I Was Wrong About Ukraine

 

I have been really wrong about the Ukraine thing in several respects.

(1) I assumed that Giuliani and Trump were just making a seat of the pants request to the Ukrainians to look at Biden and I found that irritatingly stupid but not unlawful. Turns out that Giuliani had compiled a fairly detailed record of evidence of malfeasance and coverup and that the Ukrainians were already looking into it. Characterizing the call as some kind of spontaneous browbeating to start up an inquiry was spectacularly dishonest.

(2) I paid no attention to the story back in April about US ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch and her role in blocking Ukranian investigators from coming to meet to the USDOJ about several issues, including Burisma. At that time, I could not tell (or, to be honest, care) whether these were the corrupt anti-corruption officials or the non-corrupt anti-corruption officials and paid no attention. The bleating by State Dept career types outraged that Trump fired such a sterling professional seemed like background noise.

Now it looks like Ambassador Yovanovich may be the most brazen deep-state player since Andy McCabe. Hip-deep in the efforts to go after Manafort while many (protected) Democrats fed at the very same trough, it now appears that she made every effort to stonewall efforts to reveal extensive corruption involving American (Democrat) political and financial interests. It also appears likely that resentment over her firing may be a causal event in the development of the Schiff Circus and its “whistleblower(s).”

(3) I completely missed the fact that this offensive regarding Ukraine is clearly a calculated pre-emptive strike because the more we get to look at the origins of Russiagate, the more all roads lead to Kyiv and a very broad pattern of both political and financial corruption by the minions of Barack and Hillary. I had just assumed this latest it was just another random attack on Trump.

I will be looking for bulk popcorn deals on Amazon today because I think fun stuff is about to unfold that Ricochetti can sit back and enjoy.

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  1. Old Bathos Member
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    cdor (View Comment):

    I have some concerns about the two Ukrainians arrested today by the FBI for campaign finance issues. They were supposedly Guliani associates who were helping him find information in Ukraine.

    The US Atty in the southern district is striking a blow to keep the narrative bipartisan. Picking out two pro-Republican sleazoids from the vast number of sleazoid choices in Russia and the Ukraine is some pretty precise targeting. The rapidity with which Democrats in the House knew the details and subpoenaed the accused is also striking.

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  2. DonG Coolidge
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    I don’t think the truth of the level of corruption will reach the masses until we get a Senate impeachment trial (which I doubt the Dems want).  This will be 5 months of Trump’s attorneys (including Trey Gowdy) calling Obama and Hillary and Hunter and Paul Pelosi to testify under oath … and putting the whole DNC on trial for corruption live on TV day after day.  This won’t be a hearing with blowhards saying nothing.  It will be an real trial with a real judge.  It. will. be. epic!

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  3. WI Con Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    The dilemma as I mention in another post is that we will likely hear nothing, or a distorted representation, of what has happened. All those reports, investigations and other information that we are looking forward to will simply be shoved into a deep, dark abyss. We’ll be able to look at the information ourselves, but will anyone outside of conservatives care?

    I think that is why indictments and jail time are so necessary. That will make ‘the news’ and is much less ambiguous.

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  4. Raxxalan Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Evan Thomas, a classic liberal establishment WASP writer (Phillips, Harvard, UVa Law) and a staple at Time and Newsweek for many years famously observed that media support for Democratic presidential candidates was worth 10-15%. [I always enjoyed though usually disagreed with his panel show commentary and I especially liked his book on the Battle of Leyte Gulf Sea of Thunder: Four Commanders and the Last Great Naval Campaign 1941-1945]

    I think that edge is far less even though (or partially because) the bias is more overt. There are no more responsible liberals like Thomas in the media. The trust is gone. Even those who still watch/read know they are being spun. Clinton and Obama could be sold as compassionate centrists by a generally, seemingly trustworthy MSM. That is over. The Green New Deal, Open Borders, Infanticide and frothing anger is a recipe for a shrinking, not a growing coalition.

     

    From your lips… However I have three troubling data points that worry me.

    1. The 2018 midterms were a blood bath in the house. It seems like the Republicans lost a lot of moderate suburbanites. I think the Dems were just as unhinged and deceitful then. Additionally we saw the most corrupt spectacle, it has ever been my misfortune to watch in the Kavanaugh hearings, so Dem bad behavior may not be enough.
    2. Support for Impeachment and removal is increasing even among Republicans. Fox news reports it at 51% and I think the last number I saw for Republican support was 3 in 10. This would tend to indicate the Dem’s strategy is working and that the MSM reporting is doing lasting damage.
    3. Trump’s approval numbers and head to head numbers are all underwater.

    I hope I am wrong about this; however, where I am sitting, admittedly in very blue Austin, this looks like it is going to be a close run thing.

    1. The suburban antipathy for Trump will continue to be a problem. Fortunately the Democrats propose the complete destruction of the suburban lifestyle so there’s that.

    2. The Schiff bump cannot be sustained. It is based on a very contrived set of premises and exists in the absence of a defense which is yet to come.

