Who’s Considered Patriotic and Who Isn’t Is Weird

 

Lately, I have been thinking of Megan Rapinoe as compared to Rob Smith and how bizarre and fascinating the human soul is. Let me digress … Megan Rapinoe grew up in Redding, CA which, being in Northern California, was probably not a hotbed of homophobia. Then she went to college in Portland and played soccer thereafter. Later, she bounced around playing for different teams. Currently, she plays for the Seattle Reigns.

I have no doubt that someone somewhere was mean to Ms. Rapinoe because she was gay, but I quite doubt that she has ever experienced systemic anti-gay discrimination. In fact, she has spent her life in the least homophobic cities in America at the least homophobic time in American history. There is gay marriage in all 50 states, nearly every company celebrates pride month as a way to recruit talented gay people, and Republicans invited the openly homosexual Peter Thiel to speak at the 2016 National Republican Convention.

What’s more, I cannot help but observe that she hates the most pro-gay president in American history.

Alternatively, Rob Smith is about as far from Megan Rapinoe as he can be with the exception of his sexual orientation. He is a gay black fellow who grew up with a single mom in one of the worst school districts in America. He joined the army during “don’t ask, don’t tell.” After his service, he got arrested while protesting that policy. But he really loves America. Listen to him talk for two minutes.

 

See what I mean? The guy really loves this whole red, white, and blue shebang.

Imagine a visitor from Mars, who should expect that Megan Rapinoe would be super patriotic because she is a millionaire who never had to suffer racial discrimination, never had to worry about being shot in service to her country and (probably) experienced less homophobia than a black soldier in the military.

Perhaps the most objectionable thing about Megan Rapinoe is that she has said in a tweet to President Trump, “You’re excluding me, you’re excluding people that look like me, you’re excluding people of color, you’re excluding Americans that maybe support you.”

Now Trump is … Trumpy. He says many things that are vulgar and indecent, and he will continue to say vulgar and indecent things because … well, he is Trump. But Trump has been very welcoming of homosexuals into the Republican Party, and he has been unusually effective in convincing black and Hispanic Americans to vote Republican. Recently, he has been incapable of giving a speech without mentioning how low black and Hispanic unemployment is. While I am not a particularly big fan of Trump, I am very grateful that he never shuts up about this because if more black and Hispanic Americans vote for Republicans, the party will be pressured to think of ways to improve the lives of blacks and Hispanics.

But most of all, anyone who supports Trump is loved by Trump. He may be a narcissist, but he is not a bigot.

I bring this up because I find it bizarre that a homosexual would pretend that Trump excludes gays when he so obviously does not.

Meanwhile, Rob Smith rejects victimhood both as a black-American and a gay-American and became more Republican after the Pulse nightclub shooting.

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But I suppose that patriotism has always worked like that. Soldiers who suffer the most for our country* are our most patriotic citizens and the people who suffer least (or not at all) are usually the most antagonistic. Why is that?

* Boss Mongo has a theory about the whole thing. He observed that in the Korean war, the POWs who collaborated the most the communists were the richer and higher class folks. He said, “Maybe people disdain gifts and benefits they haven’t had to strive for, and adopt an ‘it’s a rental’ perspective with liberty.”

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There are 23 comments.

  1. Arahant Member

    Henry Castaigne: * So Boss Mongo has a theory about the whole thing. He observed that in the Korean war, the POWs who collaborated the most the communists were the richer and higher class folks. He mentioned that, “Maybe people disdain gifts and benefits they haven’t had to strive for, and adopt an ‘it’s a rental’ perspective with liberty.”

    Possible, I suppose. I suspect another portion is the regional environment. I grew up in an old Southern family. Certain ideas were inculcated from a young age. I’m sure that Miss R. never saw any of those ideas taken seriously in California, Portland, or Seattle.

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    • July 17, 2019, at 9:56 PM PDT
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  2. Arahant Member

    Also, there is the question of defining patriotic, but that was another thread.

