Recommended by Ricochet Members Created with Sketch. The Battle to Reclaim the Church Has Begun

 

The idiots, diabolical prelates, aging Vatican II boomers, atheists and pro-abortionists handpicked by Pope Francis, in all his wisdom, who used non-Catholic indigenous Amazonian people as a prop to push through a resurgent Marxist Liberation Theology (previously condemned by St. John Paul II) and open the door for ordination of women has been a dark comedy of errors. How could I say that the indigenous Amazonians are being used as a prop? Perhaps because Austrian Bishop Erwin Kräutler, the leading spokesperson for the Amazon Synod has articulated that,

“I have never in my life baptized an indigenous [person], and I also do not have the intention of ever doing so.”

Baptism is one of the duties of any priest. Priests and prelates are in the saving-of-souls business. That’s what they have been called by Christ to do upon ordination. They do this by performing the sacraments – baptism, confession, confirmation, marriage, Extreme Unction (also referred to as the Last Rites). When a priest, bishop, or cardinal articulates that he has no intention of baptizing someone to save their eternal soul, then that cleric is no longer working for Christ and one has to ask who he may be serving instead. There has been virtually no discussion of baptizing and converting non-Catholic indigenous Amazonians but instead discussion of melding pagan worship with Catholic worship and much moaning, groaning, and handwringing that there’s never enough priests in the region, so the Church must ordain married men, make women deacons, and consider at some point ordaining women to the priesthood. There is so much more to comment on about the Amazonian Synod that I just don’t have time to address, but Ricochet member Scott Wilmot has been doing yeoman’s work on addressing some of the other abominations.

If you’re still a staunch supporter of Francis after the all the revelations, scandals, slanders, and heretical pronouncements, pagan idolatry, deliberate obfuscation, financial malfeasance (the potential pending collapse of the Vatican bank), racketeering, promotion of known sexual predators to the curia — then your loyalty to Jorge Bergoglio may be based on a childish notion that the pope should never be challenged and must be doing Our Lord’s work, or perhaps you’re ideologically possessed and want the Church to be more relevant to various causes like the promotion and encouragement of LGBT lifestyles, Climate Alarmism, Gaia worship, collective salvation, social justice, identity politics, open borders, wealth distribution, and multiculturalism.

There are countless news articles available over the past several years that will bolster what is asserted above and each one should shock and disgust any person of faith or anyone trying to live a decent and ethical life. This pontificate is an unmitigated disaster that increasingly shows that it is being engineered by diabolical forces at the highest level. There is simply too much evidence, testimony and now eyewitness accounts that Bergoglio is not simply a bad pope but a pope who it has been reported by a journalist for whom he continues to grant access that may not even believe that Christ was God while on Earth – the Arian heresy (a report, which to date His Holiness has still not personally refuted); and is, through rigged synods, doing all he can to undermine close to 2,000 years of Church teaching.

The vomit-inducing spectacle of watching pagan idol worship take place in the Vatican gardens at the invitation of Francis, should have upset any Catholic who has a passing familiarity with the Ten Commandments and realize that bowing and chanting before false idols violates the First of the Ten and to worship false idols is an invitation to the demonic. When a woman who presented the carved statue of a kneeling/squatting naked pregnant woman to him claiming it depicted “Our Lady of the Amazon” or Mary, the Mother of God, Francis, rather than being shocked or disputing the claim, blessed it. The statue was subsequently referred to and identified as Pachamama, a fertility goddess and representation of “Mother Earth” which Catholics do not recognize and spokespersons for the Vatican have subsequently said that the carved idol does not depict the Virgin Mary. The pope has not apologized for blessing a pagan idol.

After a few days of this nonsense, two faithful Catholics removed five of the Pachamamas from the church of Santa Maria in Traspontina near Vatican City and unceremoniously tossed each one into the Tiber river, where it was reported that they eventually floated out to the Mediterranean.

