Contributor Post Created with Sketch. Presidential Ukraine Phone Transcript: Nothingburger? Not Exactly.

 
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President Trump has declassified and released the transcript of his phone conversation in July with Ukrainian President Zelenskyy (See our post here.) The transcript is a complete nothingburger when it comes to the loony Left’s (and NeverTrumper’s) insane desire to remove President Trump from office. Trump did not, as had been alleged by partisan hacks in the Fake News, threaten to withhold military aid from Ukraine unless they gave him dirt on Biden. (Why this would have been an impeachable offense is not clear to me, in any case.)

Some people are suggesting that, like a Rorschach test, the transcript reveals different things to different people. Those who hate Trump will use it against him, those who love him will use it to defend him. Sure. Absolutely. This has been the case with many things over the past three years. But here’s the thing: Some people have a track record of being wrong, and other people have a track record of being proven right by the facts. The people who told you yesterday the transcript would show Trump had corruptly threatened Ukraine with withholding military aid in exchange for opponents research on a potential rival were wrong

On the face of it, one would assume that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s announcement last night that she had authorized “formal impeachment inquiries” was foolish and premature. But that’s only if one assumes her intent was to actually impeach Trump. It’s not. Despite her pronouncement, the Speaker has not so far scheduled any floor vote on the matter. Without a vote, there is no “formal” House investigation, no matter what she calls it. So what’s going on?

What did the transcript actually reveal? Trump has reason to believe Ukraine has Hillary Clinton’s email server with the 30,000+ deleted emails on it. Zelensky is appointing a new national prosecutor, this month, who is going to reopen the corruption probe into the company that was paying Hunter Biden $50,000 a month, presumably in exchange for favorable treatment by the Obama Administration.

And don’t forget: The Justice Department Inspector General report on FISA abuse is expected to be released to the public in the near future. (I predict it will be released on October 11 — the Friday before Columbus Day weekend.)

Another thought: Sadly, Ruth Ginsburg has had two bouts with cancer just since last November. It is quite possible that she may pass away before the 2020 election. While none of us wish her death, you can be sure the rabid pro-abortionists on the Left are already concocting whatever false accusations they will lob against any nominee of Trump’s.

The Democrat leadership does not actually want to impeach Trump in the House. First of all, they simply don’t have the votes, not even in their own majority caucus. Even if they could pass articles of impeachment, they know that the Senate would not convict. Even if the Senate did convict, what then? President Mike Pence? No, the Democrat leadership doesn’t want to impeach. They want to create a cloud of of illegitimacy around Trump. That has been their strategy all along. The risk of impeachment is so high that they may be sabotaging their own chances of winning the election, which means they don’t believe any of the Democrats running can win anyway. (Also why they’re willing to stick a knife in the back of Joe Biden, supposedly the front-runner.)

The “whistleblower” frenzy of the past week has been about distracting from the actual crimes committed in 2016 by Hillary Clinton, her presidential campaign, and the Obama Administration (soon to be revealed in the IG report, presumably) and from the actual corruption of the Bidens. And the not-formal “formal” impeachment inquiries are to cast a pall on any potential Trump Supreme Court nomination. (“The Senate must not vote on a nomination made by a president under formal impeachment inquiry!”)

TL;DR Democrats, Media, NeverTrumpers think you’re stupid.

 

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  1. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    It is the Clinton’s world, we are just living in it.

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    • September 25, 2019, at 10:04 AM PDT
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  2. RightAngles Member

    Your title implies that they have something on Trump.

    • #2
    • September 25, 2019, at 10:05 AM PDT
    • 7 likes
  3. James Gawron Thatcher
    James Gawron Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Max Ledoux:

    What did the transcript actually reveal? Trump has reason to believe Ukraine has Hillary Clinton’s email server with the 30,000+ deleted emails on it. Zelensky is appointing a new national prosecutor, this month, who is going to reopen the corruption probe into the company that was paying Hunter Biden $50,000 a month, presumably in exchange for favorable treatment by the Obama Administration.

    And don’t forget: The Justice Department Inspector General report on FISA abuse is expected to be released to the public in the near future. (I predict it will be released on October 11 — the Friday before Columbus Day weekend.)

    Another thought: Sadly, Ruth Ginsburg has had two bouts with cancer just since last November. It is quite possible that she may pass away before the 2020 election. While none of us wish her death, you can be sure the rabid pro-abortionists on the Left are already concocting whatever false accusations they will lob against any nominee of Trump’s.

