Mueller Testimony Not Going Well; Democrats, Media, NeverTrumpers Hardest Hit

 

I’m watching the Mueller testimony this morning (live feed embedded below). I do not think it’s going well for the Democrats, the Media, and NeverTrumpers. Here are some highlights (lowlights?) so far:

  1. Mueller’s answers are halting and doddering. He appears confused at many times and not familiar with many aspects of the report. For instance, Mueller stated that he was not familiar with Fusion GPS and couldn’t recall whether he had met with Rod Rosenstein in May of 2017.
  2. Rep. Ratcliffe forced Mueller to admit that the “not exonerated” standard does not exist, is not authorized by any DOJ policy, and has never been applied to anyone other than Trump. Mueller’s defense in this regard was that Trump is “unique.” I.E. Orange Man Bad.
  3. Rep Gohmert asked Mueller who wrote the statement that Mueller read in his infamous press conference at the end of May. Mueller replied he wasn’t going to get into that. Gohmert replied, “that’s what I thought. You didn’t write it.” Mueller made no reply (I.E., he did not dispute that he did not write his own statement.) Gohmert then cited numerous news articles that have identified Mueller and James Comey as friends and asked Mueller if he and Comey are friends. Mueller replied that they were work colleagues who started at the DOJ at the same time. Gohmert replied to the effect, “That’s not my question. Were you friends? You can work together and not be friends. You were friends.” To which Mueller admitted, “We were friends.”
  4. The Democrats keep on breathlessly discussing the report’s claims  about the ways that Trump supposedly obstructed justice, such as that he called White House Counsel Don McGahn on a weekend to discuss Mueller. The fact that Trump called McGahn at home on a Saturday is apparently quite important. In addition, several Democrats have cited the Report’s finding that Trump tweeted his displeasure about the investigation.

 

Even Chris Wallace of Fox News, who is a registered Democrat who has often bought in to the Russia Collusion Hoax, thinks that the testimony is a “disaster.”

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  1. Ed G. Member
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    I’m not convinced this is a disaster for the Dems. My impression is that they’re slick and coordinated in making a case for obstruction. I don’t agree with their case because the entire thing has a weak to nonexistent foundation and because they are relying on the worst characterizations of each of these instances. However, if they can obfuscate their way through that and sneak in their assumptions then the case they’re making is coming off like the impeachable offenses are ubiquitous. 

    Part of the Republicans job today should have been to undermine that case (not just the foundation) and I think they mostly whiffed on that part.

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  2. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
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    I am, as of this moment, 3/4 through Gregg Jarrett’s Russia Hoax. Seeing all of the events in ordered form without the MSM commentariat to interpret it is truly remarkable, and what stands out is really simple. I don’t think that this was an organized conspiracy. However, there is no question that a very large number of Democrats in public office, in the FBI, and in other influencial places simply felt it was their duty to obstruct in any way they could the presidency of Donald Trump. Some like those in the Hillary campaign who had the Steele Dosier created are unquestionably liars and manipulators. I think that Mueller is essentially a moral man, a man of some integrity. However, I don’t believe that he was in any way a fan of Donald Trump. I believe he went on a fishing expedition convinced that he would find some evidence of malfeasance largely because his buddy, Jim Comey, told him there would be evidence found. I do believe that he was disappointed, but was unwilling to manufacture what didn’t already exist, and that he is embarrassed at being part of this entire hoax. I think, this factor more than any other is responsible for his repeated unwillingness to expand beyond what appears in the report. The final “non-exoneration” was as far as he could be pushed, and may not even be his language or true belief.

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  3. Max Ledoux Admin
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    One of the last Democrats to question Mueller in this morning’s hearing, Rep Madeline Dean, I believe, mistakenly referred to Mueller as “Director Mother,” before quickly correctly herself. An interesting and amusing slip of the tongue. The Democrats really wanted Mueller, like mommy, to swoop in and fix everything for them.

