Contributor Post Created with Sketch. Life on Planet Thunberg

 

Without a doubt, it is a major challenge to accurately model and predict the course of climate change. Climate systems are highly chaotic, which makes it difficult to figure out the effect of any particular natural or human event on future climate changes. We should, therefore, proceed with caution before making bold claims that the main, or even sole, driver of climate change is the human-generated increase in the carbon dioxide level, which now is approaching 415 parts per million.

But today’s activists are in crisis mode. The 16-year-old Swedish student Greta Thunberg’s recent calls for action sparked thousands of students to skip classes last month in order to fight a global climate “emergency.” These students are long on indignation, but short on solutions. They are content to implore today’s business, political, and social elites to come up with a solution before it is all too late—after all, these activists claim, in ten years we could all be dead.

The youth movement and its adult supporters assume that the fate of the world hangs in the balance unless some prompt and decisive action is taken. The proposed cures for addressing the climate crisis, such as the uncompromising demand that there be no more new fossil fuel projects, are highly intrusive. If implemented, even in part, they will necessarily affect how ordinary people eat, work, travel, and vacation­—and even how they bear children. The common desire “to set a pathway for 100 percent renewable power” will force excessive reliance on alternative energy forms, such as wind and solar, that are too unreliable to offer a dependable energy source on land, and useless for such activities as air transportation.

But what if the green crusaders have overstated the risk, or what if they are just plain wrong? Then massive social resources will be squandered without obtaining any advantage in return.

Before we join the crusade, we should listen to the independent professionals decrying the current crisis mentality. Five hundred professional climate scientists have flatly stated to the Secretary-General of the United Nations that “There is no climate emergency,” stressing the dangers of relying on today’s “immature models.” Petteri Taalas, who is the secretary-general of the World Meteorological Organization, has decried the “extremism” that has made it impossible to hold a more rational debate about the overall subject. Susan Crockford, an oft-cited polar bear expert, has recently rejected the claim of a climate emergency for polar bears, noting that ice fluctuations are common in the arctic, and that polar bears have for thousands of years adapted to rapid changes in conditions.

Beyond these sober assessments, it’s important to consider two other relevant issues: what “chaos” really means in a weather system and how plant life has fared in recent years.

Just what makes a system chaotic? The common misconception is that chaos is defined by a lack of control and predictability, such that excessive carbon dioxide could set the planet on an inexorable doomsday cycle. But the technical definition of chaotic carries with it no such implication. A system can be chaotic even when the set possible of outcomes can be confined within a limited space. A simple illustration of this point is the double pendulum with a break in the middle and a point weight on the end. The two segments of the pendulum form a circle with a radius equal to their sum. The break in the pendulum leads to a set of wild swings, the exact course of which will vary widely with even minute changes in the initial position. This apparently simple system is deterministic in that if the same initial settings are used on different occasions, they will always yield the same outcome. But it is also chaotic because no available computational method can come close to predicting the often large differences in final outcome as a function of small variations in the initial conditions. But there is a key structural limit on the set of possible outcomes: the double pendulum can never go outside a circle whose radius is the sum of its two segments.

This point has important implications for understanding the complex dynamics of climate change. No one disputes that carbon dioxide levels have been climbing steadily since 1900. There are some claims that 350 parts per million is the ideal concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, a figure that was reached during the 1980s. So why is a rise of 20 percent over that supposedly ideal number fatal? That has never been explained.

Nor, taken alone, can the consistent increases in carbon dioxide levels explain the observed ups and downs in temperature since 1900. Interestingly, these temperature oscillations gave rise to dire predictions of a new ice age in the 1970s. If CO2 were the dominant driver, we would expect to see steady temperature increases over the entire period. But the data shows constant fluctuation. Constantly rising carbon dioxide levels cannot explain the record number of high temperatures in the 1930s when overall carbon dioxide levels were far lower than they are today: only two such highs have been set in the continental U.S. after 2010—South Carolina (2012) and Death Valley California (2013).

Moreover, any viable model must explain not only the dramatic temperature peaks in 1998 and 2016 but also the sharp declines that followed. The small increases in year-over-year levels of carbon dioxide are not the likely culprit. One reasonable explanation for these changes could be the rapid shifts from El Nino (which sent cold airs from the west across the Atlantic) and the temporary rise of La Nina, which did not. These results should be expected. The temperature spikes generate “negative feedback loops” which tend to reverse temperature directions in ways that stabilize the overall system. This pattern has held for billions of years.