    3. Economy etc has not changed. If Trump shows resilience, these numbers also reset.

    I hope you are right.  The internals of that 51% poll look pretty skewed apparently.  So that may not be as big a hit as I originally thought.   Also I can no longer find the 3 in 10 Republican number so that may have been smoke as well.  It is so hard to sort truth from falsehood these days.  Especially with a relatively demanding job and family obligations this week.    I can see why the press is so good at controlling a narrative.  Even relatively engaged and informed people can be taken in.

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  5. Kozak Member
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    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):
    As we are all just beginning to discover, the Russian Collusion was incorrectly named; it should have been called the Ukraine Collusion. How all this escaped the Mueller Report, not to mention the MSM or even Fox, is beyond me as it was hiding in plain sight for years. 

    He never looked.  On purpose.

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  6. Franco Member
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    Monitor the MSM, but don’t watch. Polls are almost complete BS used to promote and demoralize. These people are not informing you, they are propagandizing everyone. 

    Tell everyone they are being LIED to. If you watch too much yourself, you will be in their thrall. Every human being, even smart people are vulnerable to hypnotism and false virtual reality attacks. You hear the same things from ( seemingly) different sources you begin to believe it as truth.

    This is an information war and we must deal with it on that level.

    So this means, for example, someone says “ blah blah Trump blah blah” you ask, “ how do you know that?” They say CNN, Fox, whatever. You say , “ and you believe them?” They say, of course it’s the news. You say, “ they don’t have an agenda? Do you really believe that?” Et Cetera. Always go for the source not the content. 

    Stay away from R & D labels. In fact no labels. Do not accept any labels applied to anyone. None of this will change any minds, but you have to plant the seeds of ( very justified) epistemological doubt. Use Covington, Kavanaugh, Smollett, every exposed hoax. Ask them if they believed it when it came out and ask them why they did. 

    People ARE waking up to the fake and corrupt news agenda. That’s the key.

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  7. WI Con Member
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    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    The Ukraine connection is extremely complicated. One way that might help to make sense of it is to listen to a recent podcast on the John Batchelor show where, in four different podcasts, a reporter named Aaron Klein connects the dots: https://podbay.fm/podcast/589864479/e/1570594609

    As we are all just beginning to discover, the Russian Collusion was incorrectly named; it should have been called the Ukraine Collusion. How all this escaped the Mueller Report, not to mention the MSM or even Fox, is beyond me as it was hiding in plain sight for years.

    Will make a point of listening when time allows. One point I haven’t seen being made though is that the ‘Ukraine’ during Obama’s Reign of Error was controlled by a Russian puppet. I’m alleging that the Ukraine of that time period was a ‘cut-out’ for Russia: the Biden’s graft, the Obama Admin. being able to put the screws to Manafort, the ‘Crowd-Strike/Democrat server storage lock-box’. That famous ‘flexibility’ that Obama spoke to Medvedev of was evidenced in Ukraine: MRE’s vs. arms,  Russian natural gas to the West through Ukraine and Democrats got a piece of that ‘flexibility’.

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  8. Stad Coolidge
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    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):
    The left has been on the offensive against Trump 24/7 since he took office. Sometimes their accusations takes days, weeks, or in the case of Mueller, years to be resolved.

    My fear is that the general public just won’t take the trouble to look into the weeds the way we do on Ricochet. This this a very complicated story, and the Dems are experts at soundbites making their version more believable. For a prime example, just listen to Schiff’s “paraphrasing” of the Trump phone call which was carried by the networks but explained by few that it was an inaccurate representation. Schiff knew exactly what he was doing, BUT do Mr. & Mrs. John Q. Public realize it was a blatant effort to misrepresent the call? I don’t think so.

    Look, John and Jane Q. Public elected Trump in the first place, in spite of all the negative publicity and commentary against him.  I think they aren’t taking the trouble to look into the weeds because they know there’s nothing there . . .

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  9. DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader Member
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    Franco (View Comment):
    This is an information war and we must deal with it on that level.

    Very, very true. It’s Psy Ops.

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  10. Bob Thompson Member
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    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    “Ukraine/Washington is infamous for corruption and disinformation operations; its police agencies fight over what is considered evidence of wrongdoing. Kulyk/Comey and his bosses even have political fights over who should and shouldn’t be prosecuted. Consequently, allegations emanating from Kiev/Washington usually are taken with a grain a salt.”

     

    Did you substitute foreign names and locations for our homebodies?

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  11. Bill Nelson Inactive
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    Giuliani has been working on the Russia thing since it was weaponized. Trump has a lot of faith in him.

    As he did with Manafort.

     

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  12. CarolJoy, Above Top Secret Coolidge
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    PHenry (View Comment):

    The more I hear, especially from the Democrats, about Ukraine the more I think Ukraine is the hub of the Democrat corruption from Biden and Clinton family finances to the Russiagate farce. Democrats have been using the Ukraine as their corruption management service!

    And as far as the quarter of a million Ukrainian citizens who had to become refugees due to the fighting that was destructive of their communities, I am sure the Dems who put the catastrophic situation together could have cared less. After all, when such tragedies can be ignored while the Ca Ching! of personal American fortunes are made, who cares? Ukrainians are after all,  people who live close to Russia.

    If they wanted to live in peace, they should have moved their country further away from Russia’s borders. Or chosen to be born elsewhere.

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