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    • July 17, 2019, at 9:59 PM PDT
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  3. OkieSailor Member
    1. Nothing free is valued and that applies on a sliding scale. Whatever comes too easy has little value and whatever comes at great cost has great value.
    2. Whenever people are given things they should have earned it creates resentment not gratitude in them.
    3. The more people get without earning it the more they demand.
    4. People who are mis-educated tend to believe the lies and incorrect information they have been fed. This includes but is not limited to the victimology prevalent in our schools, media, social internet and folklore today.
    5. This is a toxic stew that guarantees behavior like we see from privileged snowflakes and should not be surprising let alone shocking.
    6. They should be ignored, not admired for their clueless rantings but the chase for readers and viewers (money) makes that impossible.
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    • July 18, 2019, at 2:07 AM PDT
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  4. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher

    OkieSailor (View Comment):

    1. Nothing free is valued and that applies on a sliding scale. Whatever comes too easy has little value and whatever comes at great cost has great value.
    2. Whenever people are given things they should have earned it creates resentment not gratitude in them.
    3. The more people get without earning it the more they demand.
    4. People who are mis-educated tend to believe the lies and incorrect information they have been fed. This includes but is not limited to the victimology prevalent in our schools, media, social internet and folklore today.
    5. This is a toxic stew that guarantees behavior like we see from privileged snowflakes and should not be surprising let alone shocking.
    6. They should be ignored, not admired for their clueless rantings but the chase for readers and viewers (money) makes that impossible.

    Yes! Yes! Yes!

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    • July 18, 2019, at 5:30 AM PDT
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  5. Michael Brehm Member

    Henry Castaigne: So Boss Mongo has a theory about the whole thing. He observed that in the Korean war, the POWs who collaborated the most the communists were the richer and higher class folks. He mentioned that, “Maybe people disdain gifts and benefits they haven’t had to strive for, and adopt an ‘it’s a rental’ perspective with liberty.”

    That reminds me of the essay “Who Goes Nazi?” by Dorothy Thompson and published in Harpers in 1941. (As an aside: it seems to me that if that hypothetical dinner party were held today, the guests who would be making the biggest to-do about “punching Nazis” would be the same ones who would have “gone Nazi” back in ’41.)

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  6. Columbo Member

    It is like pornography … I know it when I see it.

    You can’t fake it and it is obvious when you don’t have it.

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    • July 18, 2019, at 7:39 AM PDT
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  7. kylez Member

    And she didn’t come out until later.

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    • July 18, 2019, at 12:02 PM PDT
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  8. CuriousKevmo Member

    In fairness – slightly at least — Redding isn’t SF, it’s much further north and has more of a rural feel to it so she most likely did encounter a bit of homophobia. Modest probably, but more than 0.

    That said, I’m not defending her, I find her repulsive.

    Now that Smith character is the Bee’s Knees!

     

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    • July 18, 2019, at 12:14 PM PDT
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  9. Western Chauvinist Member

    We just finished watching the series, Turn: Washington’s Spies, about the War for Independence, a couple nights ago. It inspired a greater sense of patriotism seeing what was sacrificed (even though fictionalized) to create this country. I highly recommend it, but fast forward past all the sex and gruesome torture. 

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    • July 18, 2019, at 12:15 PM PDT
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  10. DavidBSable Coolidge

    But I suppose that patriotism has always worked like that. Soldiers who suffer the most for our country* are our most patriotic citizens and the people who suffer least (or not at all) are usually the most antagonistic. Why is that?

    I think suffering tends to produce gratitude (sometimes bitterness but usually gratitude). I think prosperity without much sacrifice and effort produces dissatisfaction, boredom, and lack of appreciation. Maybe because we are wired to work hard and endure, not be coddled.

    The so-called greatest generation sacrificed through the depression and WWII and were extremely patriotic.

    The Baby Boomer generation grew up with the 1950’s affluence sparking the dissatisfaction, rebellion, and angst of the 1960 youth.

    These are generalities, of course, not absolutely true of every single person born in these periods. But it does illustrate a spiritual principle: those who suffer often have the most gratitude and those who receive abundantly without the expectation of effort are the most dissatisfied and spoiled.

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  11. kylez Member

    CuriousKevmo (View Comment):

    In fairness – slightly at least — Redding isn’t SF, it’s much further north and has more of a rural feel to it so she most likely did encounter a bit of homophobia. Modest probably, but more than 0.

    That said, I’m not defending her, I find her repulsive.

    Now that Smith character is the Bee’s Knees!

     

    And this would depend on what “homophobia” means. 

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  12. Saxonburg Member

    When she said “You’re excluding me, you’re excluding people that look like me, you’re excluding people of color, you’re excluding Americans that maybe support you.”, she was quoting from the bible of intersectionality. Unfortunately she has white skin, so she must use her sexual preference to claim commonality with the multitude of aggrieved groups who claim that the existence of Trump aggrieves them more than they have ever been aggrieved before.

     

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  13. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne Post author

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    I highly recommend it, but fast forward past all the sex and gruesome torture. 

