A Reminder: Google lies

 

DuckDuckGo over GoogleRemember the side-by-side search engine results in the 2016 election? Google has not changed, and if anything, they have gone from thumbs to whole hands all over the balance of search results. Here are the results for a phrase that might produce factual results unhelpful to Google and their fellow Democrats:

“Democrats asked Ukraine to investigate Trump” *

Google gives us this ordered list:

Google lies

Note that you get absolutely no hint that there might be poor motives or behavior by Democrats that directly contradicts the party, its media organs, and Google. Here, within a minute of the Google search, are the DuckDuckGo results:

Notice that the top DuckDuckGo result is from the Federalist, and the second result is from the leftist Snopes. So, you really do get answers from both sides in DuckDuckGo. They actually trust you to make up your own mind, unlike the leftists at Google who are determined to engineer permanent government by the right people. This is the face of real “election meddling” and “collusion.”** Switch your browser’s default search engine in the settings menu, if you want politically unbiased results. Google lies.


* I was tipped to this search today by an Andrew Klavan podcast. My results are different but consistent with his claims.

** I think it is past time to play hardball. President Trump should publish an executive order mandating the immediate change of search engine in all executive branch computer browsers. This is accomplished by a centralized admin policy code pushed out from one or a few central computers nightly.

The president should note that Google admits skewing results and that the results are grossly inaccurate as a representation of the real world in which American citizens live, express opinions, and vote. Government workers should have the most accurate representation of real opinion, not partisan slant.

For additional security, delete the Chrome browser so Google loses that source of spying on the government. Howls from the Democrats and their TruCon lapdogs would prompt an unprecedented level of awareness of what Google and their leftist allies are doing on people’s computers, tablets, and smartphones. It would have far greater and faster effect than months of kabuki theater in Congressional committees. It might just hit Google’s share of browser searches hard enough to defeat their 2020 election manipulation scheme.

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  1. Clifford A. Brown Contributor
    Clifford A. Brown Post author

    I am having problems today accessing any Ricochet Group, so am limited to comments on topic here.

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    • October 2, 2019, at 6:49 PM PDT
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  2. Arahant Member

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    I am having problems today accessing any Ricochet Group, so am limited to comments on topic here.

    Ricochet has been a bit up and down today.

    • #2
    • October 2, 2019, at 6:54 PM PDT
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  3. DonG Coolidge

    Google is feeding you Leftist results based on your past history of enjoying the Leftist perspective in your internet browsing. /s

    Search “Robert Epstein” and his research will make your head explode. Note, don’t use Google.

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    • October 2, 2019, at 7:18 PM PDT
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  4. RightAngles Member

    It’s quite shocking. Something has to be done. This, along with the out-and-out lies on the “news” shows, is a coordinated disinformation campaign worthy of the old Soviet Union and Pravda. I never thought I’d see this in America.

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    • October 2, 2019, at 7:27 PM PDT
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  5. The Reticulator Member

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    I am having problems today accessing any Ricochet Group, so am limited to comments on topic here.

    Ricochet has been a bit up and down today.

    I haven’t noticed any problems. Maybe it’s just a problem with the unsavory hangouts where respectable people don’t go.

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    • October 2, 2019, at 7:30 PM PDT
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  6. Arahant Member

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    I am having problems today accessing any Ricochet Group, so am limited to comments on topic here.

    Ricochet has been a bit up and down today.

    I haven’t noticed any problems. Maybe it’s just a problem with the unsavory hangouts where respectable people don’t go.

    You mean the Member Feed and Three Martini Lunch?

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    • October 2, 2019, at 7:33 PM PDT
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  7. Percival Thatcher

    DuckDuckGo on one browser, Bing on another.

    Top result is Vox? Vox? Vox employs writers who think that there is a bridge between Gaza and the West Bank. Vox is written for people who move their lips when they read.

     

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    • October 2, 2019, at 7:33 PM PDT
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  8. Hartmann von Aue Member

    Percival (View Comment):

    DuckDuckGo on one browser, Bing on another.

    Top result is Vox? Vox? Vox employs writers who think that there is a bridge between Gaza and the West Bank. Vox is written for people who move their lips when they read.

     

    Bing? Percy, Bing is the porn search engine. Stay away. 

