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We tell our kids that the world is ending because of global warming and anything they do about it is insufficient. We teach them that their country is something to be ashamed of, not proud. We make sure that they have no heroes by describing anyone admirable in the worst possible way. We preach that if they are white or male they are to blame for most of society’s problems, and that their repentance will never be good enough. We denigrate or remove any masculine influence in their lives. We sneer at religious faith and teach that morality is relative. And we’re surprised when they shoot up a school?

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  1. I Walton Member

    Or just become Democrats. 

    • #1
    • November 15, 2019, at 9:38 AM PST
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  2. Suspira Member

    C.S. Lewis thought of it.

    “We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.” —C.S. Lewis

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    • November 15, 2019, at 9:38 AM PST
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  3. DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey Member

    Suspira (View Comment):

    C.S. Lewis thought of it.

    “We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.” —C.S. Lewis

    That quote instantly came to my mind, too.

     

    • #3
    • November 15, 2019, at 9:41 AM PST
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  4. DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey Member

    I Walton (View Comment):

    Or just become Democrats.

    I would say it’s stuff like that that ends up shoving them to the far right extremes. Since their accusers are largely Democrats, they aren’t going to move that direction. But too many on the right are writing off young men as well.

    Then the far right radical fringe comes along and promises to fill the void in their lives, and they’re sucked right in.

    As I mentioned in another thread, conservatives need to figure out how to reach these young men. “Subscribe to our newsletter and sign up for our cruise” isn’t doing it.

    • #4
    • November 15, 2019, at 9:45 AM PST
    • 14 likes
  5. Vance Richards Member

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):
    Then the far right radical fringe comes along and promises to fill the void in their lives, and they’re sucked right in.

    That is what leads boys to gangs as well. The only hope for boys is for men to start acting like men. If you can make a kid, you better be willing to raise them.

    • #5
    • November 15, 2019, at 9:57 AM PST
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  6. Misthiocracy grudgingly Member

    “Never has youth been exposed to such dangers of both perversion and arrest as in our own land and day. Increasing urban life with its temptations, prematurities, sedentary occupations, and passive stimuli just when an active life is most needed, early emancipation and a lessening sense for both duty and discipline, the haste to know and do all befitting man’s estate before its time, the mad rush for sudden wealth and the reckless fashions set by its gilded youth–all these lack some of the regulatives they still have in older lands with more conservative conditions.”

    – Granville Stanley Hall (1904)

    “The free access which many young people have to romances, novels, and plays has poisoned the mind and corrupted the morals of many a promising youth; and prevented others from improving their minds in useful knowledge. Parents take care to feed their children with wholesome diet; and yet how unconcerned about the provision for the mind, whether they are furnished with salutary food, or with trash, chaff, or poison?”

    – Reverend Enos Hitchcock (1790)

    “Whither are the manly vigor and athletic appearance of our forefathers flown? Can these be their legitimate heirs? Surely, no; a race of effeminate, self-admiring, emaciated fribbles can never have descended in a direct line from the heroes of Potiers and Agincourt.”

    – Valerie Steele (1771)

    “Youth were never more sawcie, yea never more savagely saucie . . . the ancient are scorned, the honourable are contemned, the magistrate is not dreaded.”

    – Thomas Barnes (1624)

    “Our sires’ age was worse than our grandsires’. We, their sons, are more worthless than they; so in our turn we shall give the world a progeny yet more corrupt.”

    – Horace (~20 BC)

    “The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”

    – Socrates, via Plato (~400 BC)

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    • November 15, 2019, at 10:21 AM PST
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  7. DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey Member

    Misthiocracy grudgingly (View Comment):

    I think you missed the point. There’s more going on here than just the standard criticism of the young, Misty.

    • #7
    • November 15, 2019, at 10:26 AM PST
    • 3 likes
  8. Misthiocracy grudgingly Member

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy grudgingly (View Comment):

    I think you missed the point. There’s more going on here than just the standard criticism of the young, Misty.