The men involved were following the example of previous saints and prelates of the Church who also courageously destroyed pagan idols that defiled consecrated Catholic churches. The response on Catholic social media by traditional Catholics has been overwhelmingly enthusiastic and appears to be a sign that the laity (not unlike commuters in London hampered by Extinction Rebellion protests), may have reached their breaking point on the insidious agenda of this pontificate. Francis sycophants have compared the courageous men to ISIS terrorists, lied about what they actually did, called them racists and one even claimed they only tossed the Pachamamas into the Tiber because they couldn’t get their hands on the Pope and toss him in.

Now, it would be one thing if Francis and his preferred cardinals, bishops and priests were attempting to make minor changes to Church teaching based on sound and irrefutable theological arguments but this isn’t the case. In fact, Francis and some in the curia, often vent their anger at traditional Catholics who are trying to preserve Catholic teaching.

A few days ago, I recommended that Vatican City be exorcised – based on all the scandals of this pontificate. I sincerely believe that a comprehensive door-to-door exorcism of every apartment and every room in Vatican City including – beginning with the papal apartments – and re-consecrating St. Peter’s Basilica – seems to me to be a wise thing to do.

Then yesterday (Wednesday) evening something quite disturbing happened. Dr. Taylor Marshall, a traditional Catholic, theologian, YouTube video commentator (often with fellow theologian and teacher Timothy Gordon) and author (most recently of Infiltration; The Plot To Destroy The Church From Within with a forward by Bishop Athanasius Schneider, one of the few outspoken critics of this pontificate) tweeted out that someone was rewriting his Wikipedia page and putting in false information, particularly about his credentials.

Now, I probably would have chalked this up to any rabid sycophantic follower of the Pope or a follower of some of the LGBT-promoting priests and prelates here in America – but Dr. Marshall has found that the IP address of the computer of the person hacking his Wikipedia page has been located within Vatican City.

It seems that the battle to reclaim the Church is underway and has ratcheted up a notch.

 

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  1. Vance Richards Member
    Vance RichardsJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Brian Watt: The statue was subsequently referred to and identified as Pachamama, a fertility goddess

    You don’t need a degree in theology to realize that pagan idols don’t belong in a church.

    Brian Watt:

    How could I say that the indigenous Amazonians are being used as a prop? Perhaps because German Bishop Erwin Kräutler, the leading spokesperson for the Amazon Synod has articulated that,

    “I have never in my life baptized an indigenous [person], and I also do not have the intention of ever doing so.”

    I’m having a hard time getting past that quote. If you truly believe that Jesus is “the Way, the Truth, and the Life,” then withholding that from someone because of their race is just . . . evil. There are lots of other professions this guy could be working at, why even be a priest?

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    • October 24, 2019, at 2:08 PM PDT
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  2. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western ChauvinistJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    I remember how triumphant my “liberal” church friends (and priest) were when Bergoglio became Pope. It’s almost as if they knew all their post-Vatican II dreams were about to come true. They would finally have a church made in their social justice image, with priestesses and all.

    It’s just too bad it’s not the Catholic church founded by Christ.

    • #2
    • October 24, 2019, at 2:53 PM PDT
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  3. Randy Webster Member

    What were the Cardinals thinking when they elected this bozo?

    • #3
    • October 24, 2019, at 3:13 PM PDT
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  4. jonb60173 Member

    As Isaiah and Christ both said – “They teach as doctrine commandments of men” and Christ further “Salt is good: but if the salt have lost its flavor, with which shall it be seasoned? It is fit neither for the soil nor for the manure pile; it is thrown out.”

    These supposed Christian leaders did not take God by surprise, they’re as old as the hills. Only God knows how he’ll deal with them, but one has to assume He will.

     

    • #4
    • October 24, 2019, at 3:34 PM PDT
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  5. Saint Augustine Member

    Brian Watt: The men involved were following the example of previous saints and prelates of the Church who also courageously destroyed pagan idols that defiled consecrated Catholic churches.