    I think if Mueller was actually a moral man he would not have staffed his team with Trump-haters and would have ended his investigation as soon as he discovered there was no “collusion.” Instead he dragged it out past the mid-terms. I speculate that he hoped the longer it went on that he could definitively accuse Trump of obstruction. But he couldn’t even do that. So he inverted the very foundation of our system of justice, that everyone is presumed innocent, and declared that Trump was “not exonerated.” That is, in my option, profoundly immoral. 

    The Democrats are reduced to reminded everyone that obstruction does not require an underlying crime or that the supposedly obstructive even be effective or even carried out. I have a hard time believing the American public will buy the idea that if there was no crime to begin with and no actual obstruction, that that counts as obstruction. That literally makes no sense. Maybe I’m mischaracterizing the argument, but Democrats have repeatedly stated this morning that there need not be an underlying crime and that the obstructive act need not be successful.

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  4. Max Ledoux Admin
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    Twitter censors video of Mueller testimony: “This media may contain sensitive material.”

    The video shows Rep. Jim Jordan questioning Mueller:

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  5. Aaron Miller Member
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    Remember that half of Americans will only learn what Democrat lapdogs tell them about these meetings. No evidence is automatically consequential.

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  6. JamesSalerno Coolidge
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    Not knowing what Fusion GPS is was just so bizarre. Mueller has to have dementia or something. There is no other logical explanation. This would be like not knowing what the black glove is in the closing arguments of the O.J. case.

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  7. RyanFalcone Member
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    It is almost like he was doped up by his Democrat handlers beforehand so that he would be incapable of giving clear enough answers to implicate them.

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  8. Ed G. Member
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    JamesSalerno (View Comment):

    Not knowing what Fusion GPS is was just so bizarre. Mueller has to have dementia or something. There is no other logical explanation. This would be like not knowing what the black glove is in the closing arguments of the O.J. case.

    Actually there is a better explanation: this was a witch hunt with a particular witch as its target right from the beginning. It was always about “getting” Trump and never about the cover story of Russian influence in our election or whether our election was actually affected by foreign influence. If it had actually been about the cover story then Mueller’s incuriosity about Mifsud and the provenance and veracity of the Steele dossier would make the whole special counsel entity appallingly incompetent at best. Furthermore, if Mueller knew early on that there was no conspiracy and that there was probably little to no actual influence, then continuing on trying to construct an obstruction case is just corrupt, biased politicization at best.

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  9. Quietpi Member
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    Question re: procedures and polemics – Many, maybe all Republicans “yielded time” back to the chair.  After the last Republican had finished and “yielded time,” it sounded like the chair let any Democrat use the remaining time to ask more questions. or more specifically, ask a question or two, then putting their spin on it, in the form of completing Mueller’s response with the “conclusion” s/he/X wanted, as if Mueller had said it.  Then Mueller was not given a chance to respond, if he had been so inclined, which I doubt, but I digress.  

    If this is the case, then the Republicans failed once again to adequately plan ahead so that they would not have granted the Dem’s the opportunity to put their spin on the entire show charade.

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  10. Quietpi Member
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    JamesSalerno (View Comment):

    Not knowing what Fusion GPS is was just so bizarre. Mueller has to have dementia or something. There is no other logical explanation. This would be like not knowing what the black glove is in the closing arguments of the O.J. case.

    This is incomprehensible.  And v.e.r.y. revealing.

    Often in interviewing and testimony, one learns more from what is not said than from what is said.

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  11. Roderic Fabian Reagan
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    Isn’t it a shame that Mueller suddenly came down with Alzheimer’s disease?

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  12. Kozak Member
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    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Twitter censors video of Mueller testimony: “This media may contain sensitive material.”

    The video shows Rep. Jim Jordan questioning Mueller:

    Jesus. Twitter is officially a propaganda organ of the Democratic Party.  

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  13. Aaron Miller Member
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    Is Mueller simply refusing to answer anything at all? Andrew McCarthy says the DoJ declared before the hearing he doesn’t have to answer anything beyond the report.

