Schiff Knew of Ukraine Whistleblower’s Complaint Before It Was Filed

 

The New York Times has reported that Trump bête noire Rep. Adam Schiff (D–CA) knew about the Ukraine whistleblower’s complaint before it was filed. This revelation gives the president’s supporters more evidence that the anonymous CIA officer’s filing is a partisan effort.

Two weeks ago, Schiff claimed on MSNBC that he hadn’t spoken with the whistleblower. Well, his phrasing was a bit more lawyerly than that:

“We have not spoken directly with the whistleblower,” Schiff said on Sept. 17. The “we” and “directly” seem to be doing the heavy lifting here.

In Wednesday’s Times article, Schiff spokesman Patrick Boland admitted: “like other whistleblowers have done before and since under Republican and Democratic-controlled committees, the whistleblower contacted the committee for guidance on how to report possible wrongdoing within the jurisdiction of the intelligence community.”

And the whistleblower just happened to consult the most impeachment-happy member of Congress.

The White House was quick to react:

In a news conference in the East Room of the White House after this article was published, Mr. Trump called it a scandal that Mr. Schiff knew the outlines of the whistle-blower’s accusations before he filed his complaint.

“Big stuff. That’s a big story,” Mr. Trump said, waving a copy of the article in the air. “He knew long before and helped write it, too. It’s a scam,” the president added, accusing Mr. Schiff of helping the whistle-blower write his complaint. There is no evidence that Mr. Schiff did, and his spokesman said he saw no part of the complaint before it was filed.

The whistle-blower’s decision to offer what amounted to an early warning to the intelligence committee’s Democrats is also sure to thrust Mr. Schiff even more forcefully into the center of the controversy.

On Wednesday, Mr. Trump said Mr. Schiff should be forced to resign for reading a parody of the Ukraine call at a hearing, an act Mr. Trump has called treasonous and criminal.

“We don’t call him shifty Schiff for nothing,” said Mr. Trump. “He’s a shifty dishonest guy.”

Despite the blockbuster revelation, the Times piece subtly implies that Schiff and his office did nothing wrong while it casts the President in an unflattering light. This leads me to believe that the California congressman fed this news to the NYT before it was revealed by a more skeptical outlet.

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  1. Ed G. Member
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    Yes, when the MSM like Chuck Todd can be so brazenly disinterested in things that need to be questioned, then President Trump’s only recourse is a strenuous offense. Where are the reinforcements though? Once again, this needs to be the only thing that Republicans will discuss – i.e. how the Democrats are ignoring real evidence of corruption, how the Democrats want to squelch real investigation into the origins of the Russia colluuuuusion Hoax, how the democrats are trying to cover their own asses from exposure to lying, corruption, and gross abuse of power.

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  2. EDISONPARKS Member
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):
    Once again, we see Trump asking for a foreign government to “investigate” a US citizen. That is an abuse of power.

    I’m not sure about the “once again.” What was the first time?

    Also, what makes this an abuse of power? If our government officials are shown to have meddled in the affairs of other countries (and Biden actually bragged about threatening Ukraine), why is it wrong for our President to ask for an investigation?

    That “abuse of power” line is tossed out there as if it’s self-evident. It’s not.

    In this whole affair, I still haven’t heard a good reason why it’s wrong for two nations to work together to uncover wrongdoing? Whether it’s Biden’s little extortion gambit, or Ukraine’s involvement in our elections.

    Haven’t we been told for three years that Russia meddled in our elections, and this is bad bad bad! So the President asks the Ukraine to look into it, and now that’s the bad thing?

    We must be living in an alternative universe. The only factual evidence of a quid pro quo with Ukraine happens to have come from Joe Biden and the Obama administration, and yet Trump, who asked to investigate a crime, is the one on trial.

    Where is creepy Joe anyway? Notice how he’s disappeared.

    Ace of Spades just posted a clip of Chuck Todd characterizing the president as publicly soliciting foreign governments to interfere in the 2020 election. It’s just astounding to me: Chuck Todd is skipping a few steps, the biggest being that it’s not illegitimate if the Bidens were corrupt – and I think it’s at least worth inquiry because the appearance is that they certainly were corrupt. That is worth investigating; that is identifiable cause to investigate. It would be obvious if this were Ivanka on the hook instead of Biden Jr.