The second relevant factor in this discussion is the change in plant coverage. Predictions of climate emergency entail the view that plant life will fall into a rapid rate of decline owing to the occurrence of extreme temperature conditions across the globe. But the exact opposite is true. The evidence is overwhelming that the greening of the earth continues apace. NASA reports that “the greening of the planet over the last two decades represents an increase in leaf area on plants and trees equivalent to the area covered by all the Amazon rainforests. There are now more than two million square miles of extra green leaf area per year, compared to the early 2000s – a 5% increase.” And ironically, much of that growth has taken place in China and India, where carbon dioxide emissions are highest.

Taken altogether, these are not unexpected results. The influence of carbon dioxide levels on temperature depends on a multitude of factors. Greenhouse gases tend to have multiple effects on global temperatures, and it should never be forgotten that water vapor is both a more powerful and more abundant greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. But it is also the case that these two gases are critical for photosynthesis, a process that increases plant coverage, which in turn reduces temperature extremes.

A common practice for greenhouses is to pump in large quantities of carbon dioxide, up to 1000 to 1500 parts per million, to stimulate plant growth, even if temperatures remain constant. This pattern helps explains why most of the record highs (and lows) in the United States took place in the 1930s. There are those who claim that this cycle will not hold outside the laboratory, where conditions are more complex, leading to more “drought and heat stress.” Think of Wired’s 2016 prediction that “California’s Drought Is Probably Forever.” But there is no evidence of that today. Indeed, a recent report asserts that California is now drought-free for the first time in nearly a decade, notwithstanding higher carbon dioxide levels.

It is common for many concerned scientists to develop a metric that speaks of the social cost of carbon. The Environmental Defense Fund, for example, estimates the cost to be around $50 per ton for the 37.1 gigatons of carbon dioxide emissions released in 2018 (for a total cost of $1.86 trillion). But it is critical to be aware that all of these gloomy predictions posit a world in which, according to the EDF, climate change “causes devastating impacts: extreme weather events like flooding and deadly storms; the spread of disease; sea level rise; increased food insecurity; and other disasters.”

But these are predictions of bad times to come. They are not descriptions of the current situation in which the incidence of extreme weather events like drought is falling, sea level rise is slowing, agricultural prices are low, and food is abundant, not scarce. The professional skeptics are right: there is today no compelling evidence of an impending climate emergency.

© 2019 by the Board of Trustees of Leland Stanford Junior University

Published in Environment, Law
Like this post? Want to comment? Join Ricochet’s growing community of conservatives and be part of the conversation. Get your first month free.

There are 32 comments.

  1. 1
  2. 2
  1. drlorentz Member

    • #1
    • October 7, 2019, at 3:08 PM PST
    • 3 likes
  2. Taras Coolidge

    We must always bear in mind the underlying ethical conflict.

    Progressives are not interested in providing an accurate picture of climate change, but a useful one.

    Useful, that is, in moving public and especially elite opinion in the direction they see as desirable.

    Economic centralization under elite control and the reduction of national sovereignty are desirable goals in themselves.

    Thus, progressives will continue to promote whatever climate messages help them get where they want to go.

    • #2
    • October 7, 2019, at 3:55 PM PST
    • 9 likes
  3. Basil Fawlty Member

    Richard Epstein: The professional skeptics are right: there is today no compelling evidence of an impending climate emergency.

    Don’t you mean the skeptical professionals?

    • #3
    • October 7, 2019, at 3:59 PM PST
    • 1 like
  4. La Tapada Member

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    Wow! This shows how nasty her facial expressions really are.

    • #4
    • October 7, 2019, at 4:17 PM PST
    • Like
  5. DonG Coolidge

    One of the tricks of the Alarmists is to fake the temperature dips caused by big volcanoes in their models to make the models seem more accurate. In reality, the models are clearly very, very wrong. The world has already wasted a trillion dollars on alternative energy, when it should have been used for bettering humanity.

    Reality:

    What they advertise:

    • #5
    • October 7, 2019, at 5:10 PM PST
    • 1 like
  6. JoelB Member

    Five hundred professional climate scientists have flatly stated to the Secretary-General of the United Nations that “There is no climate emergency,” stressing the dangers of relying on today’s “immature models.”

