My Personal Struggle with OPM Addiction: A Cautionary Tale

 

Opium is my pet name for OPM – Other People’s Money. I know that it’s addictive and dangerous. I have personal friends whose lives have spiraled out of control after just trying a little bit of it. It seems harmless enough in small doses, but their experience has led me to do my very best to avoid experimenting even with recreational use of this powerful substance. But recently, I have fallen off the wagon. I share my story, hoping to help others. My name is Dr. Bastiat, and I am addicted to OPM.

I live in a very nice house on a golf course in a gated community in Hilton Head. A few months ago, we found a leak in our roof. My neighbor down the street had just replaced his roof. His estimate was $13,000, but during the repair, they found some problems with flashing and sheeting, and it ended up costing nearly $15,000. My house is a little bigger, so I was thinking of numbers close to $20,000. That would be a setback, but not enough of one to lead me to get hooked on OPM. At least, you wouldn’t think so, would you? But hear my story, dear reader, so that you do not suffer the same fate as me.

The roofer shows up, and he finds the leak. There’s a 5×5-foot area of bad shingles, plus some flashing that would need to be replaced. He figured $2,000 – maybe $3,000 if they found some other problems when they got into it. I mentioned that my neighbor got a whole new roof for five times that amount, and he just shrugged.

So he goes to my HOA. Our gated community has very restrictive rules – our mailboxes all match, and I recently got a letter from them pointing out that I needed more mulch around my landscaping. No kidding. Our neighborhood looks very nice. But the HOA rules supreme.

So he goes to my HOA and tells the lady that he needed to replace a 5×5-foot section of shingles on my roof. The lady there asked if he could match them. He said no, they don’t make that shingle anymore. And even if they did, the roof is 14 years old, and has faded some, and they wouldn’t match anyway. But he showed her samples he had found that were very, very close. He pointed out that the repair was in a valley of the roof, facing away from the road, and the new shingles were so close in color, that no one would ever notice the difference. Easy repair, and it’ll look great.

She said, “No.”

He said, “I have to fix this. His roof is leaking.”

She said “No.”

He said, “I need that in writing.”

So he comes to me with a letter stating that he was not permitted to repair my roof. I said some bad words, and he says, “Relax – the game is just beginning. Watch this.”

So he sends that letter to my home insurance company. They had already approved the $3,000 repair. He explained to the insurance company that he was not permitted to do the repair they had approved, and that the only way that he could repair this leak, and have all the shingles match, would be to replace the entire roof. Which would cost $70,000.

The insurance company approved it. They had to fix the leak.

The HOA approved it. The shingles all match, and it didn’t cost them anything.

My roofer approved it. He drives a Shelby Mustang.

My wife approved it. She got a new roof, and it didn’t cost her anything.

And here I sit, rocking back and forth in the dark, struggling with my addiction to OPM. You just can’t imagine the horror until you’ve been there yourself.

But I’ll bet that you have been there yourself, haven’t you? Don’t try to act holier than thou with me – I know you’ve dabbled in the pleasures of this drug yourself, correct? Be truthful. Maybe a little harmless experimentation in college, like a Pell Grant or something? No big deal, right? In fact, it was kind of nice, wasn’t it?

Right. I knew it. So don’t judge me.

Plus, this was just a little relapse. A long weekend, if you will.

I can quit anytime I want.

In fact, I quit now. I’ve had enough. That was it. Never again. I really mean it this time. You’ll see.

Oh, boy…

It’s just that OPM is, um… so, well, so wonderful. There. I said it. It’s wonderful. It really is.

But I don’t want any more. Nope. Not me.


The politicians continue to run for office promising more and more OPM for the masses.

And they win, and they hand out the OPM. Not just to those who really need it — they hand it out to everybody. The people are happy and content, and re-elect the politicians. And we don’t criticize, because now we’re all on the take. And after all, just a little is harmless, right? Maybe just a little more. Why not?

And the politicians keep handing it out — it doesn’t cost them anything.

And they keep getting re-elected. And on and on we go.

It’s mostly harmless, right? Why not?

Oh boy…

This is going to be difficult to stop.


My name is Dr. Bastiat, and I’m addicted to OPM.

