, obsessive-compulsive kind of thing. I mean detached from reality completely. He is scary.

 

Am I making too much of this one strange incident?

Just because he misspeaks on a regular basis, it isn’t the end of the world.

Gaffe: Joe Biden Claims He was Vice President in 1976

Former Vice President Joe Biden inaccurately stated on Thursday that the Obama-Biden administration was in office in 1976.

Biden, who has shown an inability to recollect dates and places to the chagrin of even his staunches allies, made the claim while discussing immigration during a stop on his “No Malarkey” bus tour of Iowa.

In particular, the 77-year-old Biden tried to create a contrast between President Donald Trump’s record on immigration and that of the Obama-Biden administration. To do so, the former vice president invoked the creation of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA), which granted legal protections to nearly 800,000 illegal migrants brought to the U.S. as children, and other signature Obama-era policies.

“There’s the Dreamers program, there’s also a program that said we’re not going to separate families, we’re going to allow families to stay together while they go through the process, and the court said you can’t,” Biden said, before adding, “We did that in 1976.”

Really, really scary.

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  1. Stad Coolidge
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    I think Harry’s Shave has found a new customer . . .

    • #61
  2. Django Member
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    RyanFalcone (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):For someone in the early stages of dementia, the experience can cause fear. …

    How many of these criteria can be used to describe Trump?

    Seriously, #2 and #9. Ten is a characteristic of all old farts whether we suffer from dementia or not.

    Now, would you support removing Biden via the 25th Amendment, assuming that he can be elected?

    My initial thought was the same but the more I thought about it, #2 may be a big stretch. Judging by his constant riffing and constant tweeting, he may not have a difficulty communicating at all. Sure he’s had his strange Covfefe moments but in light of the quantity that we have to choose from, he’s actually pretty strong in this and most of the other 10.

    I don’t do twitter, but if it’s anything like commenting here, one has time to re-read and correct. I don’t think his tweets prove anything either way. Well, maybe a kind of logorrhea. Funny thing is that even though he stumbles a bit when off the  teleprompter, he’s better than Obama was in that situation. 

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  3. DonG (skeptic) Coolidge
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    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    Michelle’s lazy. She doesn’t want it and she’s as not as good a liar as BHO was.

    I think she is smart and ambitious, but she knows things have to rest before the country is ready for more Obama.  2024?  2028??   It is hers for the taking, but right now, she has most of the perks without any of the hassle.  She has “enough money” and is treated like royalty at every cocktail party.  Life doesn’t get better than that.

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  4. Old Bathos Member
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    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    Michelle’s lazy. She doesn’t want it and she’s as not as good a liar as BHO was.

    I think she is smart and ambitious, but she knows things have to rest before the country is ready for more Obama. 2024? 2028?? It is hers for the taking, but right now, she has most of the perks without any of the hassle. She has “enough money” and is treated like royalty at every cocktail party. Life doesn’t get better than that.

    Her politics is offputting but she impressed me as someone too sane to want to get back into that fishbowl especially since she is now riding the gravy train.  Books deals and invitations to be on boards of directors everywhere.  Cha-ching, baby! Why limit that and re-enter (with her kids) a world of stress and hassle?  Don’t think so.

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  5. Kay of MT Inactive
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    MichaelKennedy (View Comment):
    I may try crossword puzzles

    I can still work the hard and challenger Sudoku puzzles, and finish them. Will be 82 first part of March. I feel as long as I can finish those puzzles correctly I’m hanging in there. I admit I can’t whizz through them as fast as I used to but still manage to finish them. I’ve always had problems with words because of my hearing problems, and age has not improved anything. I do forget words, have to use a dictionary.

    However, I have been on a new heart medication since July and it plays heck with my emotions.

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  6. Old Bathos Member
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  7. Old Bathos Member
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    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Ha, You are worried that Joe Biden is not fully right in the head but you support Trump? Have you heard him speak? Talk about double standards. If a mental degenerate like Trump is given a clean mental bill of health, I don’t see whats so much worse about Biden.

    Frankly I think instead of a presidential debate I’d love to see the two candidates take the Reading Comprehension portion of the SAT live before a studio audience. I’d be curious to see how they do. I suspect both would fail, by which I mean score below the median.