    I disagree.

    • #8
    • November 15, 2019, at 10:29 AM PST
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  9. Misthiocracy grudgingly Member

    Suspira (View Comment):

    C.S. Lewis thought of it.

    “We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.” —C.S. Lewis

    That quote is from The Abolition of Man, first delivered as a series of lectures in February 1943.

    It strikes me as a curious condemnation of the state of British manhood at the time, considering that British men were storming the beaches of Normandy only 16 months later.

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    • November 15, 2019, at 10:32 AM PST
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  10. DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey Member

    Misthiocracy grudgingly (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy grudgingly (View Comment):

    I think you missed the point. There’s more going on here than just the standard criticism of the young, Misty.

    I disagree.

    You’re free to do that. Just wanted to let you know you’re wrong.

    Read the OP again. This isn’t about the middle-aged complaining about idle youth. This is about one generation removing all hope from the men of a younger generation. Giving them nothing to live for. Providing them with no role models. Telling them that they are guilty by virtue of their race and sex, and they have no means of redemption. That’s a far cry from just complaining about the lazy youths.

    • #10
    • November 15, 2019, at 10:36 AM PST
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  11. Vectorman Thatcher

    Misthiocracy grudgingly (View Comment):

    “Never has youth been exposed to such dangers of both perversion and arrest as in our own land and day. Increasing urban life with its temptations, prematurities, sedentary occupations, and passive stimuli just when an active life is most needed, early emancipation and a lessening sense for both duty and discipline, the haste to know and do all befitting man’s estate before its time, the mad rush for sudden wealth and the reckless fashions set by its gilded youth–all these lack some of the regulatives they still have in older lands with more conservative conditions.”

    – Granville Stanley Hall (1904)

    “The free access which many young people have to romances, novels, and plays has poisoned the mind and corrupted the morals of many a promising youth; and prevented others from improving their minds in useful knowledge. Parents take care to feed their children with wholesome diet; and yet how unconcerned about the provision for the mind, whether they are furnished with salutary food, or with trash, chaff, or poison?”

    – Reverend Enos Hitchcock (1790)

    “Whither are the manly vigor and athletic appearance of our forefathers flown? Can these be their legitimate heirs? Surely, no; a race of effeminate, self-admiring, emaciated fribbles can never have descended in a direct line from the heroes of Potiers and Agincourt.”

    – Valerie Steele (1771)

    “Youth were never more sawcie, yea never more savagely saucie . . . the ancient are scorned, the honourable are contemned, the magistrate is not dreaded.”

    – Thomas Barnes (1624)

    “Our sires’ age was worse than our grandsires’. We, their sons, are more worthless than they; so in our turn we shall give the world a progeny yet more corrupt.”

    – Horace (~20 BC)

    “The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”

    – Socrates, via Plato (~400 BC)

    Thanks for all these quotes for the Quote of the Day.

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    • November 15, 2019, at 11:20 AM PST
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  12. Douglas Pratt Member
    Douglas Pratt Post author

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy grudgingly (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy grudgingly (View Comment):

    I think you missed the point. There’s more going on here than just the standard criticism of the young, Misty.

    I disagree.

    You’re free to do that. Just wanted to let you know you’re wrong.

    Read the OP again. This isn’t about the middle-aged complaining about idle youth. This is about one generation removing all hope from the men of a younger generation. Giving them nothing to live for. Providing them with no role models. Telling them that they are guilty by virtue of their race and sex, and they have no means of redemption. That’s a far cry from just complaining about the lazy youths.

    Thank you. That is exactly what I had in mind. I think that the apocalyptic attitude of the late 20th century (Rachel Carson, The Population Bomb, etc) has come to a crescendo that is profoundly damaging to our young people.