 

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  1. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    Doc, the only thing strange about this story, to me, is your report that the insurance company paid $70,000 for a $20,000 roof replacement. Are you sure that they actually paid this much? Often, there are significant discounts negotiated.

    Jerry,

    Yes, they sent the checks to me, and I gave them to the roofer. He got that much.

    My kid once got in a fender bender with her Crown Vic (I buy Crown Vics for all my kids – safe, cheap, and great cars). The guy at the body shop said it would be $1,800 to repair. I told him I was paying for it myself. Then he said it was $300, cash.

    I’m not sure why the difference is so striking.

    But again, my neighbor paid for his roof himself. Mine was an insurance job. With my neighbor paying his own money for his own roof, the price was less.

    I was spending other people’s money on stuff for me (Friedman’s third way to spend money, I think), so quality matters, but price is less important. I know that I pay insurance premiums, but I did not write a check for $70,000. That was $70,000 of OPM, at that moment.

    I’m not sure if that’s the reason for the difference. But it’s a big difference.

    Thanks,

    Dr. B

    For some young person entering the finance industry is there a formula for understanding this or is it beyond that?

    There may be a formula.  But I don’t know what it is.

    And I suspect it’s more complicated than a mathematical formula.

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  2. Bob Thompson Member
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    Doc, the only thing strange about this story, to me, is your report that the insurance company paid $70,000 for a $20,000 roof replacement. Are you sure that they actually paid this much? Often, there are significant discounts negotiated.

    Jerry,

    Yes, they sent the checks to me, and I gave them to the roofer. He got that much.

    My kid once got in a fender bender with her Crown Vic (I buy Crown Vics for all my kids – safe, cheap, and great cars). The guy at the body shop said it would be $1,800 to repair. I told him I was paying for it myself. Then he said it was $300, cash.

    I’m not sure why the difference is so striking.

    But again, my neighbor paid for his roof himself. Mine was an insurance job. With my neighbor paying his own money for his own roof, the price was less.

    I was spending other people’s money on stuff for me (Friedman’s third way to spend money, I think), so quality matters, but price is less important. I know that I pay insurance premiums, but I did not write a check for $70,000. That was $70,000 of OPM, at that moment.

    I’m not sure if that’s the reason for the difference. But it’s a big difference.

    Thanks,

    Dr. B

    For some young person entering the finance industry is there a formula for understanding this or is it beyond that?

    There may be a formula. But I don’t know what it is.

    And I suspect it’s more complicated than a mathematical formula.

    Well, maybe formula is too fixed. Is it understandable and predictable to a logical mind?

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  3. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    Doc, the only thing strange about this story, to me, is your report that the insurance company paid $70,000 for a $20,000 roof replacement. Are you sure that they actually paid this much? Often, there are significant discounts negotiated.

    Jerry,

    Yes, they sent the checks to me, and I gave them to the roofer. He got that much.

    My kid once got in a fender bender with her Crown Vic (I buy Crown Vics for all my kids – safe, cheap, and great cars). The guy at the body shop said it would be $1,800 to repair. I told him I was paying for it myself. Then he said it was $300, cash.

    I’m not sure why the difference is so striking.

    But again, my neighbor paid for his roof himself. Mine was an insurance job. With my neighbor paying his own money for his own roof, the price was less.

    I was spending other people’s money on stuff for me (Friedman’s third way to spend money, I think), so quality matters, but price is less important. I know that I pay insurance premiums, but I did not write a check for $70,000. That was $70,000 of OPM, at that moment.

    I’m not sure if that’s the reason for the difference. But it’s a big difference.

    Thanks,

    Dr. B

    For some young person entering the finance industry is there a formula for understanding this or is it beyond that?

    There may be a formula. But I don’t know what it is.

    And I suspect it’s more complicated than a mathematical formula.

    Well, maybe formula is too fixed. Is it understandable and predictable to a logical mind?

    I think you’d have to understand people, not math.

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  4. Bob Thompson Member
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    Doc, the only thing strange about this story, to me, is your report that the insurance company paid $70,000 for a $20,000 roof replacement. Are you sure that they actually paid this much? Often, there are significant discounts negotiated.

    Jerry,

    Yes, they sent the checks to me, and I gave them to the roofer. He got that much.