    Now that could be a cause for concern. I’m so used to having the experts proved wrong that a consensus saying “don’t worry about it” makes me worry.

    • #6
    • October 7, 2019, at 5:20 PM PST
    • 1 like
  7. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge

    The truth is they just don’t know enough to effectively predict anything. Further study is warranted. Conservation and reasonable mitigation of known issues is warranted.

    • #7
    • October 7, 2019, at 6:00 PM PST
    • 9 likes
  8. Hugh Member

    All an act.

    • #8
    • October 7, 2019, at 6:04 PM PST
    • Like
  9. Stad Thatcher

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    The truth is they just don’t know enough to effectively predict anything. Further study is warranted. Conservation and reasonable mitigation of known issues is warranted.

    Well put.

    • #9
    • October 8, 2019, at 6:03 AM PST
    • 1 like
  10. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member

    You know, I can’t decide whether to dislike or pity the young Miss Thunberg. She is quite a nasty little piece of work. I know that she is still a child, but not that much of a child. 16-year-olds are responsible for at least some of their behavior.

    She’s been fed a pack of lies, but she seems to have swallowed them hook, line, and sinker. She is exceptionally hysterical, angry, and unpleasant, and this has gotten her a great deal of attention.

    I’m reminded of one of my favorite lines from Londo Mollari in Babylon Five. Something like: “Ah, arrogance and stupidity, all in the same package. How efficient of you.”

    • #10
    • October 8, 2019, at 10:36 AM PST
    • 3 likes
  11. Weeping Member

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    You know, I can’t decide whether to dislike or pity the young Miss Thunberg. She is quite a nasty little piece of work. I know that she is still a child, but not that much of a child. 16-year-olds are responsible for at least some of their behavior.

    She’s been fed a pack of lies, but she seems to have swallowed them hook, line, and sinker. She is exceptionally hysterical, angry, and unpleasant, and this has gotten her a great deal of attention.

    I’m reminded of one of my favorite lines from Londo Mollari in Babylon Five. Something like: “Ah, arrogance and stupidity, all in the same package. How efficient of you.”

    If I’m remembering correctly – and I very well may not be – she’s on the autism spectrum and has been diagnosed with OCD as well. Assuming that’s true, I think her parents should be trying to shield to a certain degree, not thrust her in the limelight.

    • #11
    • October 8, 2019, at 10:55 AM PST
    • 2 likes
  12. Bill Nelson Member

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    You know, I can’t decide whether to dislike or pity the young Miss Thunberg. She is quite a nasty little piece of work. I know that she is still a child, but not that much of a child. 16-year-olds are responsible for at least some of their behavior.

    She’s been fed a pack of lies, but she seems to have swallowed them hook, line, and sinker. She is exceptionally hysterical, angry, and unpleasant, and this has gotten her a great deal of attention.

    I’m reminded of one of my favorite lines from Londo Mollari in Babylon Five. Something like: “Ah, arrogance and stupidity, all in the same package. How efficient of you.”

    She is a 16 year old child with a disorder (Asperger, my niece has this, socially awkward), so not to be pitied or, certainly, disliked. She is to be encouraged to learn more about her topic. And part of that has to be how to understand and deal with the data. That she believe her life is destroyed is very sad, and I blame her parents for this.

     

    • #12
    • October 8, 2019, at 11:28 AM PST
    • 4 likes
  13. Hugh Member

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    You know, I can’t decide whether to dislike or pity the young Miss Thunberg. She is quite a nasty little piece of work. I know that she is still a child, but not that much of a child. 16-year-olds are responsible for at least some of their behavior.

    She’s been fed a pack of lies, but she seems to have swallowed them hook, line, and sinker. She is exceptionally hysterical, angry, and unpleasant, and this has gotten her a great deal of attention.

    I’m reminded of one of my favorite lines from Londo Mollari in Babylon Five. Something like: “Ah, arrogance and stupidity, all in the same package. How efficient of you.”

    She is a 16 year old child with a disorder (Asperger, my niece has this, socially awkward), so not to be pitied or, certainly, disliked. She is to be encouraged to learn more about her topic. And part of that has to be how to understand and deal with the data. That she believe her life is destroyed is very sad, and I blame her parents for this.