    Trump and Biden are both given to BS and are not, shall we say, particularly detail-oriented.  But I am at a loss to recall a public event in which candidate Trump or President Trump did anything remotely comparable to standing with a group of children talking about children stroking his leg hairs or to spontaneously sucking his wife’s fingers.  Trump also does not confuse years or entire decades of his record.

    Academic skill is not tightly correlated with sanity or character.  A lot of people with high SAT scores believe and espouse ridiculous and perverse things.  If Trump and Biden were put in a reading comp contest, the only issue would be which one would be first to tell the test administrator that the test is bogus and that said administrator is not smart or accomplished enough to pass judgment.

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  8. WillowSpring Member
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    I know that it is unethical for a Psychiatrist to publicly diagnose a patient that they have not diagnosed in person. 

    I am not sure if the same ethics applies to engineers/programmers.

    If I was responsible for the Biden/Pelosi series of humanoids, I would have them opened up and would aim my debugging at two facets of their behavior:

    1. They clearly have memory access issues which leads to an inability to bring up the correct word and then pronounce it correctly.
    2. Check for a loose circuit in the WTHAMITA (“What the Heck am I talking about”) module.  They both seem to start down a path, then the WTHAMITA module sparks and they are off on another topic.   When the supervisory module realized this is leading to problems (“leg hair”  how did I get here?) the problems with #1 make it hard to recover from the error.
    3. Finally, check the internal STFU module.  They seem to go on and on when they should just be quiet.

     

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  9. EODmom Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    My greatest concern about Biden is that it’s too easy to imagine him failing in the run-up to the convention. If he continues to lead, and clears the field of weaker but more durable candidates, but is exposed as too crazy and unstable and feeble as we get close to the Democratic convention, I fear a Michelle Obama entry. That might be completely crazy, I don’t know. But it’s too awful to contemplate.

     I fully expect Hillary to stick her nose in. She will have to be beaten off the stage. I expect it after all debates done. 

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  10. Saint Augustine Member
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    EODmom (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    My greatest concern about Biden is that it’s too easy to imagine him failing in the run-up to the convention. If he continues to lead, and clears the field of weaker but more durable candidates, but is exposed as too crazy and unstable and feeble as we get close to the Democratic convention, I fear a Michelle Obama entry. That might be completely crazy, I don’t know. But it’s too awful to contemplate.

    I fully expect Hillary to stick her nose in. She will have to be beaten off the stage. I expect it after all debates done.

    Oh, the covfefe!

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  11. EODmom Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    I fear a Michelle Obama entry. That might be completely crazy, I don’t know. But it’s too awful to contemplate.

    I actually fear a Michelle Obama presidency less than some of the others. Michelle Obama would do just as her husband did — spend her whole presidency partying and letting Congressional Democrats run the show. It would be bad, but only as bad as Barry’s Presidency was. (Which, admittedly, was the worst thing that ever happened to our nation.)

    Warren, on the other hand, would actively try to push her commie nonsense.

    I think there’s no way Michelle will run – she wants to be the next Oprah. With all the cash and admiration that goes with it. She honestly hated the eyeballs on by the secret service. Far more than others just didn’t like having all that company. Michelle even ore hostile to it than Hillary. Who was just rude and a pig to subordinates. 

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  12. EODmom Coolidge
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    Kay of MT (View Comment):

    MichaelKennedy (View Comment):
    I may try crossword puzzles

    I can still work the hard and challenger Sudoku puzzles, and finish them. Will be 82 first part of March. I feel as long as I can finish those puzzles correctly I’m hanging in there. I admit I can’t whizz through them as fast as I used to but still manage to finish them. I’ve always had problems with words because of my hearing problems, and age has not improved anything. I do forget words, have to use a dictionary.

    However, I have been on a new heart medication since July and it plays heck with my emotions.

    Keep yourself healthy aNd comfortable. Most people grossly underestimate the power and impact of the “maintenance” medications they take. Good for you paying attention. Read the “side effects” section of any new meds: you’ll be surprised how wide they can be Nd you might be one of the outliers. Keep safe. 

