Recommended by Ricochet Members Created with Sketch. Nikki Haley on Impeachment

 

“You’re going to impeach a president for asking for a favor that didn’t happen and — and giving money and it wasn’t withheld? I don’t know what you would impeach him on” — Nikki Haley to CBS anchor Norah O’Donnell

The impeachment inquiry is like “Seinfeld”; a show about nothing. Actually, “Seinfeld” was better – it was the original show about nothing, whereas this is the Democrat’s second show about nothing when it comes to Trump.

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  1. ctlaw Coolidge

    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo…: The impeachment inquiry is like Seinfeld; a show about nothing.

    I would call it a Rorschach impeachment. Whatever the Democrats see is an impeachable offense. If they think that X happened, that justifies Trump’s impeachment. If they then find out that not X happened, that instead justifies impeachment.

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    • November 10, 2019, at 7:36 AM PST
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  2. philo Member

    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo…: The impeachment inquiry is like Seinfeld; a show about nothing.

    Bizarro-impeachment.

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    • November 10, 2019, at 7:46 AM PST
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  3. philo Member

    ctlaw (View Comment): I would call it a Rorschach impeachment. Whatever the Democrats see is an impeachable offense.

    I would call it Hypnosis Impeachment. The Democrat masses (and their Stool Pigeons within our perimeter), being of the right mind to be responsive (i.e. totally submissive) to even the most ridiculous suggestions, see (or just parrot) exactly what the script writers weave into the selected data sets they leak into the public consciousness. They lack the skills and/or desire to think outside of that infantile comfort zone. 

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    • November 10, 2019, at 8:01 AM PST
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  4. DonG (skeptic) Coolidge

    ctlaw (View Comment):
    I would call it a Rorschach impeachment.

    I note that people that favor impeachment are mostly unable to articulate what specifically they find impeachable. Most of them are probably think that Trump should not be allowed to override foreign policy decisions or being involved in criminal investigations, which are two duties that define the office of president.

    In the future Disney should make a theme park called TDS-world where up is down and normal things are criminal and criminal things are normal.

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    • November 10, 2019, at 8:05 AM PST
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  5. KentForrester Coolidge

    I believe anything Nikki Haley says. If she says that what Trump did was not impeachable, I believe it’s not impeachable. 

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    • November 10, 2019, at 8:12 AM PST
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  6. OmegaPaladin Moderator

    Trump is being impeached for being a Republican. Expect every other Republican to be impeached.

    A democrat could eat babies on live TV while openly taking bribes from ISIS and keeping a harem of little kids, and the only democrats who would complain are his political rivals.

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    • November 10, 2019, at 10:45 AM PST
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  7. OkieSailor Member

    This ‘inquiry’ is nothing more than a mud slinging exercise where the mud has to be manufactured without any real dirt. That’s why the proceedings are secret. The public session will be used to highlight the parts they want us to see, the parts that support thier pre conceived conclusions. 

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    • November 10, 2019, at 12:48 PM PST
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  8. Stad Thatcher

    If Nikki Haley isn’t one of the top voices of sanity in the Republican Party, I don’t know who is.

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    • November 10, 2019, at 1:49 PM PST
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  9. Mark Camp Member

    DonG (View Comment):

    ctlaw (View Comment):
    I would call it a Rorschach impeachment.

    I note that people that favor impeachment are mostly unable to articulate what specifically they find impeachable. Most of them are probably think that Trump should not be allowed to override foreign policy decisions or being involved in criminal investigations, which are two duties that define the office of president.

    In the future Disney should make a theme park called TDS-world where up is down and normal things are criminal and criminal things are normal.

    Don, stop writing all this stuff that I agree with all of a sudden. You are messing with my mind.

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    • November 10, 2019, at 4:26 PM PST
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  10. rgbact Member

    So, attempted political extortion is A-Ok, so long as A) The extortee calls your bluff and B) you fold because you were bluffing. Well, of all the idiotic Trumpian defenses……this may be the least dishonest and pathetic. So, kudos to Nikki for that much. Although it probably won’t make Trumpers happy, since its not denial or deflection.

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    • November 10, 2019, at 4:28 PM PST
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  11. DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey Member

    This explains why the Nevers have turned against Nikki Haley over the last couple days.