    Max,

    You are giving the Dems too much credit when you roll Ginsburg into this. This is a craven desperate desire to stop one of their own from finally facing the music for their consummate corruption. Remember they don’t really have principles so they can’t really project that far ahead without some sort of immediate identity politics angle.

    No Max, they just stink to high heaven and are looking for leverage to get out from under it. Same old stuff, different day.

    Regards,

    Jim

    • #3
    • September 25, 2019, at 10:12 AM PDT
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  4. CitizenOfTheRepublic Member
    CitizenOfTheRepublic Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    “What did the transcript actually reveal? Trump has reason to believe Ukraine has Hillary Clinton’s email server with the 30,000+ deleted emails on it.”

    I think you’re off base here. The reference to a server in the call was about Crowdstrike, and they “investigated” the hack of the DNC server, which they attributed to Russia.

    • #4
    • September 25, 2019, at 10:25 AM PDT
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  5. RufusRJones Member

    Max Ledoux: Despite her pronouncement, the Speaker has not so far scheduled any floor vote on the matter. Without a vote, there is no “formal” House investigation, no matter what she calls it.

    Can someone explain to me in plain English what actually changed after this pronouncement? 

    • #5
    • September 25, 2019, at 10:50 AM PDT
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  6. Judge Mental Member

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Max Ledoux: Despite her pronouncement, the Speaker has not so far scheduled any floor vote on the matter. Without a vote, there is no “formal” House investigation, no matter what she calls it.

    Can someone explain to me in plain English what actually changed after this pronouncement?

    Nothing. That’s as plain as I can make it. The investigations they were already doing will continue. Nothing has been announced that wasn’t already underway.

    • #6
    • September 25, 2019, at 10:54 AM PDT
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  7. RufusRJones Member

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Max Ledoux: Despite her pronouncement, the Speaker has not so far scheduled any floor vote on the matter. Without a vote, there is no “formal” House investigation, no matter what she calls it.

    Can someone explain to me in plain English what actually changed after this pronouncement?

    Nothing. That’s as plain as I can make it. The investigations they were already doing will continue. Nothing has been announced that wasn’t already underway.

    From what I can tell, everyone keeps doing what they were doing, except whatever information they get gets compiled a slightly different way. It just sounds like it’s a big deal.

    The NT’s are very excited anyway.

    • #7
    • September 25, 2019, at 10:58 AM PDT
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  8. Bill Nelson Member

    There are other events that tie in. Holding the military aid to the Ukraine (it was released on Sept. 12th, after the whistle blower complaint was registered).

    First, it is very troubling that a US president would ask a foreign nation to pursue an investigation into a political opponent. When Sen. Warren is elected, do you think she may ask 12 other countries to look in the finances of Trump properties? Possibly. Or into Jared Kushner’s dealings? Likely. Is this where we want to be?

    But the message that this sends is that Trump does whatever he wants to do. I heard a radio commentator say that Trump was too smart to actually say such things with people listening. No, he is not too smart.

    And everything that they initially denied has been shown to be true.

     

     

    • #8
    • September 25, 2019, at 11:08 AM PDT
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  9. Max Ledoux Admin
    Max Ledoux

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):
    First, it is very troubling that a US president would ask a foreign nation to pursue an investigation into a political opponent.

    Why?

    • #9
    • September 25, 2019, at 11:13 AM PDT
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  10. Hartmann von Aue Member

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):
    First, it is very troubling that a US president would ask a foreign nation to pursue an investigation into a political opponent.

    Why?

    I don´t find it troubling that Trump asked Zelenskyy for help in re-starting an investigation into events of potential domestical political importance that appears to have been squelched at the behest of the Obama administration. Imagine Obama asking for help re-starting an analogous investigation in a foreign country that had been squelched by the Bush administration. Same thing.

    It’s not like…oh…he supported the overthrow of the government of a long-standing ally and put a Muslim terrorist association in place of that ally´s prior government. That would be real grounds for impeachment.

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    • September 25, 2019, at 11:42 AM PDT
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  11. EJHill Podcaster
    EJHill Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Bill Nelson: First, it is very troubling that a US president would ask a foreign nation to pursue an investigation into a political opponent.

