No, Everyone Doesn’t Need VPN Service

 

First, my bonafides: I currently work for a global manufacturing company, and am responsible for network and server infrastructure throughout North and South America. I’ve worked in IT for nearly 30 years.

So trust me when I tell you that, contrary to what Rob Long told you on the flagship podcast, you do not need a VPN. Let me tell you why:

First, what is a VPN? As Rob said, it stands for “Virtual Private Network.” A VPN is, essentially, a way to use the public internet to create private communication between two endpoints. In a corporation like mine, rather than spending a bunch of money on private data communication lines that no one else uses, we create a “tunnel” between two locations, generally using firewall appliances. These two devices are configured in a pair, to pass traffic back and forth based on a set of rules. For example, perhaps there is a server in St. Louis hosting an application that a user in an office in Lubbock needs access to. I can create this tunnel that makes the traffic between the user and the server seem as if they were both on the same private network. I want to be sure the traffic that passes between the two sites over a public connection (aka the Internet) is secure. So the tunnel encrypts and “protects” the traffic. We call this a “point to point” VPN because we control the egress at both ends. I can do the same thing by dropping a VPN client on the user’s laptop so they can go home and get access to that same server from their home Internet connection. It is functionally the same thing, but instead of two firewalls, we have a firewall in St. Louis (the same one that is used for the point to point, often), but we have software on the laptop that helps create the tunnel and routes traffic through it. We call this a client-based VPN, because we control egress on one end, and the client on the other.

Now, unless this is what you are doing, you don’t need a VPN. If you sign up for Acme VPN services, you are in effect acting like our users in Lubbock, while the good people at Acme are me, the IT guy. There are still two endpoints: your computer and Acme’s endpoint. Your data is encrypted all the way to Acme’s endpoint. Then it goes out over there public internet, unprotected (by a VPN tunnel). This is great if you are trying to obfuscate where you are coming from. For example, perhaps you want to watch videos on the Sky News F1 page (like I do). Sky News makes those videos free to people in the UK. But if you aren’t in the UK, you can’t watch them. So you might want to use Acme’s VPN software to dump you out on their UK endpoint (assuming they have one), thus making it seem like you are a person sitting in the UK browsing Sky’s F1 page.

But forget the notion that you are making yourself more secure by using a VPN service for regular browsing. You just aren’t. In one sense you are less secure because you are giving Acme complete control over the data that leaves your Internet egress point. Now that risk is pretty low if you are using a “name brand” VPN service. But it’s still a waste of time and money.

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  1. Mark Wilson Inactive
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    Spin (View Comment):

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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    Use of a less-than-customer-focused internet service provider. Like mine (Comcast). Such ISPs are known to monitor your traffic just like an open wifi and sell the traffic profiles to advertisers.

    That’s why I use a VPN — I assume my ISP is cooperating with some nefarious organizations, whether they are third party advertising, the NSA, or the GRU.

    What makes you think your VPN provider, and their ISP aren’t also in cooperation with these same nefarious organizations?

    Only that they tell me so in their terms of servive and it seems to be corroborated by third party reviews. Not air tight, but I believe it, and I know for sure Comcast is not trustworthy. 

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  2. Spin Inactive
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    Mark Wilson (View Comment):
    and I know for sure Comcast is not trustworthy. 

    I do a lot of business with Comcast and I beg to differ…but that’s ok.  Everyone hates their ISP.  

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  3. Kozak Member
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    Spin (View Comment):

    Chris (View Comment):

    Spin, is there any validity to the idea that a VPN is helpful/necessary when abroad, especially in “less than free” countries?

    Yes, great point. With a caveat: a lot of those same free countries don’t allow it. But if you have one and can use it with an end pout outside said less than free country, it does help a bit.

    I used a VPN router when I was in Saudi to

    A. avoid their ridiculous censorship ( couldn’t look up “breast cancer” as one example).  

    B.  disguise the fact I was in Saudi so I could use my Netflix, Apple TV, etc etc to keep from going stir crazy in the Land of No Fun or Entertainment ( short of the weekly beheadings).