     

    I am sure that her suicide attempts will be very well documented by the media with the help of her family.

    • #13
    • October 8, 2019, at 11:36 AM PST
    • 1 like
  14. Bill Nelson Member

    Hugh (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    You know, I can’t decide whether to dislike or pity the young Miss Thunberg. She is quite a nasty little piece of work. I know that she is still a child, but not that much of a child. 16-year-olds are responsible for at least some of their behavior.

    She’s been fed a pack of lies, but she seems to have swallowed them hook, line, and sinker. She is exceptionally hysterical, angry, and unpleasant, and this has gotten her a great deal of attention.

    I’m reminded of one of my favorite lines from Londo Mollari in Babylon Five. Something like: “Ah, arrogance and stupidity, all in the same package. How efficient of you.”

    She is a 16 year old child with a disorder (Asperger, my niece has this, socially awkward), so not to be pitied or, certainly, disliked. She is to be encouraged to learn more about her topic. And part of that has to be how to understand and deal with the data. That she believe her life is destroyed is very sad, and I blame her parents for this.

     

    I am sure that her suicide attempts will be very well documented by the media with the help of her family.

    That is inappropriate.

    • #14
    • October 8, 2019, at 12:29 PM PST
    • Like
  15. Hugh Member

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Hugh (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    You know, I can’t decide whether to dislike or pity the young Miss Thunberg. She is quite a nasty little piece of work. I know that she is still a child, but not that much of a child. 16-year-olds are responsible for at least some of their behavior.

    She’s been fed a pack of lies, but she seems to have swallowed them hook, line, and sinker. She is exceptionally hysterical, angry, and unpleasant, and this has gotten her a great deal of attention.

    I’m reminded of one of my favorite lines from Londo Mollari in Babylon Five. Something like: “Ah, arrogance and stupidity, all in the same package. How efficient of you.”

    She is a 16 year old child with a disorder (Asperger, my niece has this, socially awkward), so not to be pitied or, certainly, disliked. She is to be encouraged to learn more about her topic. And part of that has to be how to understand and deal with the data. That she believe her life is destroyed is very sad, and I blame her parents for this.

     

    I am sure that her suicide attempts will be very well documented by the media with the help of her family.

    That is inappropriate.

    Nonsense. It tragically seems to be where this is heading.

    • #15
    • October 8, 2019, at 12:57 PM PST
    • 2 likes
  16. Taras Coolidge

    Hugh (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Hugh (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    You know, I can’t decide whether to dislike or pity the young Miss Thunberg. She is quite a nasty little piece of work. I know that she is still a child, but not that much of a child. 16-year-olds are responsible for at least some of their behavior.

    She’s been fed a pack of lies, but she seems to have swallowed them hook, line, and sinker. She is exceptionally hysterical, angry, and unpleasant, and this has gotten her a great deal of attention.

    I’m reminded of one of my favorite lines from Londo Mollari in Babylon Five. Something like: “Ah, arrogance and stupidity, all in the same package. How efficient of you.”

    She is a 16 year old child with a disorder (Asperger, my niece has this, socially awkward), so not to be pitied or, certainly, disliked. She is to be encouraged to learn more about her topic. And part of that has to be how to understand and deal with the data. That she believe her life is destroyed is very sad, and I blame her parents for this.

    I am sure that her suicide attempts will be very well documented by the media with the help of her family.

    That is inappropriate.

    Nonsense. It tragically seems to be where this is heading.

    Teaching psychologically vulnerable children to despair about the future —for some minor political advantage — has likely contributed to teen suicides already.

    Global warming alarmism directed at the young is a form of child abuse.

    • #16
    • October 8, 2019, at 1:16 PM PST
    • 3 likes
  17. Bill Nelson Member

    I am sure that her suicide attempts will be very well documented by the media with the help of her family.

    That is a very specific comment directed at a young person. Not appropriate. Very unkind.

     

    • #17
    • October 8, 2019, at 1:26 PM PST
    • Like
  18. Hugh Member

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    I am sure that her suicide attempts will be very well documented by the media with the help of her family.

    That is a very specific comment directed at a young person. Not appropriate. Very unkind.

     

    Agreed. But stating a truth nonetheless.

    • #18
    • October 8, 2019, at 1:32 PM PST
    • Like
  19. Bill Nelson Member

    Hugh (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    I am sure that her suicide attempts will be very well documented by the media with the help of her family.