    It is astonishing the collective Chuck’s of the MSM appear to have no idea they urinate over their entire “Trump is really, really bad and this time we gottem” narrative when they continue do the drive by “nothing to see here folks” of: HRC’s computer antics, the FBI/DOJ/IC’s malfeasance, the Kavanaugh travesty,  and the Biden family’s  at least blatant appearance of corruption, etc.

    If the MSM sincerely wants to gain back any credibility and  get the center right to believe the MSM is not corrupted, then the MSM will have to …. stop being corrupted.

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  3. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):
    Once again, we see Trump asking for a foreign government to “investigate” a US citizen. That is an abuse of power.

    I’m not sure about the “once again.” What was the first time?

    Also, what makes this an abuse of power? If our government officials are shown to have meddled in the affairs of other countries (and Biden actually bragged about threatening Ukraine), why is it wrong for our President to ask for an investigation?

    That “abuse of power” line is tossed out there as if it’s self-evident. It’s not.

    In this whole affair, I still haven’t heard a good reason why it’s wrong for two nations to work together to uncover wrongdoing? Whether it’s Biden’s little extortion gambit, or Ukraine’s involvement in our elections.

    Haven’t we been told for three years that Russia meddled in our elections, and this is bad bad bad! So the President asks the Ukraine to look into it, and now that’s the bad thing?

    Once again the (D)/MSM/Culture combine have lugged out the “working with a foreign government to effect US election” concept …. because after 3 years of proving the “election interference” concept origins were a fabrication of the FBI/DOJ/IC (probably the charming John Brennan), and that there never was any “working with a foreign government to effect US election”, the fine folks of the (D)/MSM/Culture club have in fact succeeded in planting concept into the melons of the US citizenry that ANY ACT peripheral, unintentional, part of the responsibility of the office, which can possibly be interpreted as “working with a foreign government to effect US election” is ….if not criminal …. then certainly impeachable.

    And do you know why we all believe this: Because the (D)/MSM/John Brennan/James Comey/Andrew McCabe/Rachel Maddow/Fredo Cuomo/Brian Stelter/Joe Scarborrough/Stephen Colbert/Robert DeNiro/I could go on …. Say So.

    So the people who really matter have decreed and now we must must obey and believe what they tell us to believe.

    Do you have something against /Jonah?

    I was only including those in the MSM/Culture combine to whom the consuming public know exist.

    Don’t underestimate the power of the wiggle/giggle.

    Indeed; as they regard walking/talking, they make the world go ’round. 

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  4. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    So the fact that the whistleblower “contacted the committee for guidance” is, somehow, not evidence that Mr. Schiff helped the whistleblower write his complaint?

    No I don’t think one is evidence of the other. It’s not a crazy idea, but it doesn’t necessarily follow.

    On the part of the NYT, there is also no evidence of whatever the accusation is, and in fairness they should have stated that too in the same way that they declare Trump’s speculation to be BS.

    Ed, your response seems overly credulous.

    I did complain about lack of follow-up by the NYT. But look at the context. An official spokesman for Schiff says that the leaking-leaker (I mean whistleblower) “contacted the committee for guidance.” Maybe this was only an inquiry, and no such guidance was given. But then, why not say so? Why not say something like: “The leaking-leaker contacted the committee for guidance, which he should not have done. The committee gave no guidance beyond suggesting that the leaking-leaker report his allegations to the appropriate executive authorities.”

    Jerry, I’m not going to the mats over this, but I stand by what I said: the fact of contact is not proof that Schiff helped write the complaint. I’m not sure what you think I’m overly credulous about. I don’t credit anyone with credulity, least of all Schiff. However, nor am I willing to insist that my own reasonable speculation is as good as true.

    Ed, I think that our disagreement is with your assertion that the fact of contact with the committee is not “evidence.”  It is evidence.  It is not conclusive evidence, but it is some evidence.

    There is a tendency, in discussions of this time, to claim that there is “no evidence” of something, when in fact there is some evidence that is not conclusive.

