Are Democratic Voters Buying This?

 

Imagine someone who really believes that Donald Trump colluded with the Russians, and that somewhere there is some evidence that Mueller didn’t have time to uncover, that proves that Putin cheated in our election to get Trump elected. And then imagine that that very same person also believes that the same government that manages our Post Office and DMV offices should manage our healthcare and retirement plans. And then imagine that that very same person also believes that Christians are more dangerous than Muslims, and that we can improve the safety and security of our country via open borders. And then imagine that that very same person also read a news story that says that (to quote Matt Walsh) “A global sex trafficker who could implicate some of the richest and most powerful people on Earth (including Bill Clinton – ed.) as pedophiles died in his jail cell while under suicide watch in federal prison on the very night that his case files were unsealed” and thinks nothing is amiss. That person thinks to himself, “Golly – another lucky break for Bill Clinton! He must be relieved to have this misunderstanding resolved! Thank goodness we can Move On! Again!”

I have a couple of questions about the person described above. First, how many people are there in the United States who actually believe all that stuff? Some, certainly – I’ve been to college – I know that there are many people who work hard at appearing more foolish than the next guy – it’s like a competitive sport. But still, how many? Enough for Democrats to ride that base to victories in national elections? I mean, socialism is crazy enough. But just think of all the other stuff you have to believe (or at least ignore, I guess) to actually vote Democrat. It makes my head hurt.

Second, the herd of politicians running for the Democrat nomination may not be as mind-bogglingly stupid and crazy as they try to make themselves sound. If the guy in the first paragraph above is their base, then they’ve got to say some insane stuff to sound sane. To him. Maybe those Democrat candidates are rolling their eyes at this stuff just like we are. I certainly hope so. But I don’t know…

In a democracy, we don’t always get the government we want, but we usually get the government we deserve, so the crazier we get, the crazier our leaders become. I guess. Many people thought George McGovern was crazy in the late ’60s. Imagine what those people would have thought of Marianne Williamson. Or Pete Buttigieg. Or, heck, Bernie Sanders, who very nearly won the presidency a few years ago.

But back to the guy above. I wonder how many Democrat voters are looking at Epstein’s death right before he testified against Bill Clinton and, in their own private thoughts, in the dark of night, wonder if, perhaps, something just might be amiss? Epstein did not come across as the ethical man of principle, who could not bear bringing shame on his family. Perhaps he hid his sense of personal morality well? Or perhaps he just happened to discover his morality, like misplaced car keys, on the very same night that his case files were unsealed.

Or perhaps – just perhaps – something is amiss.

It just seems so incredibly improbable that this could happen unless somebody wanted it to happen. So who is that somebody? Inquiring minds want to know.

Or perhaps they don’t.

The Clinton history is so notorious that there were tasteless memes about Epstein’s upcoming surprise suicide as soon as he was arrested and people realized that Bill Clinton had accompanied him to “Lolita Island” multiple times. Everyone knows that if you have dirt on the Clintons, you can’t buy life insurance. Too many coincidences, over too many years, to ignore.

Unless you really want to.

Are Democrat voters buying this? Any of it? Russian collusion against the party that seeks to cooperate with them and shares their worldview? The security of open borders? Government’s competence? The danger of Episcopalian terrorists? Clinton’s innocence? Anything?

Or are they just ignoring a lot of craziness because they’re incapable of independent thought and they’ve been taught that Republicans are evil? So they should vote for whoever the other option is.

I really hope it’s the latter.

Because if they really believe this stuff, things are even worse than they seem.

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There are 21 comments.

  1. Unsk Member

    I think:

    A. Most Democrats follow media platforms and networks that always spin the truth to fit the narrative. No matter what. 

    B.Most Democrats are utterly brainwashed and conditioned to fear – that’s right conditioned to fear – to take sides outside the authorized narrative and talking points. The Left has it’s enforcers even in your everyday social friend group that come down very hard on those who fail to toe the line. There is great fear among the Left to talk and think outside the authorized narrative bounds because of this. Many feel they will be ostracized if they say politically incorrect things 

    As a result, most Democrats will believe anything those on high in the Democratic party say. It is only those in Democrat party who have been hurting and are inclined to old time American values that will dare to buck the official narrative. 

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    • August 11, 2019, at 10:09 AM PDT
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  2. PHCheese Member

    Democrats aren’t only to the left politically but also to the left on the IQ Bell Curve.

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    • August 11, 2019, at 10:20 AM PDT
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  3. Django Member

    PHCheese (View Comment):

    Democrats aren’t only to the left politically but also to the left on the IQ Bell Curve.