    This matters. I want to think well of throwing idols in the Tiber, but I’ve been wondering if it might be an act of vandalism.

    It’s not.

    If Al comes into Bob’s home and takes his rocking chair from his living room and throws it into the street, breaking it, he’s a vandal.

    If Bob breaks into Al’s home and leaves his rocking chair in Al’s bathtub where it doesn’t belong, where it gets in the way, where it’s not supposed to be, where Bob has no business leaving it–if Al then throws Bob’s chair into the street, breaking it, Al is no vandal. What happened to the chair is Bob’s fault.

    • #5
    • October 24, 2019, at 3:38 PM PDT
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  6. Dave of Barsham Member

    Not being Catholic I’m mostly going to stay out of it on this one. However, I couldn’t help but notice on the Wiki changes the person used “radical traditionalist” more than once. I think I’m going to have to start using that for myself. Dave of Barsham: Radical Traditionalist. 

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    • October 24, 2019, at 3:41 PM PDT
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  7. Brian Watt Member
    Brian WattJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Brian Watt: The men involved were following the example of previous saints and prelates of the Church who also courageously destroyed pagan idols that defiled consecrated Catholic churches.

    This matters. I want to think well of throwing idols in the Tiber, but I’ve been wondering if it might be an act of vandalism.

    It’s not.

    If Al comes into Bob’s home and takes his rocking chair from his living room and throws it into the street, breaking it, he’s a vandal.

    If Bob breaks into Al’s home and leaves his rocking chair in Al’s bathtub where it doesn’t belong, where it gets in the way, where it’s not supposed to be, where Bob has no business leaving it–if Al then throws Bob’s chair into the street, breaking it, Al is no vandal. What happened to the chair is Bob’s fault.

    Dr. Marshall and Tim Gordon explore the theft allegation of the Pachamama idols in this video…which may have perturbed certain folks in the Vatican:

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    • October 24, 2019, at 3:50 PM PDT
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  8. Saint Augustine Member

    Brian Watt:

    The Battle to Reclaim the Church Has Begun

    • #8
    • October 24, 2019, at 4:30 PM PDT
    • 7 likes
  9. Seawriter Contributor

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    What were the Cardinals thinking when they elected this bozo?

    That they could not get past the Nationals in the NL championship?

    • #9
    • October 24, 2019, at 4:51 PM PDT
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  10. Seawriter Contributor

    This makes me so glad I am Orthodox and not Catholic. This type of nonsense has hit one Orthodox church or another over the years, but the church is so compartmentalized you can go to one that is still Orthodox. 

    St. Nicholas slapped Arius across the face at the Concil of Nicea. It is not as if there is no precedent for throwing pagan idols into the river.

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    • October 24, 2019, at 4:55 PM PDT
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  11. Saint Augustine Member

    Ignore this comment! It was supposed to be posted on the PIT. Sorry.

    • #11
    • October 24, 2019, at 4:59 PM PDT
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  12. Brian Watt Member
    Brian WattJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    So Doctor Sleep is a WB film, and sequel to The Shining, a WB film. And It 1 and 2 are WB films.

    Is WB setting up a Stephen King cinematic universe?

    They should have gone with a Space Jam cinematic universe. But Stephen King might be kind of interesting too.

    Way to stay on topic.

    Sorry. It was an accident. I fixed the comment above.

    No worries. Thanks for the confession. Now say three Hail Mary’s…

    • #12
    • October 24, 2019, at 5:00 PM PDT
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  13. 9thDistrictNeighbor Member

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Brian Watt: The men involved were following the example of previous saints and prelates of the Church who also courageously destroyed pagan idols that defiled consecrated Catholic churches.

    This matters. I want to think well of throwing idols in the Tiber, but I’ve been wondering if it might be an act of vandalism.

    It’s not.