    That is a very specific comment directed at a young person. Not appropriate. Very unkind.

     

    Agreed. But stating a truth nonetheless.

    You do not know the child’s actual mental state. One of the things that Asperger’s does is to make it difficult for the person to seem socially “normal”. My niece drives some, but will freakout if another car does something unexpected.

    Her parents can rightly be criticized, but not the child. If my 16 year old child did the same thing I would praise them for having the courage of their convictions (that takes a lot of guts, most adults would be totally tongue tied). Then try to educate them.

    But don’t pick on kids.

     

    • #19
    • October 8, 2019, at 1:41 PM PST
    • 1 like
  20. Hugh Member

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Hugh (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    I am sure that her suicide attempts will be very well documented by the media with the help of her family.

    That is a very specific comment directed at a young person. Not appropriate. Very unkind.

    Agreed. But stating a truth nonetheless.

    You do not know the child’s actual mental state. One of the things that Asperger’s does is to make it difficult for the person to seem socially “normal”. My niece drives some, but will freakout if another car does something unexpected.

    Her parents can rightly be criticized, but not the child. If my 16 year old child did the same thing I would praise them for having the courage of their convictions (that takes a lot of guts, most adults would be totally tongue tied). Then try to educate them.

    But don’t pick on kids.

    If this really bothers you i think you should flag me and have me suspended from ricochet.

    I’m not changing my position on what i think is happening here.

    • #20
    • October 8, 2019, at 1:47 PM PST
    • 1 like
  21. Randy Webster Member

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Hugh (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    I am sure that her suicide attempts will be very well documented by the media with the help of her family.

    That is a very specific comment directed at a young person. Not appropriate. Very unkind.

     

    Agreed. But stating a truth nonetheless.

    You do not know the child’s actual mental state. One of the things that Asperger’s does is to make it difficult for the person to seem socially “normal”. My niece drives some, but will freakout if another car does something unexpected.

    Her parents can rightly be criticized, but not the child. If my 16 year old child did the same thing I would praise them for having the courage of their convictions (that takes a lot of guts, most adults would be totally tongue tied). Then try to educate them.

    But don’t pick on kids.

     

    I don’t get this. There’s a 16 year old girl who’s espousing the destruction of my way of life, and I can’t criticize her? Her youth doesn’t protect her from the consequences of her folly.

    • #21
    • October 8, 2019, at 3:29 PM PST
    • 5 likes
  22. Basil Fawlty Member

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):
    But don’t pick on kids.

    Then don’t thrust kids into a situation where they are likely to be picked on.

    • #22
    • October 8, 2019, at 4:13 PM PST
    • 3 likes
  23. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    I am sure that her suicide attempts will be very well documented by the media with the help of her family.

    That is a very specific comment directed at a young person. Not appropriate. Very unkind.

     

    The truth tends to be that way. Especially where Democrats and children are concerned.

    • #23
    • October 8, 2019, at 4:44 PM PST
    • 3 likes
  24. Taras Coolidge

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Hugh (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    I am sure that her suicide attempts will be very well documented by the media with the help of her family.

    That is a very specific comment directed at a young person. Not appropriate. Very unkind.

     

    Agreed. But stating a truth nonetheless.

    You do not know the child’s actual mental state. One of the things that Asperger’s does is to make it difficult for the person to seem socially “normal”. My niece drives some, but will freakout if another car does something unexpected.

    Her parents can rightly be criticized, but not the child. If my 16 year old child did the same thing I would praise them for having the courage of their convictions (that takes a lot of guts, most adults would be totally tongue tied). Then try to educate them.

    But don’t pick on kids.

     

    I don’t get this. There’s a 16 year old girl who’s espousing the destruction of my way of life, and I can’t criticize her? Her youth doesn’t protect her from the consequences of her folly.

     When you attack her, you give progressives precisely the narrative they want: “loathsome, cellar-dwelling right wing trolls attack a sweet, idealistic young girl”.

     Instead, give anyone who takes her opinions seriously the ridicule they so richly deserve. 

    • #24
    • October 9, 2019, at 8:04 AM PST
    • 1 like
  25. Randy Webster Member

    Taras (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Hugh (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    I am sure that her suicide attempts will be very well documented by the media with the help of her family.