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    • October 3, 2019, at 4:21 AM PDT
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  9. Juliana Member

    I am using DuckDuckGo, but am looking for a new news site. Right now I have Fox News and Drudge, but every other story, sometimes on both, is about some celebrity nonsense. (1. I don’t know who most of these people are, and 2. I don’t care.) You get about 5-8 real news stories. I am more interested in news, rather than opinion. Any suggestions?

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    • October 3, 2019, at 6:36 AM PDT
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  10. Percival Thatcher

    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    DuckDuckGo on one browser, Bing on another.

    Top result is Vox? Vox? Vox employs writers who think that there is a bridge between Gaza and the West Bank. Vox is written for people who move their lips when they read.

     

    Bing? Percy, Bing is the porn search engine. Stay away.

    It is part of my ongoing investigation of Rule 34.

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    • October 3, 2019, at 6:51 AM PDT
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  11. TallCon Coolidge

    Clifford A. Brown:

    ** I think it is past time to play hardball. President Trump should publish an executive order mandating the immediate change of search engine in all executive branch computer browsers…

    That sounds surprisingly realistic. It’s even within the President’s powers, right?

    It also sidesteps the (IMHO) ridiculous cries of “Google has a monopoly!” No, Google is popular. It’s not the same thing.

    I’m not sure Duck Duck Go would want to be “The Trump Search Engine” but you never know.

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    • October 3, 2019, at 9:50 AM PDT
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  12. Stina Member

    Juliana (View Comment):

    I am using DuckDuckGo, but am looking for a new news site. Right now I have Fox News and Drudge, but every other story, sometimes on both, is about some celebrity nonsense. (1. I don’t know who most of these people are, and 2. I don’t care.) You get about 5-8 real news stories. I am more interested in news, rather than opinion. Any suggestions?

    I’ve been using infogalactic news as an aggregator (like Drudge).

    It’s ok. Your miles may vary.

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    • October 3, 2019, at 10:06 AM PDT
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  13. Bill Nelson Member

    Search algorithms vary. For example:

    One algorithm would search pages for the individual words, and do aggregates from there. Another may first use phrases, then aggregate from there.

    I use these to search for technical documents and you learn how to enter the various search elements. So the google response you show would not be dissimilar to a search result for a technical topic. Google applies times and weights from previous searches. Advertisers pay google to adjust the weights.

    So if I want to sell Jeep vehicle, I can pay google a sufficient advertisers fee such that almost any search that may resolve to any vehicle pops up my site first.

    And yes, it can be manipulated for non-advertiser purposes. It is a private company, they are free to do that. You need to know how to use the tool.

     

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    • October 3, 2019, at 10:25 AM PDT
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  14. The Reticulator Member

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):
    And yes, it can be manipulated for non-advertiser purposes. It is a private company, they are free to do that. You need to know how to use the tool.

    Google forfeited the right to be treated as a private company when it went to that meeting with Obama on how to deal with terrorist narratives (i.e how to shut down U.S. dissent).

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    • October 3, 2019, at 11:56 AM PDT
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  15. Arahant Member

    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):
    Bing? Percy, Bing is the porn search engine. Stay away. 

    And you know this how?

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    • October 3, 2019, at 11:57 AM PDT
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  16. Bill Nelson Member

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):
    And yes, it can be manipulated for non-advertiser purposes. It is a private company, they are free to do that. You need to know how to use the tool.

    Google forfeited the right to be treated as a private company when it went to that meeting with Obama on how to deal with terrorist narratives (i.e how to shut down U.S. dissent).

    No, they did not.

    If google had a meeting with a president and told them that they could shut down viewing access to dissent, that also is not illegal and does not constitute surrender of rights.

     

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    • October 3, 2019, at 12:12 PM PDT
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  17. The Reticulator Member

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):
    And yes, it can be manipulated for non-advertiser purposes. It is a private company, they are free to do that. You need to know how to use the tool.

    Google forfeited the right to be treated as a private company when it went to that meeting with Obama on how to deal with terrorist narratives (i.e how to shut down U.S. dissent).

    No, they did not.

    If google had a meeting with a president and told them that they could shut down viewing access to dissent, that also is not illegal and does not constitute surrender of rights.

