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If One Truly Believes in the Climate Catastrophe … Then It’s War!
For those people who truly believe that the world only has 12 years (or less) to solve the climate crisis or there will be a global catastrophe of biblical proportions, is the following a fair question?
Given general agreement that developed countries cannot solve the carbon problem without the full participation of China and India: Do you agree that if diplomatic pressure brought to bear by the countries that are serious about climate change does not convince China and India to cooperate with our attempt to save the planet, that these serious countries should go to war with China and India to compel them to abandon their coal-fired power plants, and thus save the world?
Is it possible to truly believe that the world is about to end in climate disaster and not believe in the righteousness of this hypothetical war?
Published in Environment
More verbose version: both India and China have nukes. Good luck with that war. At least Nuclear Winter trumps Global Warming.
Climate change posts seem to fall flat on Ricochet, among other topics. Still, you asked the questions and deserve some answers. My take is yes, climate change is very real. I believe that it is changing – I did several posts about it. Europe, the Arctic, Iceland, Greenland, Alaska, India and many other areas have suffered record heat – we are here in Florida. Before you say….well, it’s Florida, it’s different. Baking — for much longer. On that note:
I don’t believe climate change is entirely man-made – in fact not even close. I think we are in a warming trend and man may suffer in areas where things are changing, but this is not new. I believe that the climate change gurus – some – may want to help those that are suffering, but some especially in political circles, see an opportunity to exploit Mother Nature – a.k.a. Control. Regulate all business, homes, property, industry, finances, all of it to bring about the end of freedom as we know it. We have clean air, clean water, we are responsible to our global obligations and just being mindful of waste and responsibility. That’s different than global control, and we will never get communist countries or others like China and India to comply – end of story. Review the agenda of the UN Mission as follows:
https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/post2015/transformingourworld
It sounds good – we want to be helpful – transforming our world…….this is happening, but its not what you think.
If we can get all the other countries on board to declare war on China and India couldn’t we win the war with casualties much lower than what the climate catastrophe portends? Even if a few nukes had to be thrown around?
Also – I have reviewed this site regularly for many decades – the uptick in climate change related issues have risen significantly – man made or not – so you are on to something:
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php
If one believes the “climate catastrophe” to be real, one might think so, but it would be more than a few nukes. China isn’t going to go easily.
Risen? Or are they paying more attention? Or have their classifications changed?
I think if the current low sunspot activity persists, we’re going to have the Maunder Minimum Theory put to the test over the next 20 or so years. It postulated a correlation between low sunspot activity in the latter part of the 17th and the early part of the 18th centuries with the Mini-Ice Age of the same time period.
If by 2040 or so we’re experiencing a period of cool summers and extended winters, I expect the climate activists to adjust their hysteria appropriately, though suing the sun could be problematic.
The UN isn’t waiting for that data – their goals are being implemented now.
My question is not directed at what the climate is or is not doing, but whether alarmists (hysterics?) actually believe their own calls for immediate drastic action.
They were among the global cooling hysterics back in the 1970s and early 80s, until that flipped to being global warming hysterics. I’m sure if we’re seeing May snowfalls at lower elevations and the habitation zones shifting slightly southward by the middle of the century due to lower solar output, they’ll go back to being global cooling believers, while at the same time blaming everything under the sun but the sun for the change, because there’s nothing big government can do in terms of hamstringing Western capitalism that’s going to change the solar cycles.
We don’t have to go to war with China and India, are you crazy??
We no longer have access to plastic straws, so the turtles are ok. I can no longer carry my groceries out to the boat in a plastic bag, and must clutch them to my chest and hope I don’t drop the avocados in the lake.
So we’re good, right?
They may believe what they say at the moment but what they believe is unfounded. So I suggest first things first. It takes power to move to war and these people will not get power here using the 12 years or less approach.
Alternatively, those who truly believe that the planet is experiencing a catastrophic Climate Emergency could support imposing tariffs on all imports, proportionate to the per capita CO2 emissions of the country-of-origin.
Sure it is.
China and India ain’t White nations, so They ain’t polluting the world.
No.