    My kid once got in a fender bender with her Crown Vic (I buy Crown Vics for all my kids – safe, cheap, and great cars). The guy at the body shop said it would be $1,800 to repair. I told him I was paying for it myself. Then he said it was $300, cash.

    I’m not sure why the difference is so striking.

    But again, my neighbor paid for his roof himself. Mine was an insurance job. With my neighbor paying his own money for his own roof, the price was less.

    I was spending other people’s money on stuff for me (Friedman’s third way to spend money, I think), so quality matters, but price is less important. I know that I pay insurance premiums, but I did not write a check for $70,000. That was $70,000 of OPM, at that moment.

    I’m not sure if that’s the reason for the difference. But it’s a big difference.

    Thanks,

    Dr. B

    For some young person entering the finance industry is there a formula for understanding this or is it beyond that?

    There may be a formula. But I don’t know what it is.

    And I suspect it’s more complicated than a mathematical formula.

    Well, maybe formula is too fixed. Is it understandable and predictable to a logical mind?

    I think you’d have to understand people, not math.

    So finance is not really a numbers game?

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  5. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    For some young person entering the finance industry is there a formula for understanding this or is it beyond that?

    There may be a formula. But I don’t know what it is.

    And I suspect it’s more complicated than a mathematical formula.

    Well, maybe formula is too fixed. Is it understandable and predictable to a logical mind?

    I think you’d have to understand people, not math.

    So finance is not really a numbers game?

    I know nothing of the world of finance.  But I would presume that it would not be a numbers game.  If it were, we could predict the stock market.  But we can’t predict the stock market, because we can’t predict the behavior of people.  People are irrational and unpredictable, and that is how they manage their money.

    But again, I don’t claim to understand the world of finance.  Don’t listen to me.

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  6. Bob Thompson Member
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):
    People are irrational and unpredictable, and that is how they manage their money.

    I wish this was all of what causes the financial chaos. I think there is enough collusion between government, corporations, and Wall Street to make the study of finance about as firm as say ‘Women’s Studies”.

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  7. CarolJoy, Above Top Secret Coolidge
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    This  is why HOA’s are among my least favorite entities on earth.

    You had one other choice of course. You could have sued them, and if the matter had gone before the right type of judge, justice might have been done. But you would have had to pay the lawyer you hired out of pocket and not through OPM. And who knows how much that would have cost?

    If you won a suit against the HOA, then maybe they would have had to pay your legal bill. But they would have turned around and socked your household and those of all your neighbors with the legal cost, divided by the number of households.

    So in the end, the neighbors might not care for you anymore.

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  8. Ilan Levine Member
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    Do not get me started on HOAs.….

     

    https://www.facebook.com/405459013236094/photos/414374239011238/

     

     

     

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  9. Stad Coolidge
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Do I have to count that I’m retired on a federal pension administered by OPM?

    I am.  Hehe . . .

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  10. Stad Coolidge
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Obviously, the solution is to overthrow the HOA.

    WHAT?!? Why would I do that? I just got a free roof!

    But you’d get rid of those guilt feelings.

    Wait a minute, you don’t have any because you’re addicted . . .

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  11. cdor Member
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    Stad (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    To be fair, HOA’s can be helpful if one has the misfortune of acquiring an irresponsible neighbor that shows a preference for a jungle, rather than a lawn, or decides to paint his house, which happens to be directly in your view, with a color so obnoxious as to prohibit your enjoyment of your property outside the walls of your house. Then there are the amateur car repair neighbors, with multiple broken down vehicles and no shelter to house them. That is not often a problem found in gated communities…except for jails, perhaps.

    So true. The problem is when there are no problems, then the HOA goes out and finds some . . .

    Hey, do-gooders gotta do good.

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  12. WillowSpring Member
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    Seawriter (View Comment):
    The roof was 2 years old when we bought the house. If you purchase a new home around here, lot of insurance companies make you replace the roof if it is over a certain age before they will issue coverage. I think mine wanted one less than 10 years old.

    When we bought our house – a log home built in 1803, I called our insurance agent who had handled the insurance for our tract house 30 years or so earlier.  I could hear him on the phone typing on a computer going through a form:

    He:  Is it frame or brick?

    Me : its is log.

    long delay…..

    He: OK, is it pre-war?

    Me: Which war?

    long delay …

    After more of this, it wound up that since the roof was new and the HVAC was also new, it was considered a new home for insurance purposes!