     

    I say they did, and that we should treat Google accordingly. The fact that Obama even had that meeting with tech companies should have been the biggest outrage of the eight years of the Obama administration, complete with moves to impeach, but I guess conservatives were too busy being outraged by other things. 

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    • October 3, 2019, at 12:16 PM PDT
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  18. Arahant Member

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):
    You need to know how to use the tool.

    Or how not to use the tool.

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    • October 3, 2019, at 12:19 PM PDT
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  19. CarolJoy, Above Top Secret Coolidge

    Using Google for search was once a thing of ease and beauty.

    I could google the research done by the scientists at the Univ of Caen in France, and find out exactly how they decided to model their study of GM food’s effects on rodents. I could read their papers. I could find out how to contact them.

    Within eighteen months of their research, it was no longer possible to get through to the original reports unless you waded through some 26 pages of google results on how these researchers were frauds.

    To have citations by which those claims could be made, the original science journal that had published these researchers works had been overhauled. Some of the reporters and the main editors had been replaced, by the very people the Big Agro folks wanted to have in charge. Then that same publication reported that their study and its findings were bogus.

    Google is now a mere shill for Large Corporations, especially Big Pharma, and the LW oligarchs they want in charge. It is possible that Trump could get more favorable Google results, if he divested himself of a half billion and paid for Google to be friendly toward him. Of course even that is not a sure thing.

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    • October 3, 2019, at 12:27 PM PDT
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  20. Barfly Member

    CarolJoy, Above Top Secret (View Comment):
    Google is now a mere shill for Large Corporations

    Agreed, but isn’t the paper you mention exposed as a hit job on Big Ag, GMO, and Roundup? 

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    • October 3, 2019, at 12:39 PM PDT
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  21. CarolJoy, Above Top Secret Coolidge

    Barfly (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Above Top Secret (View Comment):
    Google is now a mere shill for Large Corporations

    Agreed, but isn’t the paper you mention exposed as a hit job on Big Ag, GMO, and Roundup?

    It was a hit on Big Ag, and GMO and RoundUp. A scientific hit.

    Which is why it is so hard to find right now.

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    • October 3, 2019, at 12:43 PM PDT
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  22. CarolJoy, Above Top Secret Coolidge

    Mint press has put up a GoFundme account to crush the social media censorship.

    Mint press might not be everyone’s cup of tea, but they publish news stories others will not touch.

    Some people must want to see them around,as they not only captured their request for 25K, current results show them exceeding that by 12,000 smackeroos.

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    • October 3, 2019, at 12:45 PM PDT
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  23. CarolJoy, Above Top Secret Coolidge

    Barfly (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Above Top Secret (View Comment):
    Google is now a mere shill for Large Corporations

    Agreed, but isn’t the paper you mention exposed as a hit job on Big Ag, GMO, and Roundup?

    And again, the expose involved removing from their jobs the editors and reporters involved in letting the public know about the research done by the scientists at Caen.

    It is always bewildering to me when a small group of people come forward with indications that there is a real problem with some modern day “saving grace” technology, that rther than the industry being examined coming forth to work on the problem, the black listing of those doing that probe are tarnished and then the case is closed.

    For instance, Michael Belkin is slammed by the vaccine industry for his very thoughtfully done statistical work on the hep B vaccine, a vaccine which killed his five week old daughter the evening after that vaccine was injected into her. This man was a world class statistician, who worked for various Wall Street firms. Yet rather than the vaccine industry saying, ” Well if anyone’s work should be given a smidge of respect and have his findings heeded, it is this man.” And “After all, we as an industry have billions in profits to re-do his stats and make sure that if his findings are correct, then we will not give this vaccine to one day olds any more, as there should never be another parent who has to bury his daughter from the brain swelling injuries our vaccine caused her,” he became a pariah.

    As far as GM foods, some things to consider:

    Nations across the globe no longer want our RoundUp tainted wheat. What do their scientists know that our government refuses to acknowledge?

    People in the USA are forced to consume RoundUp tainted wheat, as even the organic wheat now has up to 30% of its volume in grain contaminated by RoundUp. As a result our society is witnessing an epidemic of people who have no appetite control, who have continual bloating, bouts of constipation and diarrhea and other problems. But no worries: a number of expensive prescription meds are on the market to help people deal with how awful Gm food really is for their systems. For poorer people, they can turn to over the counter things like prilosec and Zantac.