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    • November 15, 2019, at 11:30 AM PST
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  13. DonG (skeptic) Coolidge

    Douglas Pratt: We preach that if they are white or male they are to blame for most of society’s problems

    I think it is worse than that. The youth of today are told that race is their defining characteristic and that all groups are against each other. They are also taught that humans are a virus infesting Mother Earth. Look at the El Paso shooter. That nutter was an eco-terrorist that wanted a smaller population and that getting rid of immigrants was a logical starting point. 

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    • November 15, 2019, at 12:01 PM PST
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  14. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member

    Misthiocracy grudgingly (View Comment):

    “Never has youth been exposed to such dangers of both perversion and arrest as in our own land and day. Increasing urban life with its temptations, prematurities, sedentary occupations, and passive stimuli just when an active life is most needed, early emancipation and a lessening sense for both duty and discipline, the haste to know and do all befitting man’s estate before its time, the mad rush for sudden wealth and the reckless fashions set by its gilded youth–all these lack some of the regulatives they still have in older lands with more conservative conditions.”

    – Granville Stanley Hall (1904)

    Thankfully, this was in the middle of the Third Great Awakening, which reversed much of the bad trend.

    “The free access which many young people have to romances, novels, and plays has poisoned the mind and corrupted the morals of many a promising youth; and prevented others from improving their minds in useful knowledge. Parents take care to feed their children with wholesome diet; and yet how unconcerned about the provision for the mind, whether they are furnished with salutary food, or with trash, chaff, or poison?”

    – Reverend Enos Hitchcock (1790)

    “Whither are the manly vigor and athletic appearance of our forefathers flown? Can these be their legitimate heirs? Surely, no; a race of effeminate, self-admiring, emaciated fribbles can never have descended in a direct line from the heroes of Potiers and Agincourt.”

    – Valerie Steele (1771)

    These were right before the Second Great Awakening.

    “Youth were never more sawcie, yea never more savagely saucie . . . the ancient are scorned, the honourable are contemned, the magistrate is not dreaded.”

    – Thomas Barnes (1624)

    This one was right before the English Civil War. Thankfully, we eventually had the First Great Awakening.

    “Our sires’ age was worse than our grandsires’. We, their sons, are more worthless than they; so in our turn we shall give the world a progeny yet more corrupt.”

    – Horace (~20 BC)

    Yep, right around when Rome lost its Republic.

    “The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”

    – Socrates, via Plato (~400 BC)

    Again, right before Athens lost its democracy and was conquered by the Macedonians.

    The doomsayers are not always wrong, though sometimes they (or the Lord) may be effective in summoning people back to good morals.

     

    • #14
    • November 15, 2019, at 12:31 PM PST
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  15. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member

    More of a response to Misthiocracy: There is mounting empirical evidence of a substantial social breakdown. Marriage is down, illegitimacy is way up, and birthrates are down.

    But you can keep on fiddling, if you want.

    • #15
    • November 15, 2019, at 12:33 PM PST
    • 3 likes
  16. Susan Quinn Contributor

    Instead of stirring up enthusiasm to make this horrible world better, the Left has fed hopelessness and disappointment. And rather than feel that way, some kids drift to hating themselves and hating others. The only way out is through ending your life and taking others with you. It’s so tragic.

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    • November 15, 2019, at 12:43 PM PST
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  17. GrannyDude Member

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    More of a response to Misthiocracy: There is mounting empirical evidence of a substantial social breakdown. Marriage is down, illegitimacy is way up, and birthrates are down.

    But you can keep on fiddling, if you want.

    Well, not to mention suicide.

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    • November 15, 2019, at 3:43 PM PST
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  18. TBA Coolidge
    TBA

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy grudgingly (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy grudgingly (View Comment):

    I think you missed the point. There’s more going on here than just the standard criticism of the young, Misty.

    I disagree.

    You’re free to do that. Just wanted to let you know you’re wrong.