    If Al comes into Bob’s home and takes his rocking chair from his living room and throws it into the street, breaking it, he’s a vandal.

    If Bob breaks into Al’s home and leaves his rocking chair in Al’s bathtub where it doesn’t belong, where it gets in the way, where it’s not supposed to be, where Bob has no business leaving it–if Al then throws Bob’s chair into the street, breaking it, Al is no vandal. What happened to the chair is Bob’s fault.

    Dr. Marshall and Tim Gordon explore the theft allegation of the Pachamama idols in this video…which may have perturbed certain folks in the Vatican:

    I listened to this podcast/broadcast this morning. These guys are great. I loved how they called the bowing and scraping in the Vatican gardens “Wayne’s World” worship (I’m not worthy!), explained how no Catholic worships anything or anyone in that way, and later pointing out the symbolism in the route the men took on their way to the river. So much more in there…including a call to prayer.

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    • October 24, 2019, at 5:01 PM PDT
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  14. Scott Wilmot Member

    Brian – it has been quite a wild ride through the papacy of Jorge Mario Bergoglio – aka Pope Francis.

    I think you are right to say that the battle to reclaim the Church has begun. Satan attacks what he knows to be true, good, and beautiful and that is the Catholic Church. The men who threw the idols into the river were following in the footsteps of Elijah when he took on the prophets of Baal (1 Kings 18:20-40). It reminds me of the actions of that young man in Poland who stood before those who had defaced the icon of Our Lady of Częstochowa at an LGBTLMNOP rally with the crucifix and a rosary. More of this will be needed.

    Pope Francis is famous for saying ¡Hagan lío! (make a mess). He certainly has and he is now reaping the backlash.

    And as Taylor Marshall says: “be the Maccabees”.

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    • October 24, 2019, at 5:02 PM PDT
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  15. Barfly Member

    Brian Watt: It seems that the battle to reclaim the Church is underway and has ratcheted up a notch.

    I’d like to believe that but I’ll need more evidence than an internet spat. One thing wrong with society today is the outsized significance we attach to what people say online. Got any good news from the real world?

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    • October 24, 2019, at 5:10 PM PDT
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  16. Saint Augustine Member

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    So Doctor Sleep is a WB film, and sequel to The Shining, a WB film. And It 1 and 2 are WB films. Is WB setting up a Stephen King cinematic universe? They should have gone with a Space Jam cinematic universe. But Stephen King might be kind of interesting too.

    Ignore this comment! It was supposed to be posted on the PIT. Sorry.

    Way to stay on topic.

    Sorry. It was an accident. I fixed the comment.

    • #16
    • October 24, 2019, at 5:11 PM PDT
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  17. Amy Schley, Longcat Shrinker Moderator

    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    Brian Watt:

    How could I say that the indigenous Amazonians are being used as a prop? Perhaps because German Bishop Erwin Kräutler, the leading spokesperson for the Amazon Synod has articulated that,

    “I have never in my life baptized an indigenous [person], and I also do not have the intention of ever doing so.”

    I’m having a hard time getting past that quote. If you truly believe that Jesus is “the Way, the Truth, and the Life,” then withholding that from someone because of their race is just . . . evil. There are lots of other professions this guy could be working at, why even be a priest?

    I really wondered what that was supposed to mean. That he thinks the indigenous people lack original sin? That one of their tribal rights is the equivalent of baptism? That he hates them all and wants them to burn in hell?

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    • October 24, 2019, at 5:20 PM PDT
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  18. Brian Watt Member
    Brian WattJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Recorded this morning by Dr. Marshall and Michael Voris who recaps many of the more events and pronouncements of the Amazon Synod:

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    • October 24, 2019, at 5:33 PM PDT
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  19. Percival Thatcher
    PercivalJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Amy Schley (View Comment):

    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    Brian Watt:

    How could I say that the indigenous Amazonians are being used as a prop? Perhaps because German Bishop Erwin Kräutler, the leading spokesperson for the Amazon Synod has articulated that,

    “I have never in my life baptized an indigenous [person], and I also do not have the intention of ever doing so.”

