When the Woke Come for the Armed Forces

 

Men and women are the same and the only thing separating us is our sexual organs. This is the lie we’re being fed every day, all day. In countless ways, this lie has the potential to endanger our safety and our lives, and this is yet another example:

If women want to serve alongside men, they have to prove they are actually physically fit to do so. Weaker women serving in the army don’t just endanger themselves, they pose a risk for everyone around them. This is yet another way the woke Olympics hurts women under the guise of unattainable equality.

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  1. Clifford A. Brown Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    At its primal limit, combat consists of two individuals hitting each other until one of them dies. No amount of planning can prevent the possibility of the situation devolving to that.

    I don’t want any woman experiencing that on my behalf.

    Except that “combat” has almost never been conveniently linear, so the sentiment has little substantive meaning.

    What does that mean, “conveniently linear?”

    And if my objection is that I, personally, don’t want a woman (or child) defending me in a combat role, what does your observation have to do with that?

    Most Americans who came of age before 9/11 imagine “combat” to be something with some sort of orderly geography. There are “front lines” and “rear areas.” It turns out that battlefields, let alone “combat zones,” are not neatly segregated into “combat” and “non-combat” areas. Unless you think there can be, in the real world, a military entirely comprised of men, from clerks to infantry, from payload specialists to every kind of pilot, you simply are wishing for a unicorn. 

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  2. Skyler Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    At its primal limit, combat consists of two individuals hitting each other until one of them dies. No amount of planning can prevent the possibility of the situation devolving to that.

    I don’t want any woman experiencing that on my behalf.

    Except that “combat” has almost never been conveniently linear, so the sentiment has little substantive meaning.

    What does that mean, “conveniently linear?”

    And if my objection is that I, personally, don’t want a woman (or child) defending me in a combat role, what does your observation have to do with that?

    Exactly.  If women are defending the country and putting their lives on the line, then what is the purpose of men?  

    Also, Clifford cites that some 50 year old men are not capable of passing the fitness standards.  Well, as a man who retired at the age of 52, I say that those men should be tossed out.  The military is not supposed to be a jobs program, or employment security for geezers.  If the 50 year old can’t cut it, he needs to be shown the door.  

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  3. Skyler Coolidge
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    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):
    It turns out that battlefields, let alone “combat zones,” are not neatly segregated into “combat” and “non-combat” areas.

    Which is why women shouldn’t be anywhere nearby.  

    There are always lines.  Sometimes we get into wars where we are too extended and our lines are segmented, but there are always lines.

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  4. Skyler Coolidge
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    Robert E. Lee (View Comment):

    Not everyone who serves is a spear chucker. Not even most. Women can do most jobs in the military. Not every man can do some of the jobs.

    Face it, it’s hard enough to get qualified, dedicated people who will put up with the chicken feces, working conditions, miserable pay, and constant betrayal by their “grateful nation” to do the job in the first place.

    Did you really say “spear chucker?”  

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  5. Juliana Member
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Exactly. If women are defending the country and putting their lives on the line, then what is the purpose of men?

    Why does it have to be one or the other? Working together, appropriately utilizing the strengths of both, seems to be a more realistic goal. And while I agree that women do not have the same physical strengths of men, that does not mean that men have no weaknesses.

     

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  6. Kozak Member
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    Oh brother.   I’ve seen this over and over and over.  In the military when I served if women couldn’t meet the standard, lower the standard.

    At West Point they used to do an annual forced march as a first event for incoming Plebs.  The year they allowed women at West Point, not one could finish the march.  So they canned the event.

    When women got stress fractures from PT in combat boots, they banned the boots for running shoes.

    In the AF when a woman mechanic couldn’t lift a tool box up onto the aircraft to do her job, assign a second male to lift the box for her.

    As an 

    EMS medical director, when women couldn’t carry a person out of a burning building, remove the carry requirement, change to drag out of the fire….

    Women are great at many things.  Too bad they suck at many of the standard needs in the military.  They don’t have the endurance or the upper body strength for many of the tasks.