    I used to work with one of those types. He wasn’t stupid. He had a degree in Computer Science, with honors, from a decent CA university. It was interesting to ask him questions and see how completely irrational he was on politics, religion, DDT, whatever. Cite facts that contradicted his opinions and he’d respond with what was almost a non sequitur, but it seemed that his response was internally and emotionally satisfying to him, so he just continued with his nonsense. In a word, “Democrat”.

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    • August 11, 2019, at 10:46 AM PDT
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  4. Bob Thompson Member

    The policies of powerful social media platforms pose a threat to our electoral process going forward.

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    • August 11, 2019, at 10:55 AM PDT
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  5. The Reticulator Member

    Unsk (View Comment):

    I think:

    A. Most Democrats follow media platforms and networks that always spin the truth to fit the narrative. No matter what.

    B.Most Democrats are utterly brainwashed and conditioned to fear – that’s right conditioned to fear – to take sides outside the authorized narrative and talking points. The Left has it’s enforcers even in your everyday social friend group that come down very hard on those who fail to toe the line. There is great fear among the Left to talk and think outside the authorized narrative bounds because of this. Many feel they will be ostracized if they say politically incorrect things

    As a result, most Democrats will believe anything those on high in the Democratic party say. It is only those in Democrat party who have been hurting and are inclined to old time American values that will dare to buck the official narrative.

    We live in the world of Václav Havel’s greengrocer.

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    • August 11, 2019, at 12:15 PM PDT
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  6. namlliT noD Member

    Dr. Bastiat:

    Are Democrat voters buying this? Any of it? Russian collusion against the party that seeks to cooperate with them and shares their worldview? The security of open borders? Government’s competence? The danger of Episcopalian terrorists? Clinton’s innocence? Anything?

    Or are they just ignoring a lot of craziness because they’re incapable of independent thought and they’ve been taught that Republicans are evil? So they should vote for whoever the other option is.

    This assumes that they care about the substance of the argument.

    Perhaps that’s not the case, and instead they are more interested that the argument, whatever it may be, works as an effective weapon against Republicans.

    And since so many in the media are behind it, they feel confident that they have backup.

    And if that media proves to be wrong, they can just say they were mislead, saving face.

    And if the substance of the argument is flimsy, or perhaps entirely bogus, better still, as it’s proof of the political power their side has.

    So tactically, it’s a win-win-win-win.

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    • August 11, 2019, at 5:52 PM PDT
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  7. namlliT noD Member

    It’s more intriguing to ask these same questions of people in the news media. For them, you’d think their professional careers would depend on accurate reporting.

    But apparently that’s not the case. (I guess that’s an understatement.)

    There seem to be very few journalism careers that were damaged by blatantly inaccurate reporting.

    One reason is that they get to work together as a unit. Like those numerous examples where the journalists all repeat the identical talking point of the day. If they’re not going to get dinged for that, then they probably won’t be dinged for fake news.

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    • August 12, 2019, at 8:16 AM PDT
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  8. Bob Thompson Member

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    It’s more intriguing to ask these same questions of people in the news media. For them, you’d think their professional careers would depend on accurate reporting.

    But apparently that’s not the case. (I guess that’s an understatement.)

    There seem to be very few journalism careers that were damaged by blatantly inaccurate reporting.

    One reason is that they get to work together as a unit. Like those numerous examples where the journalists all repeat the identical talking point of the day. If they’re not going to get dinged for that, then they probably won’t be dinged for fake news.

    What happens if somehow things get set right? It appears that many in the field might not be capable of doing journalism.

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    • August 12, 2019, at 8:27 AM PDT
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  9. Goldgeller Member

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    It’s more intriguing to ask these same questions of people in the news media. For them, you’d think their professional careers would depend on accurate reporting.

    But apparently that’s not the case. (I guess that’s an understatement.)

    There seem to be very few journalism careers that were damaged by blatantly inaccurate reporting. 

    One reason is that they get to work together as a unit. Like those numerous examples where the journalists all repeat the identical talking point of the day. If they’re not going to get dinged for that, then they probably won’t be dinged for fake news.

    I bolded the part of your comment that really stuck out to me. A largely liberal media would be something we could just make peace with if there were guardrails for failure or some form of self correction. But there isn’t. Consequently people can say all sorts of bizarre or extremely misleading statements and they won’t just get away with it, they will be applauded for it (or at least they will expect to be applauded for it). A lot of people should have been quietly shuffled away after the Trump/Russia stuff, or for trying to be extremely literal about Trump Tower being “wiretapped” when it was surveilled, similarly with the freakout over AG Barr’s “spying” comments. 