There are days when I truly love having you around. 😁
But who says we need to win such a war? As long as enough people are killed (Indian, Chinese, American and others) that works doesn’t it for reducing Global Warming, since at it’s core the enemy isn’t the sources of energy use but just the gross number of people alive and living a modern lifestyle.
Thanos? Is that you?
Plus, there’s nothing wrong with the American economy that a sustained six year conventional bombing campaign against the rest of the industrialized world can’t fix.
Elizabeth Warren told me that *every species* was at risk. We need to bomb every power plant, cement kiln, pipeline, and petroleum plant in the world. This needs to include the USA, but only after we fuel up the bombers. The “would you BOMB EVERYTHING to save the planet?” question did not come up in tonight’s debate.
Not that any Democrat would ever directly answer your question, for they would surely evade it by saying there are solutions other than war — and yet they would offer no actual, realistic solutions.
But it’s a great question, and I would love to see the Demo candidates squirm as they attempted to dodge it.
Or at least threaten to. Right? I mean, Communism wasn’t ACK-tually a real, existential threat worthy of deploying the Pershing missiles in Europe but a mere misunderstanding Samantha Smith could smooth over. Heck, even Naziism wasn’t even that much of a threat in its day (until, of course, it was). But the Science Is Settled on climate change.
Which seems to me to deserve, if not the nuking of Chinese coal plants, at least a bit more focused attention, some clear, obvious rearrangement of priorities; “We’re All Going To Die” can’t just be folded into the overall list of problems that a beneficent government should solve for us—healthcare, bigotry, the dire plights of the sexually-active and/or involuntarily pregnant, of unfairly mass-incarcerated black men, of starving Congolese war refugees mysteriously stranded in Mexico, even of the chronically misjudged and maltreated transgendered… all of this would have to yeild given that all this “harm” will be as nothing once the apocalypse has begun. Which it has already. Just look out the window.
So yes: Why aren’t our presidential candidates being asked whether they’d be willing to take aggressive, unpleasant, overbearingly-American-power-trippy-type action against those nations who, whatever their representatives may say in Paris or Copenhagen or Kyoto, are obvious and dangerous Deniers?
Especially given that such action would not only save the world for Americans but —the world being wha it is, namely, y’know, the world—-save it for all the diverse, vibrant, culturally-rich though unfairly-poor POCs with whom we share it? After all, were it not for the corrupting influence of Western Colonialism and general White Male oppression, the black-and-brown people would never have built those coal plants and whatnot in the first place.
“We have to bomb the village to save it” surely applies here?
Certainly the globe is warming. It has been since the little ice age/end ot the Marauder Minimum in the mid 19th century. The question is, is this man made or a natural phenomena? Recent so called science is mixed and one could easily argue, has been tainted and corrupted by politics. I’m highly skeptical. And if history and solar cycles continue, this warming will end and cooling will ensue. Carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere are miniscule and are likley di minimus when compared to cosmic dust, H2O and solar activity, to say nothing of the various feedback mechanisms on our planet. The real question to me is, when will folks realize that these cries of wolf are based upon bad science and politics? When will the cries of apocalypses chronically delayed lose their credibility?
Climate change alarmists aren’t even open to expanding nuclear energy, much less launching nuclear weapons, to address their so-called crisis.
It’s all hair-shirt posturing, except that they try to get other people to wear the hair shirt rather than don it themselves.
As Glen Reynolds repeatedly states, I’ll believe it’s a crisis when the people who say it’s a crisis start acting like it’s a crisis.
Yes! What is the endgame? China and India and Africa and South America are not going to change their emissions and the alarmists can only fake the data so much. Eventually it will be obvious that global warming is a hoax. Will the sheeple wake up? Will the elites declare that a handful of windmills has temporarily forestalled disaster and we have one more chance to choose the Amish lifestyle? With the media, including Google, actively hiding any evidence contrary to the party line and politicians telling blatant lies, the sheeple can choose to continue their delusion (blue pilled).
Check out the shirt I just ordered:
“We need to bomb every power plant, cement kiln, pipeline, and petroleum plant in the world.”
But,but, but , but…….. Don G what about the carbon footprint of those bombing runs?
Mother Gaia won’t like it at all. And now they tell us the “Green New Deal” won’t even save the world from our certain death in twelve years. I am so frightened. What are we to do?
Drink!