    Sure my parent’s generation had to have anti acids if they ate spicy foods. But why should eating some crackers or a piece of bread leave a person doubled over in pain?

     

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  24. Stina Member

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):
    And yes, it can be manipulated for non-advertiser purposes. It is a private company, they are free to do that. You need to know how to use the tool.

    Google forfeited the right to be treated as a private company when it went to that meeting with Obama on how to deal with terrorist narratives (i.e how to shut down U.S. dissent).

    No, they did not.

    If google had a meeting with a president and told them that they could shut down viewing access to dissent, that also is not illegal and does not constitute surrender of rights.

     

    These private businesses gained in popular use because they were a way to get information and people trusted the information the got.

    If Google, the NYT, WaPo, et al had begun life as they are currently incarnated, they would be at tabloid status and have nowhere near the stature they now milk to be propagandists, controlling the information that the vast majority of the populace receives.

    Why this doesn’t bother certain members of the right has me dumbfounded.

    Really, you still trust the information you get from them when you absolutely shouldn’t. 

    I called Obama the greatest achievement of the media. He was their King. It proved how powerful they had become that they took a political nobody and successfully played Kingmaker. Trump was the backlash to that – I guess a lot of people saw the media had grown too big for their britches.

    Just because they aren’t the government doesn’t mean they get carte blanche to rule over us, and controlling the information we receive is the ultimate form of control, especially in a Democracy (yeah yeah, republic shmublic. The republic is dead, get over it).

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  25. The Reticulator Member

    CarolJoy, Above Top Secret (View Comment):
    As far as GM foods, some things to consider:

    I am always suspicious when the issue comes down to GMOs, good or bad. It’s like saying, “Car repairs, good or bad?” In order to address the issue I’d want to know which GMO is being discussed. When people don’t do that I don’t take them seriously.

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  26. Stina Member

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Above Top Secret (View Comment):
    As far as GM foods, some things to consider:

    I am always suspicious when the issue comes down to GMOs, good or bad. It’s like saying, “Car repairs, good or bad?” In order to address the issue I’d want to know which GMO is being discussed. When people don’t do that I don’t take them seriously.

    You mean, there’s a difference between replacing brake pads on a 80k mile vehicle vs a transmission on a 150k vehicle?

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  27. Slow on the uptake Thatcher

    Juliana (View Comment):

    I am using DuckDuckGo, but am looking for a new news site. Right now I have Fox News and Drudge, but every other story, sometimes on both, is about some celebrity nonsense. (1. I don’t know who most of these people are, and 2. I don’t care.) You get about 5-8 real news stories. I am more interested in news, rather than opinion. Any suggestions?

    @juliana somebody here once recommended OANN.COM to me and I’ve been going there since. It’s OK but I’m not thrilled because they mostly do just video reporting and not so much written articles. ‘druther read.

    Gotten to where I don’t do Drudge much – once upon a long time ago I would have said who needs anything more.

    To be honest, Ricochet is my favorite info source.

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  28. Clifford A. Brown Contributor
    Clifford A. Brown Post author

    Slow on the uptake (View Comment):
    To be honest, Ricochet is my favorite info source.

    Hurray! Now, I would suggest RealClear[Politics/Markets/World/…] as an evenhanded news aggregator/polling aggregator that has also grown original reporting talent. Consider this snapshot:

    RCP

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  29. Slow on the uptake Thatcher

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Slow on the uptake (View Comment):
    To be honest, Ricochet is my favorite info source.

    Hurray! Now, I would suggest RealClear[Politics/Markets/World/…] as an evenhanded news aggregator/polling aggregator that has also grown original reporting talent. Consider this snapshot:

    RCP

    Shoulda thunka them! Used to go there first but years ago sort of drifted away, except for the links on here, which remind me of them. Will add to my news favorites now.

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  30. Hartmann von Aue Member

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):
    Bing? Percy, Bing is the porn search engine. Stay away.

    And you know this how?

    Take a wild guess what the image search results looked like when I did a search for a character name from of all things “Avatar: The Last Airbender TV Series”. Or “Scuba Diving in the Mediterranean”. It seems to re-set the safe search filter to “nothing” every time you shut down your browser. 

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