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Walter Williams recalls a time when kids brought guns to high school for shooting practice in New York City, no police were needed in inner-city Philadelphia schools, and the marriage rates were higher in the black communities than in the white communities.

If guns haven’t changed, it must be that people, and what’s considered acceptable behavior, have changed. Violence with guns is just a tiny example. What explains a lot of what we see today is growing cultural deviancy. Twenty-nine percent of white children, 53% of Hispanic children and 73% of black children are born to unmarried women. The absence of a husband and father in the home is a strong contributing factor to poverty, school failure, crime, drug abuse, emotional disturbance and a host of other social problems. By the way, the low marriage rate among blacks is relatively new. Census data shows that a slightly higher percentage of black adults had married than white adults from 1890 to 1940. According to the 1938 Encyclopaedia of the Social Sciences, that year only 11% of black children and 3% of white children were born to unwed mothers.
Granted things were not perfect in those days, but in some very important ways better than they are now.
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There are 17 comments.

  1. Arahant Member

    Yeah. I was on my high school’s rifle team. We had a shooting range underneath the gymnasium.

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    • July 17, 2019, at 3:28 PM PST
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  2. Randy Webster Member

    I went to 4 high schools: Portland, Oregon; Klamath Falls, Oregon; Green Brier, TN, and Camp Springs, MD. I don’t recall any having shooting clubs, though Klamath Falls and Green Brier were pretty small town.

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    • July 17, 2019, at 5:13 PM PST
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  3. JoelB Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Yeah. I was on my high school’s rifle team. We had a shooting range underneath the gymnasium.

    IIRC my high school had the same arrangement. I was not on the team, but I thought the rifles were specially designed for target shooting.

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    • July 17, 2019, at 6:55 PM PST
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  4. Al French, poor excuse for a p… Member

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Yeah. I was on my high school’s rifle team. We had a shooting range underneath the gymnasium.

    My high school had a rifle range under the gym. I remember shooting there, but I wasn’t part of a team that competed with other schools.

    When we were twelve, my father gave us single shot .22 rifles. We used to carry them up the street to the woods at the edge of town when we felt like target practicing.

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    • July 17, 2019, at 8:18 PM PST
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  5. Arahant Member

    JoelB (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Yeah. I was on my high school’s rifle team. We had a shooting range underneath the gymnasium.

    IIRC my high school had the same arrangement. I was not on the team, but I thought the rifles were specially designed for target shooting.

    Any rifles will do so long as they are all the same. Ours were not special target rifles. They were only .22s, but they were standard issue across the system.

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    • July 17, 2019, at 8:39 PM PST
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  6. Django Member

    IIRC, one could order an Iver Johnson .22 caliber revolver from Sears Roebuck in the early 1960s. Gun safety classes were taught in my high school. 

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    • July 17, 2019, at 10:03 PM PST
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  7. Bob W Member

    When I was in high school in the mid 50’s I purchased a Ruger 22 semi auto pistol by going to the local hardware store, picking it off the shelf and taking it to the counter. I paid $37.50 for it. The transaction was no different than buying anything else. This was in central Calif. and I was 16.

     A couple of us were plinking in the dry river bed that ran near town one day and the Sheriff showed up. He asked us to stop and explained that it was too close to town. He said when we wanted to shoot we could go to his place that was a ways out of town.

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    • July 18, 2019, at 12:46 AM PST
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  8. Arahant Member

    Those are a great pair of stories, Bob W.

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    • July 18, 2019, at 1:29 AM PST
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  9. Randy Webster Member

    Bob W (View Comment):
    When I was in high school in the mid 50’s I purchased a Ruger 22 semi auto pistol

    That’s the one that causes high blood pressure when you try to put it back together.

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    • July 18, 2019, at 3:18 AM PST
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  10. Pony Convertible Member

    I went hunting before school in the morning. My rifle would sit in the gun rack, in the back window, in the school parking lot all day. Nobody had a reason to be concerned about it.

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    • July 18, 2019, at 5:30 AM PST
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  11. DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey Member

    Pony Convertible (View Comment):

    I went hunting before school in the morning. My rifle would sit in the gun rack, in the back window, in the school parking lot all day. Nobody had a reason to be concerned about it.