     

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  13. cdor Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Doc, the only thing strange about this story, to me, is your report that the insurance company paid $70,000 for a $20,000 roof replacement. Are you sure that they actually paid this much? Often, there are significant discounts negotiated.

    Good for you for having insurance to cover this loss. The patch-job would not actually have put the house back into its original condition, so the HOA’s objection was understandable.

    If the insurance company spent too much, this was not a result of using OPM. The insurance company was using its own money. If it wasted that money by overspending, it needs better employees or a better system.

    You have nothing to feel guilty about, and this is not a case of OPM. You paid your premiums, and demanded that the insurance company perform by fixing the problem. They did.

    If your bill is higher next year, you can look for new coverage.

     

    This is exactly what you need to do @drbastiat. If your insurance company paid 70 Grand for a new roof, and it’s not slate or clay tile, you must live in a 20,000 square foot house or larger. So be nice to your butler and be ready for a sock it to ya moment at your next renewal. And that issue can be solved by getting new quotes. A former insurance company of mine raised my premium by nearly 50% after they paid $11k for a new roof. I ended up with a different company, the same coverage, for less than I paid originally with the former company. But why am I certain that you already know all of this?

     

     

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  14. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    cdor (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Doc, the only thing strange about this story, to me, is your report that the insurance company paid $70,000 for a $20,000 roof replacement. Are you sure that they actually paid this much? Often, there are significant discounts negotiated.

    Good for you for having insurance to cover this loss. The patch-job would not actually have put the house back into its original condition, so the HOA’s objection was understandable.

    If the insurance company spent too much, this was not a result of using OPM. The insurance company was using its own money. If it wasted that money by overspending, it needs better employees or a better system.

    You have nothing to feel guilty about, and this is not a case of OPM. You paid your premiums, and demanded that the insurance company perform by fixing the problem. They did.

    If your bill is higher next year, you can look for new coverage.

     

    This is exactly what you need to do @drbastiat. If your insurance company paid 70 Grand for a new roof, and it’s not slate or clay tile, you must live in a 20,000 square foot house or larger. So be nice to your butler and be ready for a sock it to ya moment at your next renewal. And that issue can be solved by getting new quotes. A former insurance company of mine raised my premium by nearly 50% after they paid $11k for a new roof. I ended up with a different company, the same coverage, for less than I paid originally with the former company. But why am I certain that you already know all of this?

     

     

    You’re right, it’s just an asphalt shingle roof.  And my house is large but not that big – around 4,300 sq ft.  So that’s not it.  When he told me that my roof would cost $70,000 I asked the roofer if my house was structurally strong enough to support a roof made of solid 24k gold.  He didn’t laugh.

    And you’re also correct that I have a new insurance company already lined up.  They offered a lower premium, because my house now has a new roof.  We’ll see what my current insurance company does – I’ll stick with them if I can.  But I’m ready to leave if necessary.

    • #44
  15. WalterWatchpocket Coolidge
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    For some perceptive,  my house was built something before 1878.  It has its original roof; slate.  

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  16. Arahant Member
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):
    I’m not sure why the difference is so striking.

    Administrative costs.

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  17. Larry3435 Inactive
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    My kid once got in a fender bender with her Crown Vic (I buy Crown Vics for all my kids – safe, cheap, and great cars). The guy at the body shop said it would be $1,800 to repair. I told him I was paying for it myself. Then he said it was $300, cash.

    I’m not sure why the difference is so striking.

    It seems to be just the opposite of health insurance.  Ever seen a hospital bill?  “What’s this?  Forty dollars for an aspirin?!!!?”  Of course the insurance doesn’t pay $40.  They pay 50 cents.  But if you’re stupid enough to be paying with your own money you are going to get soaked.

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  18. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):
    Arahant

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):
    I’m not sure why the difference is so striking.

    Administrative costs.

    Eve if the Administrative costs were zero, (which they can never be) we need to remember the 67,000 dollars that were allocated inefficiently as the original Bastiat explains. 

    Have you ever witnessed the anger of the good shopkeeper, James Goodfellow, when his careless son has happened to break a pane of glass? If you have been present at such a scene, you will most assuredly bear witness to the fact that every one of the spectators, were there even thirty of them, by common consent apparently, offered the unfortunate owner this invariable consolation – “It is an ill wind that blows nobody good. Everybody must live, and what would become of the glaziers if panes of glass were never broken?”