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  5. Ed G. Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    So the fact that the whistleblower “contacted the committee for guidance” is, somehow, not evidence that Mr. Schiff helped the whistleblower write his complaint?

    No I don’t think one is evidence of the other. It’s not a crazy idea, but it doesn’t necessarily follow.

    On the part of the NYT, there is also no evidence of whatever the accusation is, and in fairness they should have stated that too in the same way that they declare Trump’s speculation to be BS.

    Ed, your response seems overly credulous.

    I did complain about lack of follow-up by the NYT. But look at the context. An official spokesman for Schiff says that the leaking-leaker (I mean whistleblower) “contacted the committee for guidance.” Maybe this was only an inquiry, and no such guidance was given. But then, why not say so? Why not say something like: “The leaking-leaker contacted the committee for guidance, which he should not have done. The committee gave no guidance beyond suggesting that the leaking-leaker report his allegations to the appropriate executive authorities.”

    Jerry, I’m not going to the mats over this, but I stand by what I said: the fact of contact is not proof that Schiff helped write the complaint. I’m not sure what you think I’m overly credulous about. I don’t credit anyone with credulity, least of all Schiff. However, nor am I willing to insist that my own reasonable speculation is as good as true.

    Ed, I think that our disagreement is with your assertion that the fact of contact with the committee is not “evidence.” It is evidence. It is not conclusive evidence, but it is some evidence.

    There is a tendency, in discussions of this time, to claim that there is “no evidence” of something, when in fact there is some evidence that is not conclusive.

    You’re right about that being the friction point. I still don’t think that contact is any evidence that Schiff wrote the complaint. Yes, it’s a necessary condition for the theory to be true but it’s not at all suggestive of the nature of the contact.

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  6. Bill Nelson Inactive
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    Ed G. (View Comment):
    if Joe Biden had a Ukrainian prosecutor fired

    This was a policy goal of western governments. The state prosecutor was seen as a major road block.

    There was not an investigation into Burisma, there was an investigation into the guy who company owned Burisma. This was eventually settled when he paid his back taxes.

    Was Hunter trading on his name? Absolutely. Was Burisma trying to curry favor with the V.P.? Absolutely. Is any of this illegal? No.

    But again, if your defense is that the other guy is just as bad, you have no defense. And now Trump is openly asking both China and the Ukraine to investigate.

    Supporters defended Trump during the Mueller investigation by saying Trump would never do that (collude). And now he is openly calling for foreign governments to insert themselves into the 2020 election.

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  7. DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader Member
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    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Supporters defended Trump during the Mueller investigation by saying Trump would never do that (collude). And now he is openly calling for foreign governments to insert themselves into the 2020 election.

    No, he’s asking for cooperation in investigating possible illegal actions by members of our political class. Calling it an attempt to influence an election is a rather shaky conclusion. The election was still 16 months away at the time of the phone call.

    But I guess that’s the only thing the Trump-haters have.

    Why are people allegedly on our side so anxious to help the Democrats spread their lies? Maybe they’re not on our side after all.

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  8. EDISONPARKS Member
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    @user_54742

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):
    if Joe Biden had a Ukrainian prosecutor fired

    This was a policy goal of western governments. The state prosecutor was seen as a major road block.

    There was not an investigation into Burisma, there was an investigation into the guy who company owned Burisma. This was eventually settled when he paid his back taxes.

    Was Hunter trading on his name? Absolutely. Was Burisma trying to curry favor with the V.P.? Absolutely. Is any of this illegal? No.

    But again, if your defense is that the other guy is just as bad, you have no defense. And now Trump is openly asking both China and the Ukraine to investigate.

    Supporters defended Trump during the Mueller investigation by saying Trump would never do that (collude). And now he is openly calling for foreign governments to insert themselves into the 2020 election.

    So …. The Biden’s skate because any request by the incumbent administration for an investigation of an opposition party Presidential primary candidates alleged wrong doing in a foreign country, is automatically inferred to be interfering with the Presidential election …

    Can you say awesome!

    Are there any alleged crimes where you feel this get out of jail free pass “loop hole” should be waved, or is this an all encompassing any crimes (ie: murder, rape, robbery, etc.)?