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    • November 10, 2019, at 4:30 PM PST
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  12. DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey Member

    rgbact (View Comment):

    So, attempted political extortion is A-Ok, so long as A) The extortee calls your bluff and B) you fold because you were bluffing. Well, of all the idiotic Trumpian defenses……this may be the least dishonest and pathetic. Although it probably won’t make Trumpers happy, since its not denial or deflection.

    I see you have downloaded the new talking points. (Note: now they use the word “extortion” because “quid pro quo” wasn’t working as well as they’d hoped.)

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    • November 10, 2019, at 4:31 PM PST
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  13. rgbact Member

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    So, attempted political extortion is A-Ok, so long as A) The extortee calls your bluff and B) you fold because you were bluffing. Well, of all the idiotic Trumpian defenses……this may be the least dishonest and pathetic. Although it probably won’t make Trumpers happy, since its not denial or deflection.

    I see you have downloaded the new talking points. (Note: now they use the word “extortion” because “quid pro quo” wasn’t working as well as they’d hoped.)

    Yep. Media using “quid pro quo” always bugged me, since its not necessarily a bad thing. Its just a polite favor exchange. This otoh, was extortion.

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    • November 10, 2019, at 4:37 PM PST
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  14. DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey Member

    Also . . . this should be a huge bombshell.

    Washington Post: Nikki Haley says top Trump aides tried to recruit her to undermine President

    Former United Nations ambassador Nikki Haley divulged in her forthcoming memoir that former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and former White House chief of staff John Kelly attempted to recruit her to undermine President Donald Trump in an effort to “save the country,” according to The Washington Post.

    The two former Cabinet members sought Haley’s help in their endeavors to subvert the President but she refused, Haley wrote. The Washington Post obtained a copy of her book, titled “With All Due Respect,” ahead of its Tuesday release. CNN has not seen a copy of the memoir.

    “Kelly and Tillerson confided in me that when they resisted the President, they weren’t being insubordinate, they were trying to save the country,” Haley wrote.

    At one point, Haley wrote that Tillerson also told her people would die if Trump was unchecked. However, Haley said she supported most of Trump’s foreign policy decisions that others in the White House tried to block or slow down, according to the Post.

    Haley called Tillerson and Kelly’s attempt to subvert the President “offensive” in an interview that aired Sunday on “CBS Sunday Morning.”

    “It should have been, go tell the President what your differences are and quit if you don’t like what he’s doing,” she said. “To undermine a President is really a very dangerous thing. And it goes against the Constitution and it goes against what the American people want. It was offensive.”

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    • November 10, 2019, at 4:44 PM PST
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  15. DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey Member

    rgbact (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    So, attempted political extortion is A-Ok, so long as A) The extortee calls your bluff and B) you fold because you were bluffing. Well, of all the idiotic Trumpian defenses……this may be the least dishonest and pathetic. Although it probably won’t make Trumpers happy, since its not denial or deflection.

    I see you have downloaded the new talking points. (Note: now they use the word “extortion” because “quid pro quo” wasn’t working as well as they’d hoped.)

    Yep. Media using “quid pro quo” always bugged me, since its not necessarily a bad thing. Its just a polite favor exchange. This otoh, was extortion.

    No, it wasn’t. Stop the madness.

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    • November 10, 2019, at 4:46 PM PST
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  16. Susan Quinn Contributor

    Nobody seems to care that this kind of bartering is not uncommon. Why doesn’t it matter that others did it and no one cared??

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    • November 10, 2019, at 4:59 PM PST
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  17. DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey Member

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Nobody seems to care that this kind of bartering is not uncommon. Why doesn’t it matter that others did it and no one cared??

    Ummm . . . Orange Man Bad?

    The best I can figure out is that Trump is an outsider. He wasn’t part of the Beltway Club. They did not approve. He barged his way in and didn’t kiss the rings of the kingmakers.

    And Republicans aren’t supposed to actually achieve conservative policy wins. They’re supposed to pretend they want them, and then get the sads when Democrats block them. It’s all been failure theater for years.

    President Trump committed the Beltway sin of winning.

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    • November 10, 2019, at 5:07 PM PST
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  18. philo Member

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    So, attempted political extortion is A-Ok, so long as A) The extortee calls your bluff and B) you fold because you were bluffing. Well, of all the idiotic Trumpian defenses……this may be the least dishonest and pathetic. Although it probably won’t make Trumpers happy, since its not denial or deflection.