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  7. Kozak Member
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    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    Men are stronger than women and the Army didn’t cause that discrepancy. If I ever need someone to carry me to safety, I don’t care about their race or gender, only that they are strong enough to get the job done.

    Yeah. I watched Gloria Allred spew some nonsense about female firefighters who couldn’t carry a person to safety, that somehow dragging them was the preferred method. Demonstrated by someone grasping ankles and dragging the body around.  All I could picture was a rescue coming down about 3 flights of stairs, with the head going whomp, whomp, whomp…

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  8. Kozak Member
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    Robert E. Lee (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy grudgingly (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):
    Look, women can man (oh no, forgive me) consoles that control drones, nuclear missiles, combat air traffic control…

    So, Air Force rather than Army?

    Not everyone in the Army is an infantryman.

    Ask Patton’s cooks about that.  Or the guys who drive trucks through Indian Country.    There’s a reason everyone goes through basic training.  And in the Marines everyone is a rifleman first.

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  9. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Add to this that no young man can think clearly when women are around.

    Plus, men naturally protect women.  Having women anywhere near a combat zone, even just driving trucks or fixing planes, makes things more complicated.  They’re not the same as the men, and the soldiers will do anything to protect them.  That alone reduces combat effectiveness.

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  10. Skyler Coolidge
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    Juliana (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    Exactly. If women are defending the country and putting their lives on the line, then what is the purpose of men?

    Why does it have to be one or the other? Working together, appropriately utilizing the strengths of both, seems to be a more realistic goal. And while I agree that women do not have the same physical strengths of men, that does not mean that men have no weaknesses.

     

    Strengths of both?  Please.  Too much political indoctrination there.  

    Pray tell, what are men’s weaknesses?

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  11. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    CarolJoy, Above Top Secret (View Comment):

    Robert E. Lee (View Comment):

    Not everyone who serves is a spear chucker. Not even most. Women can do most jobs in the military. Not every man can do some of the jobs.

    Face it, it’s hard enough to get qualified, dedicated people who will put up with the chicken feces, working conditions, miserable pay, and constant betrayal by their “grateful nation” to do the job in the first place.

    Thank you for that input. It is also true that for the most part, women cannot measure up to men in certain ways. A man can push a heavier load in a wheelbarrow up a hill, but women will push a wheelbarrow that is 20% lighter for a much longer period. Their stamina levels are often greater than a man’s are.

    CarolJoy, I think that this is nonsense.  Do you have any empirical evidence for it?

    From the abstract of a 2013 meta-analysis (here):

    Findings revealed that males score substantially better on muscular strength and cardiovascular endurance tests but that there are no meaningful sex differences on movement quality tests. These estimates differ in several ways from past estimates. Results showed that sex differences are similar across selection systems that emphasize basic ability tests versus job simulations. Results also showed that sex differences are smaller for narrow dimensions of muscular strength and that there is substantial variance in the sex differences in muscular strength across different body regions. Finally, we found that training led to greater increases in performance for women than for men on both muscular strength and cardiovascular endurance tests. However, training reduced the male-female differences on muscular strengths tests only modestly and actually increased male-female differences on cardiovascular endurance.

     Then there is a recent, much-hyped study claiming the opposite (here is a story about the study, titled “Women have more stamina and muscle endurance than men, study suggests).

    I haven’t tracked down the study itself.  It looks like nonsense.  Guess how many participants?  17 — 9 men and 8 women.  No reporting on their levels of fitness.

    Oh, I did find this better explanation.  The study was calf muscle contractions, 200 repetitions at 30% of the individual’s maximal strength.  As the men were stronger, this means that they were performing a much harder task. 

    “Though the men could complete the 200 contractions faster, their power ebbed more quickly and they showed greater signs of fatigue at earlier stages, suggesting women can outlast men by a significant margin”

    What nonsense.  So if a man performs an exercise with a heavier weight, and performs it more quickly, but this causes his power to ebb, this somehow proves that the woman has greater endurance?