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  9. Percival Thatcher
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    @Percival

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):
    if Joe Biden had a Ukrainian prosecutor fired

    This was a policy goal of western governments. The state prosecutor was seen as a major road block.

    Do you suppose that if Burisima could dump $50 large in Hunter’s pockets that they couldn’t spread the graft around a bit wider? Who exactly is it that says that his removal was also a goal of our “allies?” anyway? Maybe I missed it, but our “allies” seem to be uncharacteristically quiet about it at the moment. If the foreign minister of Whogivesastan had announced that Viktor Shokin was a latter-day Hinky-Dink Kenna, the MSM would have told me by now.

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  10. Jon1979 Inactive
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    @Jon1979

    Percival (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):
    if Joe Biden had a Ukrainian prosecutor fired

    This was a policy goal of western governments. The state prosecutor was seen as a major road block.

    Do you suppose that if Burisima could dump $50 large in Hunter’s pockets that they couldn’t spread the graft around a bit wider? Who exactly is it that says that his removal was also a goal of our “allies?” anyway? Maybe I missed it, but our “allies” seem to be uncharacteristically quiet about it at the moment. If the foreign minister of Whogivesastan had announced that Viktor Shokin was a latter-day Hinky-Dink Kenna, the MSM would have told me by now.

    What I want to know is why I haven’t seen Hunter Biden out here in the Permian Basin of West Texas at the behest of the area’s oil companies. I mean, even with his coke-and-meth problems that might have made him not the most reliable employee to engage, the man has to be a genius about the ins-and-outs of the oil and gas industry if a big foreign company like Burisma is willing to cough up $600,000 a year for him to impart his vast trove of petrochemical legal and technical knowledge to them.

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  11. Unsk Member
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    @Unsk

    “Was Hunter trading on his name? Absolutely. Was Burisma trying to curry favor with the V.P.? Absolutely. Is any of this illegal? No.”

    Perhaps, but then there is the issue that Biden used his influence to get the Prosecutor General Shokin who was investigating his son’s involvement with Burisma fired. Remember Biden was the designated “point man” in the Obama Adminstration’s diplomatic relations with Ukraine and a man of great influence with American – Ukrainian  policy. He used that power as an American  public official  to influence internal Ukrainian affairs in support of his son.  I would hope that is very illegal. 

    Slo Jo was even caught on tape:

    “In his own words, with video cameras rolling, Biden described how he threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.

    “I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,’” Biden recalled telling Poroshenko.

    “Well, son of a bitch, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time,” Biden told the Council on Foreign Relations event, insisting that President Obama was in on the threat.”

    From Debra Heine at American Greatness:

    “documents gathered by the Hill’s John Solomon greatly contradict Biden and his defenders’ narrative about the firing.

    Solomon revealed Thursday evening on Fox News that he has gathered over 450 pages of never-released memos and documents from Burisma’s American legal representatives, the State Department, the Ukraine Prosecutor General’s Office, and the Ukraine Embassy in Washington DC.

    “There is an enormous body of documents—on the record statements from Ukraine authorities—that these issues occurred,” Solomon told Fox News Host Sean Hannity.

    According to one Ukrainian government official memo, a few days after Biden forced Shokin’s ouster, Burisma’s American legal team met with Ukrainian officials and offered “an apology for dissemination of false information by U.S. representatives and public figures” about the Ukrainian prosecutors.”

    “According to a sworn affidavit prepared for a European court, Shokin said that he was told in March of 2016 that the reason he was fired was because Biden was unhappy about the Burisma investigation. “The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings, a natural gas firm active in Ukraine and Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors,” Shokin testified.”

     

     

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  12. Ed G. Member
    Ed G.
    @EdG

    Percival (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):
    if Joe Biden had a Ukrainian prosecutor fired

    This was a policy goal of western governments. The state prosecutor was seen as a major road block.

    Do you suppose that if Burisima could dump $50 large in Hunter’s pockets that they couldn’t spread the graft around a bit wider? Who exactly is it that says that his removal was also a goal of our “allies?” anyway? Maybe I missed it, but our “allies” seem to be uncharacteristically quiet about it at the moment. If the foreign minister of Whogivesastan had announced that Viktor Shokin was a latter-day Hinky-Dink Kenna, the MSM would have told me by now.