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  4. MACHO GRANDE' (aka - Chris Cam… Coolidge
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    Spin (View Comment):

    Jeff Hawkins (View Comment):

    Since it’s on here. Just got a job where I can work from anywhere, so I plan to do some “working vacations”…what do you recommend re: solutions for mobile internet

    If I can’t get WiFi I’ll use the mobile hotspot on my Verizon phone. You can get MiFi devices, I think still…which is basically a cellular device that puts out a WiFi signal. But they are kind of going the way of pagers. Since WiFi is almost everywhere and phone hotspots are now (mostly) included on cellular plans.

    I have a jetpack that I almost never use – but it has been pretty handy in the past where you’re in spots with zero wifi.  Almost everywhere, you can get a cell phone signal, and you’re good to go.

    But yeah, if it’s on your phone – why not use that?

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  5. MACHO GRANDE' (aka - Chris Cam… Coolidge
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    Chris (View Comment):

    Spin, is there any validity to the idea that a VPN is helpful/necessary when abroad, especially in “less than free” countries?

    Yes, great point. With a caveat: a lot of those same free countries don’t allow it. But if you have one and can use it with an end pout outside said less than free country, it does help a bit.

    I used a VPN router when I was in Saudi to

    A. avoid their ridiculous censorship ( couldn’t look up “breast cancer” as one example).

    B. disguise the fact I was in Saudi so I could use my Netflix, Apple TV, etc etc to keep from going stir crazy in the Land of No Fun or Entertainment ( short of the weekly beheadings).

    The action really slowed down when they started beheading people on a bi-weekly cadence.  What fun is that?

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  6. Kozak Member
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    MACHO GRANDE' (aka – Chri… (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    Chris (View Comment):

    Spin, is there any validity to the idea that a VPN is helpful/necessary when abroad, especially in “less than free” countries?

    Yes, great point. With a caveat: a lot of those same free countries don’t allow it. But if you have one and can use it with an end pout outside said less than free country, it does help a bit.

    I used a VPN router when I was in Saudi to

    A. avoid their ridiculous censorship ( couldn’t look up “breast cancer” as one example).

    B. disguise the fact I was in Saudi so I could use my Netflix, Apple TV, etc etc to keep from going stir crazy in the Land of No Fun or Entertainment ( short of the weekly beheadings).

    The action really slowed down when they started beheading people on a bi-weekly cadence. What fun is that?

    They warn you if you are an Ex Pat in a large city with a beheading to avoid the central Mosque on Friday after evening prayer because the crowds like to push you to the front so you get a front row view.

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  7. Spin Inactive
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    MACHO GRANDE' (aka – Chri… (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    Jeff Hawkins (View Comment):

    Since it’s on here. Just got a job where I can work from anywhere, so I plan to do some “working vacations”…what do you recommend re: solutions for mobile internet

    If I can’t get WiFi I’ll use the mobile hotspot on my Verizon phone. You can get MiFi devices, I think still…which is basically a cellular device that puts out a WiFi signal. But they are kind of going the way of pagers. Since WiFi is almost everywhere and phone hotspots are now (mostly) included on cellular plans.

    I have a jetpack that I almost never use – but it has been pretty handy in the past where you’re in spots with zero wifi. Almost everywhere, you can get a cell phone signal, and you’re good to go.

    But yeah, if it’s on your phone – why not use that?

    If you use your phone to talk a lot, then it’s handier to have the mifi device.  I don’t talk on the phone, so using it for my hotspot is fine.  

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  8. Misthiocracy grudgingly Member
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    Spin (View Comment):

    Mark Wilson (View Comment):
    and I know for sure Comcast is not trustworthy.

    I do a lot of business with Comcast and I beg to differ…but that’s ok. Everyone hates their ISP.

    I have no problem with my ISP.  Of course, it’s not-for-profit and volunteer-run.

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  9. Spin Inactive
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    Misthiocracy grudgingly (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    Mark Wilson (View Comment):
    and I know for sure Comcast is not trustworthy.

    I do a lot of business with Comcast and I beg to differ…but that’s ok. Everyone hates their ISP.

    I have no problem with my ISP. Of course, it’s not-for-profit and volunteer-run.

    Socialist.

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  10. Mark Camp Member
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    Spin (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy grudgingly (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    Mark Wilson (View Comment):
    and I know for sure Comcast is not trustworthy.

    I do a lot of business with Comcast and I beg to differ…but that’s ok. Everyone hates their ISP.

    I have no problem with my ISP. Of course, it’s not-for-profit and volunteer-run.

    Socialist.

    When I need a smile, G_d delivers, sometimes through Ricochet.

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