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  13. Kay of MT Inactive
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    EODmom (View Comment):

    However, I have been on a new heart medication since July and it plays heck with my emotions.

    Keep yourself healthy aNd comfortable. Most people grossly underestimate the power and impact of the “maintenance” medications they take. Good for you paying attention. Read the “side effects” section of any new meds: you’ll be surprised how wide they can be Nd you might be one of the outliers. Keep safe. 

    Thank you EODmom. I refuse to take any maintenance medications except the heart one, as I got tired of my heart trying to pound it’s way out of my backbone. I did/do read all the side effects and the problem is, to determine if it is the meds or my damaged vestibule nerve. They seem to be the same difference. The dizziness, wanting to sleep most of the time, lack of appetite, etc.

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  14. DonG (skeptic) Coolidge
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    WillowSpring (View Comment):

    I know that it is unethical for a Psychiatrist to publicly diagnose a patient that they have not diagnosed in person.

    I am not sure if the same ethics applies to engineers/programmers.

    If I was responsible for the Biden/Pelosi series of humanoids, I would have them opened up and would aim my debugging at two facets of their behavior:

    1. They clearly have memory access issues which leads to an inability to bring up the correct word and then pronounce it correctly.
    2. Check for a loose circuit in the WTHAMITA (“What the Heck am I talking about”) module. They both seem to start down a path, then the WTHAMITA module sparks and they are off on another topic. When the supervisory module realized this is leading to problems (“leg hair” how did I get here?) the problems with #1 make it hard to recover from the error.
    3. Finally, check the internal STFU module. They seem to go on and on when they should just be quiet.

    My diagnosis is a problem in the storage system.  I am seeing that at times large portions of the database are unavailable for read.  There are numerous retry attempts resulting in stalled processes.  Eventually, there is a reversion to older storage that has more robust availability, but less relevance, and the communication module can emit the result.

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  15. She Member
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    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

    WillowSpring (View Comment):

    I know that it is unethical for a Psychiatrist to publicly diagnose a patient that they have not diagnosed in person.

    I am not sure if the same ethics applies to engineers/programmers.

    If I was responsible for the Biden/Pelosi series of humanoids, I would have them opened up and would aim my debugging at two facets of their behavior:

    1. They clearly have memory access issues which leads to an inability to bring up the correct word and then pronounce it correctly.
    2. Check for a loose circuit in the WTHAMITA (“What the Heck am I talking about”) module. They both seem to start down a path, then the WTHAMITA module sparks and they are off on another topic. When the supervisory module realized this is leading to problems (“leg hair” how did I get here?) the problems with #1 make it hard to recover from the error.
    3. Finally, check the internal STFU module. They seem to go on and on when they should just be quiet.

     

    My diagnosis is a problem in the storage system. I am seeing that at times large portions of the database are unavailable for read. There are numerous retry attempts resulting in stalled processes. Eventually, there is a revision to older storage that has more robust availability, but less relevance, and the communication module can emit the result

    Yeah.  Also, the interrupt handlers probably aren’t working as efficiently as they used to either, which results in what I call the “perceived multitask fail” (because of course it never is, actually, multitasking.  It just looks like it might be, when it’s working really, really, fast and well).   I have to agree with @kayofmt that as one ages, the ability to spin dozens of plates, apparently at the same time, starts to drop off.  I used to be able to handle almost more than I could count.  Now, after five or six at once, one or two of them may crash to the floor (I’m 65).  And I’m OK with that, and I forgive myself for that.  Because I’m reasonably self-aware, and I know my limitations. In short, I’m pretty synchronized and in tune with myself.

    Uncle Joe’s software, OTOH, looks to me as if, every so often, it experiences  an execution error that leads to an unexpected interrupt (Insult the person!  Fat shame!  Challenge him to a duel! Discuss hairy legs!  Talk about how nice it is to have young strangers jumping into your lap!), at which point, all bets are off.

    Glory be.

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  17. Percival Thatcher
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    She (View Comment):

    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

    WillowSpring (View Comment):

    I know that it is unethical for a Psychiatrist to publicly diagnose a patient that they have not diagnosed in person.

    I am not sure if the same ethics applies to engineers/programmers.

