Contributor Post Created with Sketch. What Hath the Tea Party Wrought?

 

Not much that’s good, according to my editorial board colleague, Dorothy Rabinowitz. Have a listen.

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  1. DrewInWisconsin Doesn't C… Coolidge

    I don’t think I need to hear Yet Another Pundit explain why they hate the Tea Party movement. I think I’ve heard it all by now.

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    • September 25, 2013, at 4:04 AM PDT
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  2. Nat Brooks Inactive

    Oh come on! Ms. Rabinowitz is totally off it. This is the level non-argument that Senator Cruz conjures up?… I thought I was listening to some crank off MSNBC. No facts just vitriol. Until those on the right come to our senses and understand this a battle between Americanism (Mr. Cruz and company) and European Socialism, then we will lose this great experiment forever. The Socialists are playing for keeps. The GOP are playing for preferential parking on Capital Hill. Come on Ms. Rabinowitz, you can do much better than this! Ugh!

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    • September 25, 2013, at 4:07 AM PDT
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  3. DrewInWisconsin Doesn't C… Coolidge
    Nat Brooks: No facts just vitriol.

    Yep. Pretty much just a pile of ad hominem insults like “extremist” and “insane” and no actual content.

    I shouldn’t have listened, because she was making me very angry.

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    • September 25, 2013, at 4:16 AM PDT
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  4. DrewInWisconsin Doesn't C… Coolidge
    Nat Brooks: The Socialists are playing for keeps. The GOP are playing for preferential parking on Capital Hill.

    And people like Dorothy Rabinowitz will do just fine no matter what happens. The establishment will still have their jobs. They’ll either get a nice waiver or they’re wealthy enough that it won’t matter.

    Meanwhile, out here in the real world, people are losing jobs, having hours cut back, watching their premiums skyrocket or losing the coverage they have, or just going broke because of rising costs. 

    And Rabinowitz and her ilk just want us to accept it and move on?

    Hell no.

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    • September 25, 2013, at 4:20 AM PDT
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  5. Ontos Inactive

    The Tea Party has succeeded in getting the WSJ and the comfortable Beltway pundits who really are sympathetic with the statist entity, and people like Mary and Dorothy –and many others, to reveal what they are really made of and how we really cannot count on them when a fight is needed. They [the smarty pants pundits] are oh so smart, but Cruz and his friends are today on the Senate Floor, talking to the American people and they are the only Senators who I could imagine listening to for hours.

    You are all such smart pundits, but Cruz et alia have found a way to get past your horrible filters.

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    • September 25, 2013, at 4:21 AM PDT
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  6. John Walker Contributor

    It is not epistemic closure but simply objective reality, demonstrated by history, that almost every policy prescription by the coastal élites since the end of the Cold War, and many since the New Deal, have simply been wrong. Why anybody pays attention to what they think after such a track record is a mystery.

    They are aligned with the ruling class, and have no identification with the shrinking minority of productive citizens who are taxed and regulated until bled white to feed the appetite of leviathan. The Tea Party is the voice of these heartland exemplars of the spirit which made the U.S. exceptional. Of course they are held in contempt by editorial boards in the failing metropolises.

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    • September 25, 2013, at 4:24 AM PDT
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  7. DrewInWisconsin Doesn't C… Coolidge
    Ontos: The Tea Party has succeeded in getting the WSJ and the comfortable Beltway pundits who really are sympathetic with the statist entity, and people like Mary and Dorothy –and many others, to reveal what they are really made of and how we really cannot count on them when a fight is needed.

    Be fair to Mary. She did try to challenge Rabinowitz’s position, but Dorothy was having none of it.

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    • September 25, 2013, at 4:26 AM PDT
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  8. DrewInWisconsin Doesn't C… Coolidge

    It’s the Underpants Gnomes method of getting votes.

    1. Jettison the party of all conservatives.

    2. ???

    3. Win elections!

    It’s like the GOP has completely forgotten how the Tea Party saved their bacon in 2010.

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    • September 25, 2013, at 4:29 AM PDT
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  9. Paul A. Rahe Contributor
    DrewInWisconsin: It’s the Underpants Gnomes method of getting votes.

    1. Jettison the party of all conservatives.

    2. ???

    3. Win elections!

    It’s like the GOP has completely forgotten how the Tea Party saved their bacon in 2010. · 5 minutes ago

    They have, indeed.

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    • September 25, 2013, at 4:36 AM PDT
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  10. WI Con Member
    WI Con Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    I’m just gobsmacked at the long knives out for Ted Cruz. They act like a lackluster work force that has a go getter that just started, making them look bad. This makes the derision of Rand Paul’s filibuster by the GOP Establishment and Punditry look tame.

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    • September 25, 2013, at 4:43 AM PDT
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  11. Ontos Inactive
    DrewInWisconsin
    Ontos: The Tea Party has succeeded in getting the WSJ and the comfortable Beltway pundits who really are sympathetic with the statist entity, and people like Mary and Dorothy –and many others, to reveal what they are really made of and how we really cannot count on them when a fight is needed.

    Be fair to Mary. She did try to challenge Rabinowitz’s position, but Dorothy was having none of it. · 6 minutes ago

    Maybe, maybe not. I have heard and read Ms. Kissel elsewhere. She can be unkind to the Tea Party or Conservatives in general.

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    • September 25, 2013, at 4:44 AM PDT
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  12. Crow's Nest Inactive

    I can’t even get through this whole interview as the tone Mrs. Rabinowitz has adopted is so thoroughly smug, superior, and condescending, that it is genuinely off-putting–and I don’t even self-identify as a Tea Party member.