    I see you have downloaded the new talking points. (Note: now they use the word “extortion” because “quid pro quo” wasn’t working as well as they’d hoped.)

    Yep. Media using “quid pro quo” always bugged me, since its not necessarily a bad thing. Its just a polite favor exchange. This otoh, was extortion.

    No, it wasn’t. Stop the madness.

    Duty bound to stick to the talking points. 

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    • November 10, 2019, at 5:12 PM PST
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  19. Django Member

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Nobody seems to care that this kind of bartering is not uncommon. Why doesn’t it matter that others did it and no one cared??

    Ummm . . . Orange Man Bad?

    The best I can figure out is that Trump is an outsider. He wasn’t part of the Beltway Club. They did not approve. He barged his way in and didn’t kiss the rings of the kingmakers.

    And Republicans aren’t supposed to actually achieve conservative policy wins. They’re supposed to pretend they want them, and then get the sads when Democrats block them. It’s all been failure theater for years.

    President Trump committed the Beltway sin of winning.

    I can almost hear them saying, “Well, Hell boy, how can we run on these winning issues in the next election if we actually fix them this term?”

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    • November 10, 2019, at 5:18 PM PST
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  20. Bob Wainwright Member

    rgbact (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    So, attempted political extortion is A-Ok, so long as A) The extortee calls your bluff and B) you fold because you were bluffing. Well, of all the idiotic Trumpian defenses……this may be the least dishonest and pathetic. Although it probably won’t make Trumpers happy, since its not denial or deflection.

    I see you have downloaded the new talking points. (Note: now they use the word “extortion” because “quid pro quo” wasn’t working as well as they’d hoped.)

    Yep. Media using “quid pro quo” always bugged me, since its not necessarily a bad thing. Its just a polite favor exchange. This otoh, was extortion.

    What a desperate thing to say. You should look up the word extortion.

    This whole thing is boiling down to what someone thinks was subjectively in Trump’s head when he talked to the Ukrainian president. He’s literally being impeached not because of the outward act, which could have been motivated by any number of intentions, but because the Dems simply assume they know what that intention was. It’s as if someone shot an intruder who was trying to attack them, and all the elements of self defense are present, but then someone finds out that the person who shot the intruder knew the intruder and actually owed him tons of money or had other reasons to want him dead, so he’s prosecuted for murder even though self defense was also possible. The point is that it doesn’t matter what was in his mind if the elements of self defense are all present.

    But it’s even worse than that. Because even if they could read Trump’s mind and determined that all he was thinking about was getting dirt on a political opponent, it still wouldn’t be a crime. A president is entitled to use the powers of his office to enrich himself politically. Not personally or financially, but politically. Because “politically” means he’s doing it for his constituents, and for his view of what direction the country should take, not just himself. Presidents and politicians do this type of thing all the time.

    In fact, the Dems are doing it right now.

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    • November 10, 2019, at 6:01 PM PST
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  21. Manny Member

    It’s a complete farce. The Dems deserve to be decimated come next election. 

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    • November 10, 2019, at 6:05 PM PST
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  22. philo Member

    Manny (View Comment): The Dems deserve to be decimated come next election.

    Not harsh enough.

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    • November 10, 2019, at 6:52 PM PST
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  23. Samuel Block Member

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo…: The impeachment inquiry is like Seinfeld; a show about nothing.

    I would call it a Rorschach impeachment. Whatever the Democrats see is an impeachable offense. If they think that X happened, that justifies Trump’s impeachment. If they then find out that not X happened, that instead justifies impeachment.

    If not X happens, I fear all Hell will break loose.

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    • November 10, 2019, at 6:53 PM PST
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  24. Manny Member

    philo (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment): The Dems deserve to be decimated come next election.

    Not harsh enough.

    LOL, I didn’t mean decimated in the old Roman military sense. Though that wouldn’t be a bad idea either. ;)

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    • November 10, 2019, at 7:07 PM PST
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  25. Clifford A. Brown Contributor

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    And Republicans aren’t supposed to actually achieve conservative policy wins. They’re supposed to pretend they want them, and then get the sads when Democrats block them. It’s all been failure theater for years.

    President Trump committed the Beltway sin of winning.

    This. He has actually made keeping campaign promises his brand as president, and the House and Senate GOP loath the base, and always count on breaking every core party platform plank except the owns the Chamber of Commerce pays in full for fulfillment.