    Now, this form of condolence contains an entire theory, which it will be well to show up in this simple case, seeing that it is precisely the same as that which, unhappily, regulates the greater part of our economical institutions.

    Suppose it cost six francs to repair the damage, and you say that the accident brings six francs to the glazier’s trade – that it encourages that trade to the amount of six francs – I grant it; I have not a word to say against it; you reason justly. The glazier comes, performs his task, receives his six francs, rubs his hands, and, in his heart, blesses the careless child. All this is that which is seen.

    But if, on the other hand, you come to the conclusion, as is too often the case, that it is a good thing to break windows, that it causes money to circulate, and that the encouragement of industry in general will be the result of it, you will oblige me to call out, “Stop there! Your theory is confined to that which is seen; it takes no account of that which is not seen.”

    It is not seen that as our shopkeeper has spent six francs upon one thing, he cannot spend them upon another. It is not seen that if he had not had a window to replace, he would, perhaps, have replaced his old shoes, or added another book to his library. In short, he would have employed his six francs in some way, which this accident has prevented.[1]

    No doubt the roofer is blessing the careless HOA in his heart and I cannot blame him. For but for the grace of a different career choice go I.

    The $67,000 could have gone to something much more important than replacing decent roofing tiles. 

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  19. Henry Castaigne Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):
    MemberMarciN

    Lord of the Ring, The Return of the King, “The Crack of Doom” (video is four minutes long): Many people have thought that Tolkien’s ring was addiction.

    The Ring represents addiction to power- the worst of all addictions. Heroin addiction can destroy individuals, break families and deeply hurt communities. But addiction to power can wreck entire countries. George Washington would have been able to toss the ring into Mount Doom but few others have that virtue.

    • #49
  20. Bob Thompson Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):
    Arahant

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):
    I’m not sure why the difference is so striking.

    Administrative costs.

    Eve if the Administrative costs were zero, (which they can never be) we need to remember the 67,000 dollars that were allocated inefficiently as the original Bastiat explains.

    Have you ever witnessed the anger of the good shopkeeper, James Goodfellow, when his careless son has happened to break a pane of glass? If you have been present at such a scene, you will most assuredly bear witness to the fact that every one of the spectators, were there even thirty of them, by common consent apparently, offered the unfortunate owner this invariable consolation – “It is an ill wind that blows nobody good. Everybody must live, and what would become of the glaziers if panes of glass were never broken?”

    Now, this form of condolence contains an entire theory, which it will be well to show up in this simple case, seeing that it is precisely the same as that which, unhappily, regulates the greater part of our economical institutions.

    Suppose it cost six francs to repair the damage, and you say that the accident brings six francs to the glazier’s trade – that it encourages that trade to the amount of six francs – I grant it; I have not a word to say against it; you reason justly. The glazier comes, performs his task, receives his six francs, rubs his hands, and, in his heart, blesses the careless child. All this is that which is seen.

    But if, on the other hand, you come to the conclusion, as is too often the case, that it is a good thing to break windows, that it causes money to circulate, and that the encouragement of industry in general will be the result of it, you will oblige me to call out, “Stop there! Your theory is confined to that which is seen; it takes no account of that which is not seen.”

    It is not seen that as our shopkeeper has spent six francs upon one thing, he cannot spend them upon another. It is not seen that if he had not had a window to replace, he would, perhaps, have replaced his old shoes, or added another book to his library. In short, he would have employed his six francs in some way, which this accident has prevented.[1]

    No doubt the roofer is blessing the careless HOA in his heart and I cannot blame him. For but for the grace of a different career choice go I.

    The $67,000 could have gone to something much more important than replacing decent roofing tiles.

    If we take all forms of insurance and apply what we see here, add healthcare and education costs that get loaded with unimaginable levels of administrative costs we have a good start on a vision of how bad are the matters we are examining with respect to the field of finances.

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  21. RushBabe49 Thatcher
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    @RushBabe49

    Anyone drawing Social Security is living on OPM.  Regardless of whether they “earned” it and are “entitled” to it.  It is still OPM.