    I’m having a hard time getting past that quote. If you truly believe that Jesus is “the Way, the Truth, and the Life,” then withholding that from someone because of their race is just . . . evil. There are lots of other professions this guy could be working at, why even be a priest?

    I really wondered what that was supposed to mean. That he thinks the indigenous people lack original sin? That one of their tribal rights is the equivalent of baptism? That he hates them all and wants them to burn in hell?

    18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
    Matthew 28:18-20

    Except you, Erwin. You’re on your own.

     

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    • October 24, 2019, at 5:52 PM PDT
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  20. Barfly Member

    Percival (View Comment):

    Amy Schley (View Comment):

    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    Brian Watt:

    How could I say that the indigenous Amazonians are being used as a prop? Perhaps because German Bishop Erwin Kräutler, the leading spokesperson for the Amazon Synod has articulated that,

    “I have never in my life baptized an indigenous [person], and I also do not have the intention of ever doing so.”

    I’m having a hard time getting past that quote. If you truly believe that Jesus is “the Way, the Truth, and the Life,” then withholding that from someone because of their race is just . . . evil. There are lots of other professions this guy could be working at, why even be a priest?

    I really wondered what that was supposed to mean. That he thinks the indigenous people lack original sin? That one of their tribal rights is the equivalent of baptism? That he hates them all and wants them to burn in hell?

    18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
    Matthew 28:18-20

    Except you, Erwin. You’re on your own.

     

    No, him too. He is with all of us, to the end of the age. When we take our minds to be truth over his world, then we fall and can’t see, but none are on their own. 

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    • October 24, 2019, at 5:55 PM PDT
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  21. Skyler Coolidge

    This communist pope has been a disaster for Christianity.

    It makes you wonder how someone can spend their life as a priest and yet have no convictions about his faith at all.

    The world has gone mad.

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    • October 24, 2019, at 6:04 PM PDT
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  22. Barfly Member

    Skyler (View Comment):

    This communist pope has been a disaster for Christianity.

    It makes you wonder how someone can spend their life as a priest and yet have no convictions about his faith at all.

    The world has gone mad.

    Not all of it. But Islam and the Catholic Church have.

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    • October 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM PDT
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  23. Percival Thatcher
    PercivalJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Barfly (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Amy Schley (View Comment):

    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    Brian Watt:

    How could I say that the indigenous Amazonians are being used as a prop? Perhaps because German Bishop Erwin Kräutler, the leading spokesperson for the Amazon Synod has articulated that,

    “I have never in my life baptized an indigenous [person], and I also do not have the intention of ever doing so.”

    I’m having a hard time getting past that quote. If you truly believe that Jesus is “the Way, the Truth, and the Life,” then withholding that from someone because of their race is just . . . evil. There are lots of other professions this guy could be working at, why even be a priest?

    I really wondered what that was supposed to mean. That he thinks the indigenous people lack original sin? That one of their tribal rights is the equivalent of baptism? That he hates them all and wants them to burn in hell?

    18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
    Matthew 28:18-20

    Except you, Erwin. You’re on your own.

     

    No, him too. He is with all of us, to the end of the age. When we take our minds to be truth over his world, then we fall and can’t see, but none are on their own.

    Erwin is missing part of the Great Commission. He ought to ask himself why that is.

    If I were a less charitable person, I’d say picking out a group who you hope not to baptize gives off the faint aroma of racism. Now I know that Erwin didn’t mean it that way. I suspect that he just hasn’t thought about it much.

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    • October 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM PDT
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  24. Barfly Member

    Brian Watt:

    because Austrian Bishop Erwin Kräutler, the leading spokesperson for the Amazon Synod has articulated that,

    “I have never in my life baptized an indigenous [person], and I also do not have the intention of ever doing so.”