    But Game of Thrones is canceled.

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  14. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne Post author

    Saxonburg (View Comment):

    When she said “You’re excluding me, you’re excluding people that look like me, you’re excluding people of color, you’re excluding Americans that maybe support you.”, she was quoting from the bible of intersectionality. Unfortunately she has white skin, so she must use her sexual preference to claim commonality with the multitude of aggrieved groups who claim that the existence of Trump aggrieves them more than they have ever been aggrieved before.

     

    But Trump has been accepting of people of color and homosexuals. So why does Trump aggrieve the intersectional crowd so?

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  15. Arahant Member

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    But Trump has been accepting of people of color and homosexuals. So why does Trump aggrieve the intersectional crowd so?

    Because in the end, it is always about socialism and the new utopia.

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  16. Western Chauvinist Member

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    But Trump has been accepting of people of color and homosexuals. So why does Trump aggrieve the intersectional crowd so?

    Because in the end, it is always about socialism and the new utopia.

    It’s about the power to make you do what’s “good” for you.

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  17. Michelle Cordero Contributor

    Henry Castaigne: Soldiers who suffer the most for our country* are our most patriotic citizens and the people who suffer least (or not at all) are usually the most antagonistic. Why is that?

    I love this. 

    I’m going to need to think about this a lot more but as some one who grew up in a somewhat unstable situation and had go through some tough things, things that give you grit, I think that helps you appreciate that we live in a place where you can come from nothing and turn it into something. 

    But still your post makes me say. “Damn! So true.”

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  18. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member

    Who am I? This is the answer to the Jeopardy question: “A guy living under a rock in Arizona for the past 20 years.”

    I had no idea that Peter Thiel was homosexual. I’ve seen recordings of his talks a few times, and he never mentioned it. Perhaps he has done so elsewhere. Perhaps it’s just that, since he’s not a Leftist, he doesn’t announce his sexual orientation every time he talks.

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  19. Full Size Tabby Member

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Who am I? This is the answer to the Jeopardy question: “A guy living under a rock in Arizona for the past 20 years.”

    I had no idea that Peter Thiel was homosexual. I’ve seen recordings of his talks a few times, and he never mentioned it. Perhaps he has done so elsewhere. Perhaps it’s just that, since he’s not a Leftist, he doesn’t announce his sexual orientation every time he talks.

    One of the consequences arising from my getting very little of my information from visual sources (I prefer to read print versions, including transcripts) is that I miss a bunch of visual cues.

    I did not realize until after he died that Charles Krauthammer had a physical disability.

    I wrote off Don Lemon as a spouter of complete nonsense long before I learned he was black (for a long time I did not understand why his name came up in discussions of race). 

    The visuals don’t usually matter for homosexuals (unless they’re waving rainbow flags, in which case I know they are bullies), but not seeing most visuals helps me avoid irrelevant sideshows.

    When reading print words rather than watching video, I also see how little sense and logic there is in much of what public people say. 

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  20. MarciN Member

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    But Trump has been accepting of people of color and homosexuals. So why does Trump aggrieve the intersectional crowd so?

    Because in the end, it is always about socialism and the new utopia.

    It’s about the power to make you do what’s “good” for you.

    I have been thinking lately that it’s really simple: they just want our money.

    Socialist takeovers always follow periods of prosperity.

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  21. Randy Webster Member

    MarciN (View Comment):
    Socialist takeovers always follow periods of prosperity.

    That can be read two ways: Periods of prosperity always lead to socialism, or socialism can only happen after periods of prosperity. Which did you mean?

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  22. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne Post author

    I think I came to a deeper understanding of my own writing after I read Victor Frankl. Here is the thing, soldiers interpret their suffering as filled with meaning so they become more patriotic in their suffering. According to Mr. Frankl, religious people with a strong faith became more religious after the Holocaust and people with nominal faith lost their religion completely. 

    Whatever homophobia Megan Rapinoe suffered in her life it was interpreted as being because of the capitalist patriarchy. Her meaning derives from progressivism and victimhood. Rob Smith not unlike Patriotic black and Japanese American veterans before him felt that his resisting don’t ask don’t was filled with meaning because it would improve the country he defended and loves. 

    Meaning is a very big deal. Quite possibly a bigger deal than human suffering which is a very big deal indeed.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  23. Western Chauvinist Member

    I read Frankl as saying people were/are able to survive immense suffering if they have meaning. They are more fully human in the midst of suffering. I think that’s right. 

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