    Then explain this from Marc Theissen in The Washington Post:

    It got almost no attention, but in May, CNN reported that Sens. Robert Menendez, D-N.J., Richard Durbin, D-Ill., and Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., wrote a letter to Ukraine’s prosecutor general, Yuriy Lutsenko, expressing concern at the closing of four investigations they said were critical to the Mueller probe. In the letter, they implied that their support for U.S. assistance to Ukraine was at stake. Describing themselves as “strong advocates for a robust and close relationship with Ukraine,” the Democratic senators declared, “We have supported [the] capacity-building process and are disappointed that some in Kyiv appear to have cast aside these [democratic] principles to avoid the ire of President Trump,” before demanding Lutsenko “reverse course and halt any efforts to impede cooperation with this important investigation.”

    So, it’s okay for Democratic senators to encourage Ukraine to investigate Trump, but it’s not okay for the president to allegedly encourage Ukraine to investigate Hunter Biden?

    I’ll reiterate Mr. Theissen’s question. Why do you – and the media – hold Trump to a different standard? Three Democratic Senators can ask a foreign power to help railroad the President of the United States and that’s fine but Trump is beyond the pale? But that’s a long established pattern, that ethics are malleable depending on whose ox is getting gored.

    As long as you can rationalize that the target is a bad man (and Orange Man Bad is a given, right?) then everything and anything is justified. Just ask Comey, McCabe, Brennan, Clapper and Rice. That’s not a company I want to be in.

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    • September 25, 2019, at 11:42 AM PDT
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  12. danok1 Member

    EJHill (View Comment):
    I’ll reiterate Mr. Theissen’s question. Why do you – and the media – hold Trump to a different standard? Three Democratic Senators can ask a foreign power to help railroad the President of the United States and that’s fine but Trump is beyond the pale? But that’s a long established pattern, that ethics are malleable depending on whose ox is getting gored.

    I’ll go a bit further: Is it okay for POTUS to ask a foreign government for assistance in an investigation (or to conduct an investigation in their country)? Is this a legitimate use of the Executive power? I think it is a legitimate use of the Executive power, and I know we’ve done so in the past; hell, we’ve sent FBI assets to foreign countries to assist their governments in investigations. Why is this power denied to Trump? As I told someone recently, Trump has all the powers of the Executive, not just those his opponents think he should be allowed.

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    • September 25, 2019, at 12:07 PM PDT
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  13. Richard Fulmer Member

    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):

    • Max Ledoux (View Comment):

      Bill Nelson (View Comment):
      First, it is very troubling that a US president would ask a foreign nation to pursue an investigation into a political opponent.

      Why?

      I don´t find it troubling that Trump asked Zelenskyy for help in re-starting an investigation into events of potential domestical political importance that appears to have been squelched at the behest of the Obama administration. Imagine Obama asking for help re-starting an analogous investigation in a foreign country that had been squelched by the Bush administration. Same thing.

      It’s not like…oh…he supported the overthrow the government of a long-standing ally and put a Muslim terrorist association in place of that ally´s prior government. That would be real grounds for impeachment. 

    He did imply that he would be willing to see Ukraine – an ally – unable to defend itself against Russia if his terms weren’t met. First, shortly before he placed the phone call, he put Ukrainian military aid on hold. Second, he stated twice that the U.S. had been “very, very good to Ukraine,” implying that the U.S. could stop being “very, very good to Ukraine” (nice little country you got here, shame if something happened to it). Third, why now? The connection between Ukraine, Biden, and Biden’s son has been known for some time. Why wait until Biden is the Democratic front-runner in the Democratic primary? If Trump cared more about justice than about winning next November, he should have asked the Justice Department to look into this long ago. Fourth, why would Trump handle this directly? Why not go through channels? Was it that he didn’t want anyone to know what he was doing? If so, why? Did he think that what he was doing wasn’t legal or that it would look bad?

    • #13
    • September 25, 2019, at 12:16 PM PDT
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  14. Richard Fulmer Member

    EJHill (View Comment):

    I’ll reiterate Mr. Theissen’s question. Why do you – and the media – hold Trump to a different standard? Three Democratic Senators can ask a foreign power to help railroad the President of the United States and that’s fine but Trump is beyond the pale? But that’s a long established pattern, that ethics are malleable depending on whose ox is getting gored.

    As long as you can rationalize that the target is a bad man (and Orange Man Bad is a given, right?) then everything and anything is justified. Just ask Comey, McCabe, Brennan, Clapper and Rice. That’s not a company I want to be in.

    I agree; there should not be a double-standard. If what Trump did is impeachable – and it may have been – then Joe Biden and the three Democratic Senators are no less culpable. If impeachment hearings go forward against Trump, the four Democrats should be investigated as well. And all arguments that the Democrats use against Trump should be made with equal force against the four.