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    • November 10, 2019, at 7:42 PM PST
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  26. Mark Camp Member

    Manny (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment): The Dems deserve to be decimated come next election.

    Not harsh enough.

    LOL, I didn’t mean decimated in the old Roman military sense. Though that wouldn’t be a bad idea either. ;)

    Mere decimation be counted as a landslide.*

     

     = = = = = = = =

    *10% of their roughly 50% of the voters would be 5%. That would mean a 55% plurality for the Republicans.

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    • November 11, 2019, at 2:01 AM PST
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  27. EHerring Coolidge

    I think this explains Vindman, “Kelly and Tillerson confided in me that when they resisted the President, they weren’t being insubordinate, they were trying to save the country,” Haley wrote.“ 

    I think Kelly found his stooge. 

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    • November 11, 2019, at 4:41 AM PST
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  28. Jon1979 Lincoln

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    This explains why the Nevers have turned against Nikki Haley over the last couple days.

    It’s going to be interesting to see how this plays out in the 2021-24 period, if the most hardcore of the #NeverTrump crowd are going to disqualify supporting anyone who wasn’t/isn’t a full throated Trump opponent in the 2017-2020 period (or 2021-24, if he wins re-election).

    They already have Pence on the crossed-off list — if Haley’s a scratch, too, because she wouldn’t get on board for some type of usurpation or 25th Amendment invocation, they’re really going to start running out of GOP hopefuls in a hurry, if the single-issue they’re looking for is open hostility to Trump on virtually all issues, since Haley has criticized Trump since leaving her U.N. position when she’s thought he’s gone too far (might be time to get some white-out and change all those dusty Mitt ’12 posters to Mitt ’24 if that’s the game-plan).

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    • November 11, 2019, at 5:24 AM PST
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  29. DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey Member

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    This explains why the Nevers have turned against Nikki Haley over the last couple days.

    It’s going to be interesting to see how this plays out in the 2021-24 period, if the most hardcore of the #NeverTrump crowd are going to disqualify supporting anyone who wasn’t/isn’t a full throated Trump opponent in the 2017-2020 period (or 2021-24, if he wins re-election).

    They already have Pence on the crossed-off list — if Haley’s a scratch, too, because she wouldn’t get on board for some type of usurpation or 25th Amendment invocation, they’re really going to start running out of GOP hopefuls in a hurry, if the single-issue they’re looking for is open hostility to Trump on virtually all issues, since Haley has criticized Trump since leaving her U.N. position when she’s thought he’s gone too far (might be time to get some white-out and change all those dusty Mitt ’12 posters to Mitt ’24 if that’s the game-plan).

    Watch the Nevers who have spoken favorably of Haley. We have at least one among us who has suggested Haley run for President in 2024. If he suddenly switches to anti-Haley, we’ll know that the Never Narrative™ has permanently shifted.

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    • November 11, 2019, at 6:52 AM PST
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  30. Jon1979 Lincoln

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey (View Comment):

    This explains why the Nevers have turned against Nikki Haley over the last couple days.

    It’s going to be interesting to see how this plays out in the 2021-24 period, if the most hardcore of the #NeverTrump crowd are going to disqualify supporting anyone who wasn’t/isn’t a full throated Trump opponent in the 2017-2020 period (or 2021-24, if he wins re-election).

    They already have Pence on the crossed-off list — if Haley’s a scratch, too, because she wouldn’t get on board for some type of usurpation or 25th Amendment invocation, they’re really going to start running out of GOP hopefuls in a hurry, if the single-issue they’re looking for is open hostility to Trump on virtually all issues, since Haley has criticized Trump since leaving her U.N. position when she’s thought he’s gone too far (might be time to get some white-out and change all those dusty Mitt ’12 posters to Mitt ’24 if that’s the game-plan).

    Watch the Nevers who have spoken favorably of Haley. We have at least one among us who has suggested Haley run for President in 2024. If he suddenly switches to anti-Haley, we’ll know that the Never Narrative™ has permanently shifted.

    It will be interesting to hear the future mechanization/justifications of the #NeverNikki movement in trying to explain their opposition outside of “She didn’t reflexively oppose Trump after she left her U.N. job“. Should make for some fun pretzel logic columns and podcasts.

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    • November 11, 2019, at 6:56 AM PST
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