    If I was responsible for the Biden/Pelosi series of humanoids, I would have them opened up and would aim my debugging at two facets of their behavior:

    1. They clearly have memory access issues which leads to an inability to bring up the correct word and then pronounce it correctly.
    2. Check for a loose circuit in the WTHAMITA (“What the Heck am I talking about”) module. They both seem to start down a path, then the WTHAMITA module sparks and they are off on another topic. When the supervisory module realized this is leading to problems (“leg hair” how did I get here?) the problems with #1 make it hard to recover from the error.
    3. Finally, check the internal STFU module. They seem to go on and on when they should just be quiet.

     

    My diagnosis is a problem in the storage system. I am seeing that at times large portions of the database are unavailable for read. There are numerous retry attempts resulting in stalled processes. Eventually, there is a revision to older storage that has more robust availability, but less relevance, and the communication module can emit the result

    Yeah. Also, the interrupt handlers probably aren’t working as efficiently as they used to either, which results in what I call the “perceived multitask fail” (because of course it never is, actually, multitasking. It just looks like it might be, when it’s working really, really, fast and well). I have to agree with @kayofmt that as one ages, the ability to spin dozens of plates, apparently at the same time, starts to drop off. I used to be able to handle almost more than I could count. Now, after five or six at once, one or two of them may crash to the floor (I’m 65). And I’m OK with that, and I forgive myself for that. Because I’m reasonably self-aware, and I know my limitations. In short, I’m pretty synchronized and in tune with myself.

    Uncle Joe’s software, OTOH, looks to me as if, every so often, it experiences an execution error that leads to an unexpected interrupt (Insult the person! Fat shame! Challenge him to a duel! Discuss hairy legs! Talk about how nice it is to have young strangers jumping into your lap!), at which point, all bets are off.

    Glory be.

    His stack is getting trashed. 

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  18. Skyler Coolidge
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    Insane?  No, he’s just a truly stupid man, who is now old and stupid.

    His entire career consisted of standing straight and tall, looking photogenic and saying words that other people told him to say.  He speaks confidently, which is easy when you’re truly stupid and don’t understand the world.  

    This is why it’s so easy to find things he says on one date that directly contradict what he says on another.  He never understood what he was saying before, and he doesn’t understand what he’s saying now.

    His stupidity is always most especially apparent now that he’s on his own and no one is telling him what he’s supposed to say.  

    The reason he gets so upset at any implication that he isn’t smart is because he knows he isn’t at all smart.  

    He is truly stupid, with an IQ that probably approaches 80, maybe less, and now that he’s getting older he can’t even fake it well.  

    Add in his recent facelift, and he really looks scary too.

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  19. Skyler Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    I fear a Michelle Obama entry. That might be completely crazy, I don’t know. But it’s too awful to contemplate.

    I actually fear a Michelle Obama presidency less than some of the others. Michelle Obama would do just as her husband did — spend her whole presidency partying and letting Congressional Democrats run the show. It would be bad, but only as bad as Barry’s Presidency was. (Which, admittedly, was the worst thing that ever happened to our nation.)

    Warren, on the other hand, would actively try to push her commie nonsense.

    You don’t think that’s what Obama did?

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  20. DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey Member
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    I fear a Michelle Obama entry. That might be completely crazy, I don’t know. But it’s too awful to contemplate.

    I actually fear a Michelle Obama presidency less than some of the others. Michelle Obama would do just as her husband did — spend her whole presidency partying and letting Congressional Democrats run the show. It would be bad, but only as bad as Barry’s Presidency was. (Which, admittedly, was the worst thing that ever happened to our nation.)

    Warren, on the other hand, would actively try to push her commie nonsense.

    You don’t think that’s what Obama did?

    I think if he wasn’t so fundamentally lazy, he would have done far more damage. I think when it came to policy, he let the people around him make the decisions and do the pushing. And that was bad enough. Especially because they were his people (i.e., commies) to start with. But I think mostly he was in the office for the perks, especially as the years wore on.

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  21. Skyler Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    I fear a Michelle Obama entry. That might be completely crazy, I don’t know. But it’s too awful to contemplate.