    It seems as long as the mistakes all fall towards Orange Man Bad then it is okay. 

     

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    • August 12, 2019, at 9:09 AM PDT
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  10. Jeff Hawkins Coolidge

    I think you need to recognize a certain truism about the kind of person you’re describing.

    Republicans are a greater external threat than any foreign power, as all foreign powers that hate us do so because Republicans were so “mean” to them.

    Once Democrats are in charge, these external threats show themselves to actually be “reformers” because they like Democrats so much (as willing dupes or those empathetic to left wing policies)

    Also same person will be told it was actually Barr’s DOJ that did it to cover for Barr’s dad or for Donald Trump, and the Clinton story part is a false flag.

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    • August 12, 2019, at 9:37 AM PDT
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  11. Full Size Tabby Member

    I suspect that there are many people who fit your first paragraph. But they do so mostly because they haven’t thought past the the surface, so they don’t see the inherent contradictions underneath these different ideas. Most people are relatively lazy in the ideas arena and aren’t interested in thinking very deeply about what is presented to them.

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    • August 12, 2019, at 10:14 AM PDT
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  12. Western Chauvinist Member

    I think what’s at the heart of lefty credulity is moral vanity — self-deification. It’s “my truth” and “truth over facts.” All of which lends itself to little regard for The Truth.

    Being on the Left is both a glorious identity and a matter of conformity that only a few ever escape (Dave Rubin, David Mamet, … hmm… maybe you have be named “David” to stand up to the Left’s Goliath). 

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    • August 12, 2019, at 10:35 AM PDT
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  13. TBA Coolidge
    TBA

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    It’s more intriguing to ask these same questions of people in the news media. For them, you’d think their professional careers would depend on accurate reporting.

    But apparently that’s not the case. (I guess that’s an understatement.)

    There seem to be very few journalism careers that were damaged by blatantly inaccurate reporting.

    One reason is that they get to work together as a unit. Like those numerous examples where the journalists all repeat the identical talking point of the day. If they’re not going to get dinged for that, then they probably won’t be dinged for fake news.

    Reporters write news; journalists write narrative. 

    News meshes with facts; narrative meshes with narrative. 

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    • August 12, 2019, at 8:19 PM PDT
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  14. TBA Coolidge
    TBA

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    I suspect that there are many people who fit your first paragraph. But they do so mostly because they haven’t thought past the the surface, so they don’t see the inherent contradictions underneath these different ideas. Most people are relatively lazy in the ideas arena and aren’t interested in thinking very deeply about what is presented to them.

    Many people think shallowly and remember shortly. You won’t suffer many contradictions with a curtailed attention span. 

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    • August 12, 2019, at 8:25 PM PDT
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  15. TBA Coolidge
    TBA

    Jeff Hawkins (View Comment):

    I think you need to recognize a certain truism about the kind of person you’re describing.

    Republicans are a greater external threat than any foreign power, as all foreign powers that hate us do so because Republicans were so “mean” to them.

    Once Democrats are in charge, these external threats show themselves to actually be “reformers” because they like Democrats so much (as willing dupes or those empathetic to left wing policies)

    Also same person will be told it was actually Barr’s DOJ that did it to cover for Barr’s dad or for Donald Trump, and the Clinton story part is a false flag.

    This is the part that kind of freaks me out – Adams’ two-movies-one-screen theory. We have a dead pimp-to-the-powerful who was supposed to be under state protection. The public seems poised to divide over the agent of Epstein’s death based solely on which 2016 candidate they supported. 

    When OJ was tried we saw a similar split in the population by race. That was a hidden split revealed under pressure. 

    This Epstein split is being manufactured. 

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    • August 12, 2019, at 8:34 PM PDT
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  16. Dr. Bastiat Member
    Dr. Bastiat Post author

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    • August 13, 2019, at 5:00 AM PDT
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  17. Songwriter Member

    PHCheese (View Comment):

    Democrats aren’t only to the left politically but also to the left on the IQ Bell Curve.

    I disagree. Sadly, a lot of faithful Democrats are very smart – on the IQ scale, at least. No need to deny that.

    But being smart (again on the IQ scale) is no defense against being foolish. And I’ve met a lot of foolish smart people who side with the Left.

    One need not be a genius to have a modicum of common sense. And common sense is what seems to be lacking amongst the political Left, regardless of IQ.