    Exactly. Why should we trust that conventional wisdom? Why should we trust that even if it were the policy that that policy wasn’t driven by the free money machine that Ukrainian corporate boards apparently were?

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  13. Ed G. Member
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    @EdG

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):
    if Joe Biden had a Ukrainian prosecutor fired

    This was a policy goal of western governments. The state prosecutor was seen as a major road block.

    There was not an investigation into Burisma, there was an investigation into the guy who company owned Burisma. This was eventually settled when he paid his back taxes.

    Sure, and Michael Jackson settled all of his problems too. Must mean he wasn’t schtupping kids then. Right?

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  14. Manny Coolidge
    Manny
    @Manny

    Unsk (View Comment):

    “Was Hunter trading on his name? Absolutely. Was Burisma trying to curry favor with the V.P.? Absolutely. Is any of this illegal? No.”

    Perhaps, but then there is the issue that Biden used his influence to get the Prosecutor General Shokin who was investigating his son’s involvement with Burisma fired. Remember Biden was the designated “point man” in the Obama Adminstration’s diplomatic relations with Ukraine and a man of great influence with American – Ukrainian policy. He used that power as an American public official to influence internal Ukrainian affairs in support of his son. I would hope that is very illegal.

    Slo Jo was even caught on tape:

    “In his own words, with video cameras rolling, Biden described how he threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.

    “I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,’” Biden recalled telling Poroshenko.

    “Well, son of a bitch, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time,” Biden told the Council on Foreign Relations event, insisting that President Obama was in on the threat.”

    From Debra Heine at American Greatness:

    “documents gathered by the Hill’s John Solomon greatly contradict Biden and his defenders’ narrative about the firing.

    Solomon revealed Thursday evening on Fox News that he has gathered over 450 pages of never-released memos and documents from Burisma’s American legal representatives, the State Department, the Ukraine Prosecutor General’s Office, and the Ukraine Embassy in Washington DC.

    “There is an enormous body of documents—on the record statements from Ukraine authorities—that these issues occurred,” Solomon told Fox News Host Sean Hannity.

    According to one Ukrainian government official memo, a few days after Biden forced Shokin’s ouster, Burisma’s American legal team met with Ukrainian officials and offered “an apology for dissemination of false information by U.S. representatives and public figures” about the Ukrainian prosecutors.”

    “According to a sworn affidavit prepared for a European court, Shokin said that he was told in March of 2016 that the reason he was fired was because Biden was unhappy about the Burisma investigation. “The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings, a natural gas firm active in Ukraine and Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors,” Shokin testified.”

     

     

    Exactly. As I said we’re living in an alternative universe. Biden is caught on tape on a quid pro quo and no evidence of the like on Trump. 

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  15. Skyler Coolidge
    Skyler
    @Skyler

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Was Hunter trading on his name? Absolutely. Was Burisma trying to curry favor with the V.P.? Absolutely. Is any of this illegal? No.

     

    Really?  It’s not illegal to use your political pull to put your son on the board of foreign companies for a very, very large sum of money?  I find that very hard to believe.

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  16. Jon1979 Inactive
    Jon1979
    @Jon1979

    Skyler (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Was Hunter trading on his name? Absolutely. Was Burisma trying to curry favor with the V.P.? Absolutely. Is any of this illegal? No.

     

    Really? It’s not illegal to use your political pull to put your son on the board of foreign companies for a very, very large sum of money? I find that very hard to believe.

    I suppose Burisma can put any drug-addicted 40-something lawyer they want on their payroll at better than half a million per year, and that’s legal. The question comes in whether or not wacky-but-lovable Uncle Joe was trying to kill two birds with one stone in forcing Ukraine to oust Shokin from his position in order to protect Hunter’s $600,000 per year deal (i.e. — others may have had questions about Shokin’s anti-corruption efforts in other areas, but that doesn’t mean that was the overriding reason Biden wanted him gone from his job, if Shokin was looking into corruption in a place dad and son didn’t want him to go).

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