    Read the OP again. This isn’t about the middle-aged complaining about idle youth. This is about one generation removing all hope from the men of a younger generation. Giving them nothing to live for. Providing them with no role models. Telling them that they are guilty by virtue of their race and sex, and they have no means of redemption. That’s a far cry from just complaining about the lazy youths.

    “Sleep well. I’ll most likely kill you in the morning.”

    We laugh at this because it is part of his tale of how he regains hope and becomes the Black Pirate Roberts. 

    It is different though, to tell an entire generation that their planet is dying and that they will die too. 

    This is state-sponsored hysteria and it almost certainly contributes to mental illness in the young. 

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    • November 15, 2019, at 5:08 PM PST
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  19. Western Chauvinist Member

    TBA (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy grudgingly (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy grudgingly (View Comment):

    I think you missed the point. There’s more going on here than just the standard criticism of the young, Misty.

    I disagree.

    You’re free to do that. Just wanted to let you know you’re wrong.

    Read the OP again. This isn’t about the middle-aged complaining about idle youth. This is about one generation removing all hope from the men of a younger generation. Giving them nothing to live for. Providing them with no role models. Telling them that they are guilty by virtue of their race and sex, and they have no means of redemption. That’s a far cry from just complaining about the lazy youths.

    “Sleep well. I’ll most likely kill you in the morning.”

    We laugh at this because it is part of his tale of how he regains hope and becomes the Black Pirate Roberts.

    It is different though, to tell an entire generation that their planet is dying and that they will die too.

    This is state-sponsored hysteria and it almost certainly contributes to mental illness in the young.

    Dread Pirate Roberts.

    Oof, you’re going to have some major penance for that one.

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    • November 16, 2019, at 2:26 PM PST
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  20. Randy Weivoda Moderator

    I’m with @misthiocracy. For thousands of years people have been saying that we are living in the worst of times, and also the end times. No one has ever lived in a time with such bad values, except for in the past. Yes, white people are being told that they are an inferior race today. Was it better when black and Indian people were told that they were the inferior races? It’s not like society declaring that some races are better than others is a 21st century phenomenon.

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    • November 16, 2019, at 3:40 PM PST
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  21. Western Chauvinist Member

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    I’m with @misthiocracy. For thousands of years people have been saying that we are living in the worst of times, and also the end times. No one has ever lived in a time with such bad values, except for in the past. Yes, white people are being told that they are an inferior race today. Was it better when black and Indian people were told that they were the inferior races? It’s not like society declaring that some races are better than others is a 21st century phenomenon.

    Right, but mass killings by young, disaffected white Americans is new. I think disaffection and despair can be explained by the secular, materialist rectal view of America and its founding inculcated in our “schools” and mass media.

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    • November 16, 2019, at 4:12 PM PST
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  22. TBA Coolidge
    TBA

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy grudgingly (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy grudgingly (View Comment):

    I think you missed the point. There’s more going on here than just the standard criticism of the young, Misty.

    I disagree.

    You’re free to do that. Just wanted to let you know you’re wrong.

    Read the OP again. This isn’t about the middle-aged complaining about idle youth. This is about one generation removing all hope from the men of a younger generation. Giving them nothing to live for. Providing them with no role models. Telling them that they are guilty by virtue of their race and sex, and they have no means of redemption. That’s a far cry from just complaining about the lazy youths.

    “Sleep well. I’ll most likely kill you in the morning.”

    We laugh at this because it is part of his tale of how he regains hope and becomes the Black Pirate Roberts.

    It is different though, to tell an entire generation that their planet is dying and that they will die too.

    This is state-sponsored hysteria and it almost certainly contributes to mental illness in the young.

    Dread Pirate Roberts.

    Oof, you’re going to have some major penance for that one.

    They repossessed my nerd card and now I have to watch network tv for a month :(

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    • November 16, 2019, at 6:04 PM PST
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  23. Misthiocracy grudgingly Member

    First, while multiple-victim shootings in general are on the rise, that’s not the case in schools. There’s an average of about one a year — in a country with more than 100,000 schools.