    However, the fact that four Democrats are equally culpable should not give Trump – or anyone else – a pass.

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    • September 25, 2019, at 12:21 PM PDT
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  15. El Colonel Contributor

    The vision of a Left’s America is not consistent with the America set out in our founding documents. Left leaning activist judges have ignored, undermined and even effectively altered our founding principles to achieve their ends The courts are now, in fact, being restored. The Constitution is now being considered in the judgment of law, not altered to fit the opinions and politics of judges. And last time I looked, we still held the Senate and the Presidency, which means, despite any crazy distractions from the Democrats, any Trump SCOTUS nominee WILL be confirmed.

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    • September 25, 2019, at 12:30 PM PDT
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  16. Roosevelt Guck Member

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    There are other events that tie in. Holding the military aid to the Ukraine (it was released on Sept. 12th, after the whistle blower complaint was registered).

    First, it is very troubling that a US president would ask a foreign nation to pursue an investigation into a political opponent. When Sen. Warren is elected, do you think she may ask 12 other countries to look in the finances of Trump properties? Possibly. Or into Jared Kushner’s dealings? Likely. Is this where we want to be?

    But the message that this sends is that Trump does whatever he wants to do. I heard a radio commentator say that Trump was too smart to actually say such things with people listening. No, he is not too smart.

    And everything that they initially denied has been shown to be true.

    Why is it very troubling? The president is the chief law enforcement officer. It’s his job. There are credible reasons to investigate Biden and his son. What’s wrong with that? Because Biden is running for President? Who cares? Democrats and Never Trump are trying to criminalize the presidency to drive Trump from office. They have been doing it from day one. It’s a national disgrace and all it shows is what a sea of irredeemable corruption Washington has become.

    Biden is not above the law and Trump did not ask for help in rigging an election. He asked the president of Ukraine to investigate alleged wrongdoing that occurred in Ukraine. And if he did ask in the context of military aid to Ukraine or leaned on the president a bit, it’s called foreign policy, folks. Grow up.

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    • September 25, 2019, at 12:33 PM PDT
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  17. Columbo Member

    Ukraine President to President Trump – Nobody pushed me to probe Biden

    Nancy and the impeachment dems look silly, partisan and incompetent.

    A couple of previous comments in conversations here and here should be embarrassing to the nevers. 

    I await the rebuttals here that refuse to acknowledge how wrong they were about this. Or apologies.

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    • September 25, 2019, at 12:39 PM PDT
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  18. Columbo Member

    MAGA, Baby. MUGA, Baby.

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    • September 25, 2019, at 12:48 PM PDT
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  19. El Colonel Contributor

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Max Ledoux: Despite her pronouncement, the Speaker has not so far scheduled any floor vote on the matter. Without a vote, there is no “formal” House investigation, no matter what she calls it.

    Can someone explain to me in plain English what actually changed after this pronouncement?

    Nothing. That’s as plain as I can make it. The investigations they were already doing will continue. Nothing has been announced that wasn’t already underway.

    From what I can tell, everyone keeps doing what they were doing, except whatever information they get gets compiled a slightly different way. It just sounds like it’s a big deal.

    The NT’s are very excited anyway.

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    There are other events that tie in. Holding the military aid to the Ukraine (it was released on Sept. 12th, after the whistle blower complaint was registered).

    First, it is very troubling that a US president would ask a foreign nation to pursue an investigation into a political opponent. When Sen. Warren is elected, do you think she may ask 12 other countries to look in the finances of Trump properties? Possibly. Or into Jared Kushner’s dealings? Likely. Is this where we want to be?

    But the message that this sends is that Trump does whatever he wants to do. I heard a radio commentator say that Trump was too smart to actually say such things with people listening. No, he is not too smart.

    And everything that they initially denied has been shown to be true.

     

     

    The private dealings of people doing business in foreign countries are not equivalent to the potentially corrupt dealings of politicians while in office or seeking office. Biden’s and Hillary’s potential problems lie in the political spectrum of charges of corruption, profiteering from office, exposing US intelligence to our enemies and then taking steps to obstruct any inquiry. Biden bragged about his brazen use of power in public! He was proud of himself!

    This whole thing stinks of politics.

    BTW, the reference to “the server” is interesting. And Biden’s son’s sweet dealings in are worthy of inquiry, especially given his father’s role and influence at the time. I something comes up that restarts the Hillary email investigation, so be it.