    Baptism is one of the

    This has been bugging me. What was the real word behind [person]? Because sometimes people lie in print, you know.

    Brian copied it straight from Life Site, where the quote is a prominent paragraph:

    Kräutler is famous for his expression that “I have never in my life baptized an indigenous [person], and I also do not have the intention of ever doing so.”

    That links to the site of Katholische Kirche Osterreich. Translation services to the rescue, and the real quote was:

    Bishop Erwin Kräutler, who works in Amazonia, once said: “I have not baptized an Indian and I will not.”

    Original text: Auch der in Amazonien tätige Bischof Erwin Kräutler habe einmal gesagt: “Ich habe noch keinen Indianer getauft und werde das auch nicht.”

    Ok, leave aside the pathetic schoolgirl-tea-party maternalism that protected us from the badthink of “Indian.” You know what really ticks me off? The Ratched-approved quote should have read “… baptized an [indigenous person], and …”. What did Life Site think they were saying, “… baptized an indigenous Indian and …”?

    Now just think how bad those constructions would look if we followed Drew’s space-the-ellipsis doctrine. Ugh. Driving me to drink.

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    • October 24, 2019, at 6:47 PM PDT
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  25. Doug Watt Moderator

    Dave of Barsham (View Comment):

    Not being Catholic I’m mostly going to stay out of it on this one. However, I couldn’t help but notice on the Wiki changes the person used “radical traditionalist” more than once. I think I’m going to have to start using that for myself. Dave of Barsham: Radical Traditionalist.

    Shorten it to Radical Traddie, Traddie is the perjorative used against Traditional Catholics. It’s an odd perjorative in that a Catholic is either orthodox in their Catholic belief, or they are at best schismatic , or at worst heretics. All those perjoratives only apply to baptized Catholics.

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    • October 24, 2019, at 6:56 PM PDT
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  26. Brian Watt Member
    Brian WattJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Barfly (View Comment):

    Brian Watt:

    because Austrian Bishop Erwin Kräutler, the leading spokesperson for the Amazon Synod has articulated that,

    “I have never in my life baptized an indigenous [person], and I also do not have the intention of ever doing so.”

    Baptism is one of the

    This has been bugging me. What was the real word behind [person]? Because sometimes people lie in print, you know.

    Brian copied it straight from Life Site, where the quote is a prominent paragraph:

    Kräutler is famous for his expression that “I have never in my life baptized an indigenous [person], and I also do not have the intention of ever doing so.”

    That links to the site of Katholische Kirche Osterreich. Translation services to the rescue, and the real quote was:

    Bishop Erwin Kräutler, who works in Amazonia, once said: “I have not baptized an Indian and I will not.”

    Original text: Auch der in Amazonien tätige Bischof Erwin Kräutler habe einmal gesagt: “Ich habe noch keinen Indianer getauft und werde das auch nicht.”

    Ok, leave aside the pathetic schoolgirl-tea-party maternalism that protected us from the badthink of “Indian.” You know what really ticks me off? The Ratched-approved quote should have read “… baptized an [indigenous person], and …”. What did Life Site think they were saying, “… baptized an indigenous Indian and …”?

    Now just think how bad those constructions would look if we followed Drew’s space-the-ellipsis doctrine. Ugh. Driving me to drink.

    Not sure how each translation changes the meaning of the statement even as they are different in referring to whether the label “Indian” or “indigenous person” should have been used. This seems to be a sidebar commentary on the use of euphemisms that doesn’t alter at all the intent of what Kräutler was saying. I think the more serious matters of heresy, apostasy, pagan idol worship and whether the pontiff actually believes in the divinity of Christ are matters that would lead one more to open the liquor cabinet or scream at their computer.