    I actually fear a Michelle Obama presidency less than some of the others. Michelle Obama would do just as her husband did — spend her whole presidency partying and letting Congressional Democrats run the show. It would be bad, but only as bad as Barry’s Presidency was. (Which, admittedly, was the worst thing that ever happened to our nation.)

    Warren, on the other hand, would actively try to push her commie nonsense.

    You don’t think that’s what Obama did?

    I think if he wasn’t so fundamentally lazy, he would have done far more damage. I think when it came to policy, he let the people around him make the decisions and do the pushing. And that was bad enough. Especially because they were his people (i.e., commies) to start with. But I think mostly he was in the office for the perks, especially as the years wore on.

    I’m not as charitable.  He appeared lazy about things he didn’t care about, such as the military, the budget, just about anything he was elected to do.  He wasn’t lazy about putting a machine in place.  Now the democrats appear, from my perspective, to have three main power bases:  The Kennedy machine, the Clinton machine, and the Chicago machine.  Obama has ramped up the power in the Chicago machine.  The California machine is still sucking hind tit.  Obama increased the corruption, which was his goal.  He increased the partisanship, which was his goal.  He increased racial tensions, which was his goal.  I don’t think he was lazy at all about any of that.  But I can definitely see your view, too.

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  22. EODmom Coolidge
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Insane? No, he’s just a truly stupid man, who is now old and stupid.

    His entire career consisted of standing straight and tall, looking photogenic and saying words that other people told him to say. He speaks confidently, which is easy when you’re truly stupid and don’t understand the world.

    This is why it’s so easy to find things he says on one date that directly contradict what he says on another. He never understood what he was saying before, and he doesn’t understand what he’s saying now.

    His stupidity is always most especially apparent now that he’s on his own and no one is telling him what he’s supposed to say.

    The reason he gets so upset at any implication that he isn’t smart is because he knows he isn’t at all smart.

    He is truly stupid, with an IQ that probably approaches 80, maybe less, and now that he’s getting older he can’t even fake it well.

    Add in his recent facelift, and he really looks scary too.

    People forget that Biden was the only one they could get who was willing to be Obama’s VP. Other established Dems either didn’t know O and knew what he was and did t want anything to do with him. Or, they didn’t know him and didn’t want to take the chance. Biden k de this was the best offer he’d ever get. Stupid, scary and mean nasty. And he’s the best they can do now?

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  23. Stad Coolidge
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    Bernie’s pretty scary too.  However, he was spouting out nonsense at a younger age when he was Mayor.

    • #83
  24. Stad Coolidge
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    EODmom (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    My greatest concern about Biden is that it’s too easy to imagine him failing in the run-up to the convention. If he continues to lead, and clears the field of weaker but more durable candidates, but is exposed as too crazy and unstable and feeble as we get close to the Democratic convention, I fear a Michelle Obama entry. That might be completely crazy, I don’t know. But it’s too awful to contemplate.

    I fully expect Hillary to stick her nose in. She will have to be beaten off the stage. I expect it after all debates done.

    This scares me, but you have a point.  She always gets that question, “Are you going to run?”  I can’t recall her ever coming up with a clear and simple “No.”

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  25. Skyler Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

    EODmom (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    My greatest concern about Biden is that it’s too easy to imagine him failing in the run-up to the convention. If he continues to lead, and clears the field of weaker but more durable candidates, but is exposed as too crazy and unstable and feeble as we get close to the Democratic convention, I fear a Michelle Obama entry. That might be completely crazy, I don’t know. But it’s too awful to contemplate.

    I fully expect Hillary to stick her nose in. She will have to be beaten off the stage. I expect it after all debates done.

    This scares me, but you have a point. She always gets that question, “Are you going to run?” I can’t recall her ever coming up with a clear and simple “No.”

    I think she has been waiting for impeachment.  If Trump is impeached, she may jump in, to announce her return to claim what she feels is rightfully hers.  

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  26. DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey Member
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    I think if he wasn’t so fundamentally lazy, he would have done far more damage. I think when it came to policy, he let the people around him make the decisions and do the pushing. And that was bad enough. Especially because they were his people (i.e., commies) to start with. But I think mostly he was in the office for the perks, especially as the years wore on.