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  12. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    OkieSailor (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    At its primal limit, combat consists of two individuals hitting each other until one of them dies. No amount of planning can prevent the possibility of the situation devolving to that.

    I don’t want any woman experiencing that on my behalf.

    Don’t you watch NCIS? Haven’t you learned that a well-trained 85 pound female can easily best any 200 pound man in a fist fight? And besides that, the bad guys are very poor shots, missing almost every time while the heroes, male and female get perfect kills with a single shot while standing exposed. You know, reality TV for the masses. Or clever re-education for the masses. Don’t think this has no agenda nor impact.

    This generally annoyed me about NCIS, as well.

    I did like it when Ziva ended up fighting Damon Werth (in “Corporal Punishment”), a special forces guy with the hypothetical equivalent of Ziva’s Mossad super-training.  He tossed her around like a rag doll.

    Of course, DiNozzo and Magee would have tossed around Ziva or Kate the same way, in a real fight.

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  13. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Add to this that no young man can think clearly when women are around.

    Plus, men naturally protect women. Having women anywhere near a combat zone, even just driving trucks or fixing planes, makes things more complicated. They’re not the same as the men, and the soldiers will do anything to protect them. That alone reduces combat effectiveness.

    and they can get pregnant. I just want to tag that onto every argument. It used to be significant in marriage and fighting forces, but that went out the window with our common sense, which is increasingly uncommon. 

    Technology can’t equalize everything. 

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  14. Joe Boyle Member
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    I’m starting to wonder about some of these opinions presented as facts on this topic, very smart people, thinking their word is the last word. By the way, I’ve completed several IM distance triathlons. Long swims 2.4 miles are easier than you think. So, I’m not real impressed with distance swimming.

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  15. Percival Thatcher
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    Slow on the uptake (View Comment):

    All these issues would go away if we’d just keep women pregnant and in the kitchen. There. I said it.

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  16. Joe Boyle Member
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    In the military or not, if you go from running/marching no miles/week to twenty miles/week shin splints and sometimes stress fractures are your reward.A 95 lb women suddenly required to carry 70-80 lbs on her back is many times rewarded with shin pain and pelvis pain and sometimes fatigue fx’s. New training and testing may be appropriate.

     

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  17. Vance Richards Inactive
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    I am sure there is room for tweaking the requirements without sacrificing combat readiness, but if your reasoning for lowering standards is just to get more girls to pass, then you might be putting lives at risk.

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  18. Stad Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    You don’t hear them fighting to become exterminators, crab fishermen off the Aleutian Islands, landfill workers… I guess women are more equal than men.

    That’s because women were already filling those roles without any “help” from feminism.

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  19. Stad Coolidge
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    OkieSailor (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    At its primal limit, combat consists of two individuals hitting each other until one of them dies. No amount of planning can prevent the possibility of the situation devolving to that.

    I don’t want any woman experiencing that on my behalf.

    Don’t you watch NCIS? Haven’t you learned that a well-trained 85 pound female can easily best any 200 pound man in a fist fight? And besides that, the bad guys are very poor shots, missing almost every time while the heroes, male and female get perfect kills with a single shot while standing exposed. You know, reality TV for the masses. Or clever re-education for the masses. Don’t think this has no agenda nor impact.

    We’ve been binge watching NCIS, and have yet to see a female sniper-assassin.  Sexist!  Sexist!

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  20. Jimmy Carter Member
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    If these Women would just simply “identify” as Men, then They would surely be Men and pass these sexist tests. 

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  21. Slow on the uptake Coolidge
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Slow on the uptake (View Comment):

    All these issues would go away if we’d just keep women pregnant and in the kitchen. There. I said it.

    Would you believe I was hacked?

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  22. Juliana Member
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Juliana (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    Exactly. If women are defending the country and putting their lives on the line, then what is the purpose of men?

    Why does it have to be one or the other? Working together, appropriately utilizing the strengths of both, seems to be a more realistic goal. And while I agree that women do not have the same physical strengths of men, that does not mean that men have no weaknesses.