    “There were more back in the ’90s than in recent years,” says Fox. “For example, in one school year — 1997-98 — there were four multiple-victim shootings in schools.”

    Second, the overall number of gunshot victims at schools is also down. According to Fox’s numbers, back in the 1992-93 school year, about 0.55 students per million were shot and killed; in 2014-15, that rate was closer to 0.15 per million.

    “The difference is the impression, the perception that people have,” Fox says — and he traces that to cable news and social media. “Today we have cell phone recordings of gunfire that play over and over and over again. So it’s that the impression is very different. That’s why people think things are a lot worse now, but the statistics say otherwise.”

    Source: https://www.npr.org/2018/03/15/593831564/the-disconnect-between-perceived-danger-in-u-s-schools-and-reality

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    • November 18, 2019, at 1:36 PM PST
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  24. Misthiocracy grudgingly Member

    Also:

    Source: https://news.northeastern.edu/2018/02/26/schools-are-still-one-of-the-safest-places-for-children-researcher-says/

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    • November 18, 2019, at 1:39 PM PST
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  25. Douglas Pratt Member
    Douglas Pratt Post author

    Misthiocracy grudgingly (View Comment):

    Also:

    Source: https://news.northeastern.edu/2018/02/26/schools-are-still-one-of-the-safest-places-for-children-researcher-says/

    And yet we are systematically terrifying the school kids with “active shooter drills.” That fear will generate a reliable pool of anti-gun votes in a few years.

     

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    • November 19, 2019, at 7:28 AM PST
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  26. Randy Weivoda Moderator

    Douglas Pratt (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy grudgingly (View Comment):

    Also:

    Source: https://news.northeastern.edu/2018/02/26/schools-are-still-one-of-the-safest-places-for-children-researcher-says/

    And yet we are systematically terrifying the school kids with “active shooter drills.” That fear will generate a reliable pool of anti-gun votes in a few years.

     

    That’s why we need to use facts to help people put these things into perspective. How many times have you heard people say something like, “When I was a kid we were allowed to run all over town by ourselves. You can’t do that these days because of all the kidnappers and child molesters.” The rate of kidnappings (which was never a realistic everyday fear) was substantially higher a generation or two ago. It’s just more publicized today, so people think there’s a kidnapper stalking every playground.

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    • November 19, 2019, at 8:13 AM PST
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  27. Vectorman Thatcher

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):
    The rate of kidnappings (which was never a realistic everyday fear) was substantially higher a generation or two ago. It’s just more publicized today, so people think there’s a kidnapper stalking every playground.

    Statistics on kidnapping:

    • How many kids are kidnapped by family members?
      A family abduction is the taking or concealing of a child under the age of 17 against the person’s legal rights. Family members abduct children in 1,230 of the total kidnapping cases.
    • How many kids are kidnapped by strangers?
      A stranger abduction, also known as a non-family abduction, is the result of a stranger taking or luring a child under the age of 17. Of the 1,435 kidnappings per year, 205 were non-family abductions.

    However:

    • How many children are reported missing each year?
      In 2016, 465,676 children were reported missing to the authorities. During the same year, there were a total of 647,435 missing people.
    • What percentage of reported missing children are not actually abducted?
      In almost 90% of the reported missing children cases, abduction is not the issue. It’s often due to miscommunication, getting lost, or children running away.

     

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    • November 19, 2019, at 8:39 AM PST
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  28. Randy Weivoda Moderator

    Vectorman (View Comment):
    What percentage of reported missing children are not actually abducted?
    In almost 90% of the reported missing children cases, abduction is not the issue. It’s often due to miscommunication, getting lost, or children running away.

    There’s an idea for a post. How many Ricochet members ran away from home when they were kids? Did they come back or stay away?

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    • November 19, 2019, at 10:40 AM PST
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