    • #51
  22. Henry Castaigne Member
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    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Anyone drawing Social Security is living on OPM. Regardless of whether they “earned” it and are “entitled” to it. It is still OPM.

    Were Social Security means tested it wouldn’t be so bad. What the welfare state does is that it ropes everybody into OPM. A social safety net has some OPM but it doesn’t encourage a lifestyle of OPM. 

    • #52
  23. Caryn Thatcher
    Caryn
    @Caryn

    Absolutely brilliant, Dr. B. 

    • #53
  24. Bob Thompson Member
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    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Anyone drawing Social Security is living on OPM. Regardless of whether they “earned” it and are “entitled” to it. It is still OPM.

    There are still two forms of retirement from federal civilian employment, CSRS and FERS. I have the view that the CSRS was overly generous and exhibits some of the characteristics of the Social Security System. Of course, since it’s part of the employment agreement between the government and the employee makes it difficult to attack. The government retirement part of FERS is a little less so but only because the employee covers more through private pension contributions and participating in social security. Maybe it’s not much of an improvement. Many large cities and some states have serious deficiencies in pension plans so I guess there must be strong political influences in play when government pay and pension systems are formulated. There’s much use of OPM here.

    It really looks as if the Communists Democrats want to take us to a place where all the money belongs to government and government will distribute it.

     

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  25. Jimmy Carter Member
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Obviously, the solution is to overthrow the HOA.

    WHAT?!? Why would I do that? I just got a free roof!

    No You didn’t. Regardless of the decision of the HOA, You had an agreement with Yer insurance company (in the private sector) and They paid on that agreement. Comparing the bill They paid for the roof with the total amount You’ve paid for insurance, if Their bill is more it’s called profit. Profit is technically “other people’s money,” but not in the sense Yer trying to portray Here.

    “Other People’s Money” would be government funds that You didn’t pay into or charity.

    Edit to add: at most You got a new roof at a discount.

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  26. Dr. Bastiat Member
    Dr. Bastiat
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    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):
    “Other People’s Money” would be government funds that You didn’t pay into

    I pay taxes.  I pay into government funds. 

    There’s no such thing as government money.  Only money that has been taken from my friends and fellow citizens.  Taxes are not voluntary, making the government version of this shell game much more dangerous.

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  27. Jimmy Carter Member
    Jimmy Carter
    @JimmyCarter

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):
    I pay taxes.

    I didn’t say You didn’t. Read again. 

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):
    There’s no such thing as government money. Only money that has been taken from my friends and fellow citizens. Taxes are not voluntary, making the government version of this shell game much more dangerous.

    No shiite. 

     

    I’m stating that You got a “free roof” if You didn’t pay any insurance bills or pay taxes. 

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  28. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
    Gossamer Cat
    @GossamerCat

    I would have reacted as you did, @drbastiat.  I don’t like waste regardless of who ultimately pays, because in the end we all pay when prices go up.  It also seems wrong to rip up a lot of good roof for 5 sq feet of bad roof.  So I believe we should resist these impulses.  My story:

    I had a hot water leak in the closet that resulted in some mold on the walls and a section of carpet that got soaked.  I called in the carpet guy who does flood repair.  He said I could either dry out and then clean the rug in the closet, or I could go through my insurance who would replace the carpet in my entire condo and the wall in my closet for free because I had mold on a small section of wall.  Or, I said, he could dry the carpet and I would clean the wall with a $1.99 bottle of bleach.  He looked very disappointed but I slept soundly at night.

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  29. Randy Webster Inactive
    Randy Webster
    @RandyWebster

    Dr. Bastiat: Maybe a little harmless experimentation in college, like a Pell Grant or something?

    I had a National Merit Scholarship.  Does that count?

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  30. MACHO GRANDE' (aka - Chris Cam… Coolidge
    MACHO GRANDE' (aka - Chris Cam…
    @ChrisCampion

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):
    What happened to the $20,000 roof replacement?

    My neighbor paid cash for his roof replacement. It wasn’t leaking, it just needed to be replaced. When he paid for it, it was about $15,000.

    Mine was an insurance job. Which came with a different price. As it always does, with insurance. I could tell you some stories about health insurance.

    I wonder what mine would have cost, if I had paid cash?

    I asked the same question about my boob job.

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