    Same, except the kids who went hunting before school were encouraged to bring their guns into the school for safe-keeping.

    Our school also had hunter safety classes, and yes, kids brought their guns in for those, too.

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    • July 18, 2019, at 8:08 AM PST
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  12. Bob W Member

     

    Randy Webster (View Comment):
    Randy Webster

    Bob W (View Comment):
    When I was in high school in the mid 50’s I purchased a Ruger 22 semi auto pistol

    That’s the one that causes high blood pressure when you try to put it back together.

    That was the very first model that they came out with and I don’t remember having that much trouble with it. I would still have it but a friend left it in his car overnight and it was stolen. I recently got the urge to replace it and bought a Browning Buckmark. Not only have prices skyrocketed but what a hassle to buy! Now that I have another 22 I find that there is nowhere to shoot it around here except the range. And that isn’t as fun as cans.

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    • July 18, 2019, at 8:11 AM PST
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  13. Randy Webster Member

    Bob W (View Comment):

     

    Randy Webster (View Comment):
    Randy Webster

    Bob W (View Comment):
    When I was in high school in the mid 50’s I purchased a Ruger 22 semi auto pistol

    That’s the one that causes high blood pressure when you try to put it back together.

    That was the very first model that they came out with and I don’t remember having that much trouble with it. I would still have it but a friend left it in his car overnight and it was stolen. I recently got the urge to replace it and bought a Browning Buckmark. Not only have prices skyrocketed but what a hassle to buy! Now that I have another 22 I find that there is nowhere to shoot it around here except the range. And that isn’t as fun as cans.

    That Ruger 22 is about $470 now. 

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    • July 18, 2019, at 8:34 AM PST
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  14. Vectorman Thatcher

    Randy Webster (View Comment):
    That Ruger 22 is about $470 now.

    In addition to standard inflation, all the paper work adds to the cost. And not as many war surplus guns to compete with your purchase.


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    • July 19, 2019, at 4:00 AM PST
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  15. Mike Rapkoch Member

    Bob W (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):
    Randy Webster

    Bob W (View Comment):
    When I was in high school in the mid 50’s I purchased a Ruger 22 semi auto pistol

    That’s the one that causes high blood pressure when you try to put it back together.

    That was the very first model that they came out with and I don’t remember having that much trouble with it. I would still have it but a friend left it in his car overnight and it was stolen. I recently got the urge to replace it and bought a Browning Buckmark. Not only have prices skyrocketed but what a hassle to buy! Now that I have another 22 I find that there is nowhere to shoot it around here except the range. And that isn’t as fun as cans.

    Or gophers.

    I don’t know how things are now, but as kids my friends and I would take .22s to ranches and shoot the little buggers. The ranchers were pleased because gopher holes are a trap for cattle to break legs. Once we were old enough we didn’t need parental supervision. We knew from our fathers and hunter’s safety classes how to handle firearms safely. I sometimes wish I’d kept my rifles, but I haven’t been hunting in over 20 years so there’s no point really.

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    • July 19, 2019, at 1:24 PM PST
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  16. Steven Seward Member

    Walter Williams is one of my favorite political pundits. 

    Every time I hear people say that the legacy of Slavery is what causes all the social ills in the Black community, I like to point out that these social ills only started in the 1960’s. Before that, there was no soaring crime rates, rampant drug abuse, high illegitimacy rate, or high unemployment in the Black Community. You would think that Slavery had just ended during Lyndon Johnson’s administration instead of Andrew Johnson’s.

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    • July 21, 2019, at 12:06 AM PST
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  17. JoelB Member
    JoelB Post author

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Walter Williams is one of my favorite political pundits.

    Every time I hear people say that the legacy of Slavery is what causes all the social ills in the Black community, I like to point out that these social ills only started in the 1960’s. Before that, there was no soaring crime rates, rampant drug abuse, high illegitimacy rate, or high unemployment in the Black Community. You would think that Slavery had just ended during Lyndon Johnson’s administration instead of Andrew Johnson’s.

    Yes, it’s about way more than guns. Thanks, @steven-seward

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    • July 21, 2019, at 2:20 PM PST
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