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    • October 24, 2019, at 6:58 PM PDT
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  27. Doctor Robert Member

    Brian Watt:

    Perhaps because Austrian Bishop Erwin Kräutler, the leading spokesperson for the Amazon Synod has articulated that,

    “I have never in my life baptized an indigenous [person], and I also do not have the intention of ever doing so.”

     

    Bishop Kräutler does not speak the language(s) of the indigenous people and is unable to confirm their voluntary acceptance of Christ as Savior. I don’t see a problem with this.

    I’m a Baptist. An idol in our Church would not be tolerated. Our pastor would refer us to Exodus or Deuteronomy. This is important enough material to have been placed twice!

    “I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

    3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

    4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:”

    Seems pretty clearly cut to me.

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    • October 24, 2019, at 7:03 PM PDT
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  28. Barfly Member

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Barfly (View Comment):

    Brian Watt:

    because Austrian Bishop Erwin Kräutler, the leading spokesperson for the Amazon Synod has articulated that,

    “I have never in my life baptized an indigenous [person], and I also do not have the intention of ever doing so.”

    Baptism is one of the

    This has been bugging me. What was the real word behind [person]? Because sometimes people lie in print, you know.

    Brian copied it straight from Life Site, where the quote is a prominent paragraph:

    Kräutler is famous for his expression that “I have never in my life baptized an indigenous [person], and I also do not have the intention of ever doing so.”

    That links to the site of Katholische Kirche Osterreich. Translation services to the rescue, and the real quote was:

    Bishop Erwin Kräutler, who works in Amazonia, once said: “I have not baptized an Indian and I will not.”

    Original text: Auch der in Amazonien tätige Bischof Erwin Kräutler habe einmal gesagt: “Ich habe noch keinen Indianer getauft und werde das auch nicht.”

    Ok, leave aside the pathetic schoolgirl-tea-party maternalism that protected us from the badthink of “Indian.” You know what really ticks me off? The Ratched-approved quote should have read “… baptized an [indigenous person], and …”. What did Life Site think they were saying, “… baptized an indigenous Indian and …”?

    Now just think how bad those constructions would look if we followed Drew’s space-the-ellipsis doctrine. Ugh. Driving me to drink.

    Not sure how each translation changes the meaning of the statement even as they are different in referring to whether the label “Indian” or “indigenous person” should have been used. This seems to be a sidebar commentary on the use of euphemisms that doesn’t alter at all the intent of what Kräutler was saying. I think the more serious matters of heresy, apostasy, pagan idol worship and whether the pontiff actually believes in the divinity of Christ are matters that would lead one more to open the liquor cabinet or scream at their computer.

    I’m staying outside that debate. I noticed the intent of a participant to censor another’s speech to fit their particular liking, and their incompetent execution of that censorship. Both are ugly.

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    • October 24, 2019, at 7:18 PM PDT
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  29. Brian Watt Member
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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):
    Bishop Kräutler does not speak the language(s) of the indigenous people and is unable to confirm their voluntary acceptance of Christ as Savior. I don’t see a problem with this.

    Where are you drawing this assertion? Can you cite a source? Kräutler has spent considerable time in Brazil and the Amazon region. I’m unable to find a source that says he’s unable to confirm their voluntary acceptance which is inferring that there must be some sort of language barrier or that no one can adequately translate his communication with the indigenous Amazonians. Given the number of Amazon Indians who attended the synod, some of whom acted as translators, I find this hard to believe.

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    • October 24, 2019, at 9:14 PM PDT
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  30. Brian Watt Member
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    Barfly (View Comment):
    Bishop Kräutler does not speak the language(s) of the indigenous people and is unable to confirm their voluntary acceptance of Christ as Savior. I don’t see a problem with this.

    I don’t think I agree with you usage of the word “censor” or that LifeSite seemed to have ill intent. The meaning of Bishop Kräutler’s statement is the same in each translation. But I won’t belabor the point if you’re adamant that they are acting dishonestly. I just choose to disagree. Cheers.

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    • October 24, 2019, at 9:19 PM PDT
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