     

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    • September 25, 2019, at 12:49 PM PDT
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  20. Bill Nelson Member

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):
    First, it is very troubling that a US president would ask a foreign nation to pursue an investigation into a political opponent.

    Why?

    Why? Ok, as a conservative I am always concerned about the reach and power of the federal government. And with my government I have rights, due process and other protections. With a foreign government, you have no protection. It is the power of the presidency, and the abuse of that power, that is alarming.

    So assume that the Ukraine did such an investigation, and report a whole series of corrupt actions. Is it true? Who knows. Does Hunter Biden have recourse? No, he’s screwed.

    And as I have said 100 times, when Warren is elected, with a new precedence set, Trump has properties in 12 nations, you can be sure they are going to get a very close look.

     

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    • September 25, 2019, at 12:54 PM PDT
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  21. Bill Nelson Member

    Columbo (View Comment):
    Nancy and the impeachment dems look silly, partisan and incompetent.

    Then you are seriously self deluded. This is a deadly serious matter and once it starts, such an investigation has great leeway into what it can do, and has direct access to the Supreme court.

    And you can bet your paycheck that Trump will wage a tweet war and continue to say things that hurt him more, and cause him to lose support. He has shown himself to be incapable of restraint of any kind.

     

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    • September 25, 2019, at 12:58 PM PDT
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  22. Bill Nelson Member

    Roosevelt Guck (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    There are other events that tie in. Holding the military aid to the Ukraine (it was released on Sept. 12th, after the whistle blower complaint was registered).

    First, it is very troubling that a US president would ask a foreign nation to pursue an investigation into a political opponent. When Sen. Warren is elected, do you think she may ask 12 other countries to look in the finances of Trump properties? Possibly. Or into Jared Kushner’s dealings? Likely. Is this where we want to be?

    But the message that this sends is that Trump does whatever he wants to do. I heard a radio commentator say that Trump was too smart to actually say such things with people listening. No, he is not too smart.

    And everything that they initially denied has been shown to be true.

    Why is it very troubling? The president is the chief law enforcement officer. It’s his job. There are credible reasons to investigate Biden and his son. What’s wrong with that? Because Biden is running for President? Who cares? Democrats and Never Trump are trying to criminalize the presidency to drive Trump from office. They have been doing it from day one. It’s a national disgrace and all it shows is what a sea of irredeemable corruption Washington has become.

    Biden is not above the law and Trump did not ask for help in rigging an election. He asked the president of Ukraine to investigate alleged wrongdoing that occurred in Ukraine. And if he did ask in the context of military aid to Ukraine, it’s called foreign policy, folks. Grow up.

    And you are saying that Trump is the law? He is not. Trump cannot order an investigation into anyone or anything. There are very strict processes for this and that these were violated during the Russian probe are disturbing. There is no evidence of any kind that former VP Biden did anything untoward. And Hunter was just making lots of money because people gave it to him.

    That Biden did anything wrong is false, and those on the right who push this are lying. The facts are known.

     

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    • September 25, 2019, at 1:02 PM PDT
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  23. James Gawron Thatcher
    James Gawron Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Columbo (View Comment):

    Ukraine President to President Trump – Nobody pushed me to probe Biden

    Nancy and the impeachment dems look silly, partisan and incompetent.

    A couple of previous comments in conversations here and here should be embarrassing to the nevers.

    I await the rebuttals here that refuse to acknowledge how wrong they were about this. Or apologies.

    Columbo,

    It could even be worse for them. David French is an idiot. There is no quid pro quo with Trump. With Biden, on the other hand, there is a billion dollars in aid withheld until Hunter Biden’s company that is raping Ukraine for cash gets off the hook.

    Trump just looks like a tough negotiator. Biden looks like a parasite covered in slime.

    Regards,

    Jim

     

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    • September 25, 2019, at 1:03 PM PDT
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  24. Columbo Member

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):
    Nancy and the impeachment dems look silly, partisan and incompetent.

    Then you are seriously self deluded. This is a deadly serious matter and once it starts, such an investigation has great leeway into what it can do, and has direct access to the Supreme court.

    And you can bet your paycheck that Trump will wage a tweet war and continue to say things that hurt him more, and cause him to lose support. He has shown himself to be incapable of restraint of any kind.

     

    Deadly serious?! Are you kidding me? Self-deluded? Indeed.

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    • September 25, 2019, at 1:04 PM PDT
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  25. danok1 Member

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):
    And as I have said 100 times, when Warren is elected, with a new precedence set, Trump has properties in 12 nations, you can be sure they are going to get a very close look.