     

    Strengths of both? Please. Too much political indoctrination there.

    Pray tell, what are men’s weaknesses?

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  23. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    Stad (View Comment):

    OkieSailor (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    At its primal limit, combat consists of two individuals hitting each other until one of them dies. No amount of planning can prevent the possibility of the situation devolving to that.

    I don’t want any woman experiencing that on my behalf.

    Don’t you watch NCIS? Haven’t you learned that a well-trained 85 pound female can easily best any 200 pound man in a fist fight? And besides that, the bad guys are very poor shots, missing almost every time while the heroes, male and female get perfect kills with a single shot while standing exposed. You know, reality TV for the masses. Or clever re-education for the masses. Don’t think this has no agenda nor impact.

    We’ve been binge watching NCIS, and have yet to see a female sniper-assassin. Sexist! Sexist!

    Keep watching.  There’s a female North Korean super-assassin in season 7.

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  24. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    You don’t hear them fighting to become exterminators, crab fishermen off the Aleutian Islands, landfill workers… I guess women are more equal than men.

    That’s because women were already filling those roles without any “help” from feminism.

    This needs a sarcasm tag, right?

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  25. Skyler Coolidge
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    Juliana (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    Juliana (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    Exactly. If women are defending the country and putting their lives on the line, then what is the purpose of men?

    Why does it have to be one or the other? Working together, appropriately utilizing the strengths of both, seems to be a more realistic goal. And while I agree that women do not have the same physical strengths of men, that does not mean that men have no weaknesses.

     

    Strengths of both? Please. Too much political indoctrination there.

    Pray tell, what are men’s weaknesses?

    And yet you can’t list any.

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  26. Kozak Member
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    Some day we are going to go up against a serious opponent, and all the PC BS that has infested the military is going to be exposed in a big way.  Unfortunately the cost is going be in lives and treasure.  Hopefully not in a defeat.

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  27. Suspira Member
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    I always opposed combat roles for women. Nothing I’ve seen has changed my view on that. We once realized men and women had different strengths. There are many jobs that don’t require the fitness level of a combat soldier. Rationality would dictate that women could fill those jobs.

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  28. Jeff Hawkins Inactive
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    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    I am sure there is room for tweaking the requirements without sacrificing combat readiness, but if your reasoning for lowering standards is just to get more girls to pass, then you might be putting lives at risk.

    I’ve always thought the solution to the unnecessary “representation arguments” would be to go more woke.  Something to the effect of:

    Thousands of men in American’s armies have been dying in war for centuries.  If you look at the statistics, a staggering 99 percent of all casualites are male.  This is sexist.  We need more equality in casualties.  Women should not only be on the front lines, but should be the first ones in, perhaps before we’ve even plotted a coherent strategy of attack, thus ensuring heavy female casualties.

    If done sincerely, you’d rope in at least one writer for Vox or the New York Times 

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  29. Barfly Member
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    Robert E. Lee (View Comment):
    Not everyone who serves is a spear chucker. Not even most. Women can do most jobs in the military. Not every man can do some of the jobs.

    Liberal imaginings. Yes, Robert, everyone who serves in the military is a spear chucker. 

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  30. Stad Coolidge
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    OkieSailor (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    At its primal limit, combat consists of two individuals hitting each other until one of them dies. No amount of planning can prevent the possibility of the situation devolving to that.

    I don’t want any woman experiencing that on my behalf.

    Don’t you watch NCIS? Haven’t you learned that a well-trained 85 pound female can easily best any 200 pound man in a fist fight? And besides that, the bad guys are very poor shots, missing almost every time while the heroes, male and female get perfect kills with a single shot while standing exposed. You know, reality TV for the masses. Or clever re-education for the masses. Don’t think this has no agenda nor impact.

    We’ve been binge watching NCIS, and have yet to see a female sniper-assassin. Sexist! Sexist!

    Keep watching. There’s a female North Korean super-assassin in season 7.

    We must have missed it.  Is this the original NCIS?

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