    That is a very specific comment directed at a young person. Not appropriate. Very unkind.

     

    Agreed. But stating a truth nonetheless.

    You do not know the child’s actual mental state. One of the things that Asperger’s does is to make it difficult for the person to seem socially “normal”. My niece drives some, but will freakout if another car does something unexpected.

    Her parents can rightly be criticized, but not the child. If my 16 year old child did the same thing I would praise them for having the courage of their convictions (that takes a lot of guts, most adults would be totally tongue tied). Then try to educate them.

    But don’t pick on kids.

     

    I don’t get this. There’s a 16 year old girl who’s espousing the destruction of my way of life, and I can’t criticize her? Her youth doesn’t protect her from the consequences of her folly.

    When you attack her, you give progressives precisely the narrative they want: “loathsome, cellar-dwelling right wing trolls attack a sweet, idealistic young girl”.

    Instead, give anyone who takes her opinions seriously the ridicule they so richly deserve.

    No one who saw her speech at the UN can think of her as sweet and idealistic.

    • #25
    • October 9, 2019, at 9:11 AM PST
    • 3 likes
  26. Taras Coolidge

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Hugh (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    I am sure that her suicide attempts will be very well documented by the media with the help of her family.

    That is a very specific comment directed at a young person. Not appropriate. Very unkind.

     

    Agreed. But stating a truth nonetheless.

    You do not know the child’s actual mental state. One of the things that Asperger’s does is to make it difficult for the person to seem socially “normal”. My niece drives some, but will freakout if another car does something unexpected.

    Her parents can rightly be criticized, but not the child. If my 16 year old child did the same thing I would praise them for having the courage of their convictions (that takes a lot of guts, most adults would be totally tongue tied). Then try to educate them.

    But don’t pick on kids.

     

    I don’t get this. There’s a 16 year old girl who’s espousing the destruction of my way of life, and I can’t criticize her? Her youth doesn’t protect her from the consequences of her folly.

    When you attack her, you give progressives precisely the narrative they want: “loathsome, cellar-dwelling right wing trolls attack a sweet, idealistic young girl”.

    Instead, give anyone who takes her opinions seriously the ridicule they so richly deserve.

    No one who saw her speech at the UN can think of her as sweet and idealistic.

    I find her endearingly silly. Guy, this stuff is comedy gold! We’ll be watching her speech and laughing our heads off for years to come.

    • #26
    • October 9, 2019, at 9:31 AM PST
    • Like
  27. Bill Nelson Member

    Randy Webster (View Comment):
    I don’t get this. There’s a 16 year old girl who’s espousing the destruction of my way of life, and I can’t criticize her? Her youth doesn’t protect her from the consequences of her folly.

    I don’t think any 16 or 18 year old is a threat to anyone or anything. They are kids, and they are often used by adults.

     

    • #27
    • October 9, 2019, at 11:51 AM PST
    • 1 like
  28. Miffed White Male Member

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):
    I don’t get this. There’s a 16 year old girl who’s espousing the destruction of my way of life, and I can’t criticize her? Her youth doesn’t protect her from the consequences of her folly.

    I don’t think any 16 or 18 year old is a threat to anyone or anything. They are kids, and they are often used by adults.

     

    How many 16-year-olds address the [redacted] UN?

     

    • #28
    • October 9, 2019, at 12:24 PM PST
    • 2 likes
  29. Basil Fawlty Member

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):
    I don’t get this. There’s a 16 year old girl who’s espousing the destruction of my way of life, and I can’t criticize her? Her youth doesn’t protect her from the consequences of her folly.

    I don’t think any 16 or 18 year old is a threat to anyone or anything. They are kids, and they are often used by adults.

     

    Lee Boyd Malvo?

    • #29
    • October 9, 2019, at 12:31 PM PST
    • Like
  30. Man With the Axe Member

    I don’t think Greta’s age or place on the spectrum or any other characteristic is relevant to how people should react to her. 

    She is a hysterical person, and has been for years. She is, for reasons obscure to me, able to create a contagion of hysteria amongst the youth of the world. 

    She is contributing in a major way to a movement that could cause untold misery because of its wrongheadedness. There is no reason to treat her with kid gloves. 

    • #30
    • October 9, 2019, at 10:15 PM PST
    • 2 likes
  1. 1
  2. 2