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    • August 13, 2019, at 6:16 AM PDT
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  18. Bishop Wash Member

    Songwriter (View Comment):

    PHCheese (View Comment):

    Democrats aren’t only to the left politically but also to the left on the IQ Bell Curve.

    I disagree. Sadly, a lot of faithful Democrats are very smart – on the IQ scale, at least. No need to deny that.

    But being smart (again on the IQ scale) is no defense against being foolish. And I’ve met a lot of foolish smart people who side with the Left.

    One need not be a genius to have a modicum of common sense. And common sense is what seems to be lacking amongst the political Left, regardless of IQ.

    Yeah, there was an exit poll a few presidential elections ago that showed the Democrats had higher support on both ends of the education scale, PhDs and high-school dropouts. Granted education doesn’t equal intelligence. Brings to mind the quote, “There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.”

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    • August 13, 2019, at 7:47 AM PDT
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  19. TBA Coolidge
    TBA

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Songwriter (View Comment):

    PHCheese (View Comment):

    Democrats aren’t only to the left politically but also to the left on the IQ Bell Curve.

    I disagree. Sadly, a lot of faithful Democrats are very smart – on the IQ scale, at least. No need to deny that.

    But being smart (again on the IQ scale) is no defense against being foolish. And I’ve met a lot of foolish smart people who side with the Left.

    One need not be a genius to have a modicum of common sense. And common sense is what seems to be lacking amongst the political Left, regardless of IQ.

    Yeah, there was an exit poll a few presidential elections ago that showed the Democrats had higher support on both ends of the education scale, PhDs and high-school dropouts. Granted education doesn’t equal intelligence. Brings to mind the quote, “There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.”

    “Alpha children wear grey. They work much harder than we do, because they’re so frightfully clever. I’m really awfully glad I’m a Beta, because I don’t work so hard. And then we are much better than the Gammas and Deltas. Gammas are stupid. They all wear green, and Delta children wear khaki. Oh no, I don’t want to play with Delta children. And Epsilons are still worse. They’re too stupid to be able to read or write. Besides they wear black, which is such a beastly colour. I’m so glad I’m a Beta.” – Aldous Huxley 

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    • August 13, 2019, at 8:37 AM PDT
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  20. Bob Thompson Member

    TBA (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Songwriter (View Comment):

    PHCheese (View Comment):

    Democrats aren’t only to the left politically but also to the left on the IQ Bell Curve.

    I disagree. Sadly, a lot of faithful Democrats are very smart – on the IQ scale, at least. No need to deny that.

    But being smart (again on the IQ scale) is no defense against being foolish. And I’ve met a lot of foolish smart people who side with the Left.

    One need not be a genius to have a modicum of common sense. And common sense is what seems to be lacking amongst the political Left, regardless of IQ.

    Yeah, there was an exit poll a few presidential elections ago that showed the Democrats had higher support on both ends of the education scale, PhDs and high-school dropouts. Granted education doesn’t equal intelligence. Brings to mind the quote, “There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.”

    “Alpha children wear grey. They work much harder than we do, because they’re so frightfully clever. I’m really awfully glad I’m a Beta, because I don’t work so hard. And then we are much better than the Gammas and Deltas. Gammas are stupid. They all wear green, and Delta children wear khaki. Oh no, I don’t want to play with Delta children. And Epsilons are still worse. They’re too stupid to be able to read or write. Besides they wear black, which is such a beastly colour. I’m so glad I’m a Beta.” – Aldous Huxley

    Perfect!

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    • August 13, 2019, at 9:09 AM PDT
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  21. Full Size Tabby Member

    Songwriter (View Comment):

    PHCheese (View Comment):

    Democrats aren’t only to the left politically but also to the left on the IQ Bell Curve.

    I disagree. Sadly, a lot of faithful Democrats are very smart – on the IQ scale, at least. No need to deny that.

    But being smart (again on the IQ scale) is no defense against being foolish. And I’ve met a lot of foolish smart people who side with the Left.

    One need not be a genius to have a modicum of common sense. And common sense is what seems to be lacking amongst the political Left, regardless of IQ.

    For the difference between theoretical knowledge and practical knowledge I always remember the smartest (highest IQ) person in my large high school class. Could argue through any mathematical proof, any political theory, any historical trend, except (after he later got married and had a baby) he could not fathom why the baby needed to be diapered in something with a water resistant exterior. He kept wrapping the baby in cloth diapers but did not understand why he needed to put plastic pants over the cloth diaper. 

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    • August 13, 2019, at 10:43 AM PDT
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