    I’m not as charitable. He appeared lazy about things he didn’t care about, such as the military, the budget, just about anything he was elected to do. He wasn’t lazy about putting a machine in place. Now the democrats appear, from my perspective, to have three main power bases: The Kennedy machine, the Clinton machine, and the Chicago machine. Obama has ramped up the power in the Chicago machine. The California machine is still sucking hind tit. Obama increased the corruption, which was his goal. He increased the partisanship, which was his goal. He increased racial tensions, which was his goal. I don’t think he was lazy at all about any of that. But I can definitely see your view, too.

    Well, I think one of the reasons embedded bureaucrats in every agency are reacting so strongly (and insanely) to President Trump is that they had 8 or more years to run the country as they saw fit with little to no intereference from a President. (I mean, who does he think he is!?) And they think they should still be running the show. Along come a President who thinks they serve at his pleasure and it’s his right to appoint and/or fire whoever he wants, and actually set policy, and . . . why this just isn’t done! That last guy let us make all the decisions!

    So one of the (lesser) reasons we have so much TDS in Washington is because Obama set the stage for it by being an aloof and uninvolved leader.

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  27. I Walton Member
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    He’s always seemed a little scatter brained and unfocused but he’s always focused on nothing  broader than his own short term interest.  He’s a little senile but consistent with the Joe Biden we knew 30 years ago.   Now he seems to represent the  solid rational center.  Good lord. 

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  28. Stad Coolidge
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    EODmom (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    My greatest concern about Biden is that it’s too easy to imagine him failing in the run-up to the convention. If he continues to lead, and clears the field of weaker but more durable candidates, but is exposed as too crazy and unstable and feeble as we get close to the Democratic convention, I fear a Michelle Obama entry. That might be completely crazy, I don’t know. But it’s too awful to contemplate.

    I fully expect Hillary to stick her nose in. She will have to be beaten off the stage. I expect it after all debates done.

    This scares me, but you have a point. She always gets that question, “Are you going to run?” I can’t recall her ever coming up with a clear and simple “No.”

    I think she has been waiting for impeachment. If Trump is impeached, she may jump in, to announce her return to claim what she feels is rightfully hers.

    Oh, that sounds so plausible . . .

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  29. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    I think if he wasn’t so fundamentally lazy, he would have done far more damage. I think when it came to policy, he let the people around him make the decisions and do the pushing. And that was bad enough. Especially because they were his people (i.e., commies) to start with. But I think mostly he was in the office for the perks, especially as the years wore on.

    I’m not as charitable. He appeared lazy about things he didn’t care about, such as the military, the budget, just about anything he was elected to do. He wasn’t lazy about putting a machine in place. Now the democrats appear, from my perspective, to have three main power bases: The Kennedy machine, the Clinton machine, and the Chicago machine. Obama has ramped up the power in the Chicago machine. The California machine is still sucking hind tit. Obama increased the corruption, which was his goal. He increased the partisanship, which was his goal. He increased racial tensions, which was his goal. I don’t think he was lazy at all about any of that. But I can definitely see your view, too.

    Obama hated confrontation when he was in a position of not having all the power.  He was sold the idea after the 2006 midterm that he could run for president and essentially rule by fiat, since he would just say he wanted national health care, or card check, or something else, and Harry and Nancy would do the work, then give him all the credit so the fawning media to declare him even more of a demigod than before and start the cycle anew. And the other Dems were willing to do that because they saw Obama as giving them the ability to play the race card on anyone who disagreed with them.

    That’s why we ended up with executive orders later in Obama’s term — unlike Clinton when the GOP took control of Congress, Obama hated negotiating with the opposition when they gained power.

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    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):
    Well, I think one of the reasons embedded bureaucrats in every agency are reacting so strongly (and insanely) to President Trump is that they had 8 or more years to run the country as they saw fit with little to no intereference from a President.

    I heard an interview on CSPAN this morning with an author who has written a book extolling the people in the Department of State .  He basically felt that the career people kept the system going in spite of changes in the President  (i.e. deep State).  

    He expressed a worry that many of these career people were leaving due to Trump.

    My reaction? “That’s not a bug, that’s a Feature!”

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