    Presumably, even a question which springs off something in the report can be dodged if it requires any new information. And if new information can be dodged every time, I’m not sure why this hearing should interest us.

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  14. Franco Member
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    Not to forget, Mueller is a Republican! An obvious never-trumper. This faction is fully revealed and disgraced.

    Former FBI director!

    The swamp is vile and incompetent. I fear for my country. We are being attacked viciously by the left and the deep state is complicit and/or incapable. They just want control. Absolute control. They don’t have to care, study, or even judge. They just act like drones with dementia and taxpayers pay their salaries, health insurance and pensions. This guy spent upwards of 22 million of our money on this nothingburger.

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  15. Percival Thatcher
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    One of the Republicans should have burned a question and asked Mueller when he first became aware of the Mueller report.

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  16. Django Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    One of the Republicans should have burned a question and asked Mueller when he first became aware of the Mueller report.

    Or at least asked if he had bothered to read it. 

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  17. Basil Fawlty Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):
    Jesus. Twitter is officially a propaganda organ of the Democratic Party.

    Democrat Party, Shirley.

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  18. Max Ledoux Admin
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    Quietpi (View Comment):
    If this is the case, then the Republicans failed once again to adequately plan ahead so that they would not have granted the Dem’s the opportunity to put their spin on the entire show charade.

    The Democrats are in the majority so they have more time.  This is not an example of the Republicans failing to plan ahead, other than that they lost the midterms. 

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  19. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Quietpi (View Comment):
    If this is the case, then the Republicans failed once again to adequately plan ahead so that they would not have granted the Dem’s the opportunity to put their spin on the entire show charade.

    The Democrats are in the majority so they have more time. This is not an example of the Republicans failing to plan ahead, other than that they lost the midterms.

    It seems like a failure to coordinate to me. Democrats had written the report (literally!), prepped the witness, and colluded with each other on the talking points. Individual Republicans were excellent, but as a group, I’m not sure they had a game plan or knew which plays to run. 

    I’m with Drew. I didn’t realize I could loathe Democrats more until this hearing. Now I know. 

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  20. Django Member
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    RyanFalcone (View Comment):

    It is almost like he was doped up by his Democrat handlers beforehand so that he would be incapable of giving clear enough answers to implicate them.

    The most extreme interpretation I have heard so far is that Democrats are happy with his performance and will use it to claim he couldn’t possibly have done a competent investigation. We, of course, need another investigation of Trump led by someone else. 

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  21. RyanFalcone Member
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    Django (View Comment):

    RyanFalcone (View Comment):

    It is almost like he was doped up by his Democrat handlers beforehand so that he would be incapable of giving clear enough answers to implicate them.

    The most extreme interpretation I have heard so far is that Democrats are happy with his performance and will use it to claim he couldn’t possibly have done a competent investigation. We, of course, need another investigation of Trump led by someone else.

    Oh, I see what you are saying. They didn’t dope him up. They actually just all got totally baked together. That makes significantly more sense.

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  22. JamesSalerno Coolidge
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    Django (View Comment):

    RyanFalcone (View Comment):

    It is almost like he was doped up by his Democrat handlers beforehand so that he would be incapable of giving clear enough answers to implicate them.

    The most extreme interpretation I have heard so far is that Democrats are happy with his performance and will use it to claim he couldn’t possibly have done a competent investigation. We, of course, need another investigation of Trump led by someone else.

    Jesus. That is actually very plausible. And scary.

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  23. Django Member
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    JamesSalerno (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    RyanFalcone (View Comment):

    It is almost like he was doped up by his Democrat handlers beforehand so that he would be incapable of giving clear enough answers to implicate them.

    The most extreme interpretation I have heard so far is that Democrats are happy with his performance and will use it to claim he couldn’t possibly have done a competent investigation. We, of course, need another investigation of Trump led by someone else.

    Jesus. That is actually very plausible. And scary.

    If the Democrats thought that would fly, they’d do it. The only question I have is how many RINOs and other pond scum would join with them. 

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