    Bill (can I call you Bill?), you don’t seem to realize that the Dems were going to do this regardless of any “precedent.” Hell, they’re trying to do it now. See @ejhill‘s comment#11.

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    • September 25, 2019, at 1:06 PM PDT
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  26. cdor Member
    cdor Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    There are other events that tie in. Holding the military aid to the Ukraine (it was released on Sept. 12th, after the whistle blower complaint was registered).

    First, it is very troubling that a US president would ask a foreign nation to pursue an investigation into a political opponent. When Sen. Warren is elected, do you think she may ask 12 other countries to look in the finances of Trump properties? Possibly. Or into Jared Kushner’s dealings? Likely. Is this where we want to be?

    But the message that this sends is that Trump does whatever he wants to do. I heard a radio commentator say that Trump was too smart to actually say such things with people listening. No, he is not too smart.

    And everything that they initially denied has been shown to be true.

     

     

    If an administration is investigating fraud and bribery by our government officials committed in a foreign country, how is that administration supposed to do the investigation without the help of said foreign country? Why wouldn’t you ask? What is wrong with asking for cooperation. I have never heard of Ukranian involvement with the DNC chosen firm named Crowdstrike, so that avenue is new to me. But everyone who is paying even a little attention has got to have seen the video of Joe Biden bragging profusely at some very public forum as to how he threatened the former Ukranian government, using a billion dollars of foreign aid as the lever, if they didn’t fire their prosecutor. Yes, the prosecutor who was investigating a company sending generous amounts of money to Biden’s son. 

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    • September 25, 2019, at 1:15 PM PDT
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  27. Bill Nelson Member

    Columbo (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):
    Nancy and the impeachment dems look silly, partisan and incompetent.

    Then you are seriously self deluded. This is a deadly serious matter and once it starts, such an investigation has great leeway into what it can do, and has direct access to the Supreme court.

    And you can bet your paycheck that Trump will wage a tweet war and continue to say things that hurt him more, and cause him to lose support. He has shown himself to be incapable of restraint of any kind.

     

    Deadly serious?! Are you kidding me? Self-deluded? Indeed.

    If you don’t think this is serious, ask the army of lawyers the president now is going to hire. This may only be the third impeachment in our history. It is deadly serious.

     

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    • September 25, 2019, at 1:19 PM PDT
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  28. Columbo Member

    danok1 (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):
    And as I have said 100 times, when Warren is elected, with a new precedence set, Trump has properties in 12 nations, you can be sure they are going to get a very close look.

    Bill (can I call you Bill?), you don’t seem to realize that the Dems were going to do this regardless of any “precedent.” Hell, they’re trying to do it now. See @ejhill‘s comment#11.

    Exactly. Precedent? Like the dems ever wait to do anything unless the GOP did it first. Oh, boy.

    And we’re supposed to get deadly serious when they laughably concoct something that is supposedly like their nefariousness, except that it isn’t even close.

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    • September 25, 2019, at 1:21 PM PDT
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  29. Bill Nelson Member

    cdor (View Comment):
    If an administration is investigating fraud and bribery by our government officials committed in a foreign country

    There is no such investigation. And there is not even a hint of any US government official being bribed, bribing or defrauding anyone.

    So lets assume the worst: Hunter needs to get something for Bushima Holding, he talks to pops, pops talks to Obama, and the “thing” happens. Hunter gets a big bonus. What law was broken? Hunter does not have to register as a lobbyist. And you can be sure that many companies, with headquarters in other countries, lobby both the administration and congress.

    And none of that excuses Trump’s abuse of power.

     

     

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    • September 25, 2019, at 1:25 PM PDT
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  30. Columbo Member

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):
    Nancy and the impeachment dems look silly, partisan and incompetent.

    Then you are seriously self deluded. This is a deadly serious matter and once it starts, such an investigation has great leeway into what it can do, and has direct access to the Supreme court.

    And you can bet your paycheck that Trump will wage a tweet war and continue to say things that hurt him more, and cause him to lose support. He has shown himself to be incapable of restraint of any kind.

    Deadly serious?! Are you kidding me? Self-deluded? Indeed.

    If you don’t think this is serious, ask the army of lawyers the president now is going to hire. This may only be the third impeachment in our history. It is deadly serious.

    Firstly, no one is going to die.

    Lindsey Graham: If the dems try to impeach President Trump (over this), it will blow up in their faces.

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    • September 25, 2019, at 1:26 PM PDT
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