    Were it up to me, I’d ask Mrs. Rabinowitz, who seems like she’s been so comfortably ensconced in her post for so long that she’s lost touch (or, perhaps, she was never recognizably anywhere near the center-right in the first place), for her resignation.

    “Mrs. Rabinowitz, don’t let the door hit you on the way out.”

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    • September 25, 2013, at 5:00 AM PDT
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  13. Skarv Coolidge
    Skarv Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Wow! This was nasty.

    The upside is that that they would not come out like this unless they felt really threatened by the Tea Party. We may be stronger than we think.

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    • September 25, 2013, at 5:01 AM PDT
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  14. BrentB67 Inactive
    Skarv: Wow! This was nasty.

    The upside is that that they would not come out like this unless they felt really threatened by the Tea Party. We may be stronger than we think. · 4 minutes ago

    I believe we are much stronger than we think.

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    • September 25, 2013, at 5:08 AM PDT
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  15. Commodore BTC Inactive

    It’s amazing, Ted Cruz has attacked precisely no one personally, he’s merely advocating a course of action. His opponents have disparaged and undercut him at every turn. 

    The course of action is quite simple. Congress has the power of the purse and the GOP has 1) a majority of one house of Congress and 2) enough members in the Senate to mount a filibuster. 

    Cruz advocates using both these powers to defund Obamacare because 1) Obamacare is bad for the country and 2) it’s what they ran on and what their constituents expect them to do. 

    Even if this effort fails, it’s well worth fighting, because when Obamacare is implemented, everyone will be keenly aware of which party opposed it, because of the principled stand by Ted Cruz and the attention he brought to the issue.

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    • September 25, 2013, at 5:09 AM PDT
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  16. Jim Ixtian Inactive
    Ontos I was appalled at the choice that she be an Editor.

    Me too. It was quite revealing about her and the powers that be at Ricochet that she was chosen and then proceeded to call those opposed to the abominable immigration reform scheme ‘racists’, ‘backwards’, and associate them with the Nazi’s ‘Blood & Soil’ policy.

    And that was the first week she was on Ricochet.

    If it weren’t for Ricochet members and a few exceptional people on the Main Page I would not have renewed my membership to Ricochet.

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    • September 25, 2013, at 5:10 AM PDT
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  17. Sandy Member

    And where does Ms. Rabinowitz get the idea that it is novel to run against Washington? People of all stripes have been doing that forever.

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    • September 25, 2013, at 5:16 AM PDT
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  18. Ontos Inactive

    Dorothy Rabinowitz: “This maniacal effort to shut the government down.”

    She sounds like a NYT editorialist, lost in the clouds of her clubby fears and prejudices. And this is on the Editorial Board of the WSJ! I have seen her write well and sensibly 20 to 30 years ago. Sadly, at this point, it is all gone. Maybe this is why the WSJ has become so poor. And, it must be said, Mary Kissel thought it important to showcase this screed that has no thought content. If she had any sense, she would have been embarrassed by this and she should have been kinder to an elderly lady by keeping her from shaming herself. 

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    • September 25, 2013, at 5:17 AM PDT
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  19. Look Away Inactive

    I cannot believe this is the same woman who wrote “No Crueler Tyrannies”. She is, was, one of my heroes. Now, like Peggy Noonan who swooned over Obama, reality intrudes, love is dead.

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    • September 25, 2013, at 5:26 AM PDT
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  20. Benjamin Glaser Inactive

    I say down with the WSJ. 

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    • September 25, 2013, at 5:31 AM PDT
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  21. D.C. McAllister Inactive

    This is disappointing, especially from Dorothy Rabinowitz, whom I admire greatly. The only comment I can make is a plea to Rabinowitz and others like her to see that Washington is not working and that the efforts of the Tea Party are valid because the government is terribly broken—maybe not for the elitist, but definitely for everyone else. If you don’t presuppose that the government is no longer functioning as it should—as is best for American prosperity and strength in an increasing hostile world—then it would be logical for you to think the Tea Party and Ted Cruz (and his ilk) are nuts. Why be forced to take medicine if you don’t think you’re sick? It would be crazy, wouldn’t it? This is how Rabinowitz is viewing the Tea Party and the actions of Rand, Cruz, Lee, et al. We can’t blame her for coming to a logical conclusion based on her presuppositions. However, my question is “How do we get people as talented and intelligent as Rabinowitz to question their own presuppositions?” 

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    • September 25, 2013, at 6:05 AM PDT
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  22. mask Inactive

    If only we could get belt-way “conservatives” to fight like this against liberals.

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    • September 25, 2013, at 6:10 AM PDT
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  23. D.C. McAllister Inactive

    To answer my own question, I would like to make this inquiry: The Tea Party is working from the assumption that the government is no longer functioning in such a way to promote prosperity and freedom for American citizens. Given this premise, the Tea Party is either (1) delusional and crazy, (2) manipulative, power-hungry liars who want to wrest authority from the establishment so they can have it for their own, or (3) right about the country and doing what they think is best to fix a broken system.

    My challenge to journalists like Rabinowitz is to unpack each of those possibilities, not with rhetoric, but with fact. Examine it, study it, explore it—from the grass roots up. Put aside all assumptions that you think the government is okay (though a little shaky) as it is, and explore the possibilities that something else is going on here. You might very well come to the conclusion—after exhaustive investigation—that the Tea Party is nuts. Or you might conclude that they’re just power mongers. Or you might come to the conclusion that they have something to say—something legitimate that could affect the future of every American. 

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    • September 25, 2013, at 6:14 AM PDT
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  24. Benjamin Glaser Inactive

    This is just another example of the fact the coasts just do not understand how angry those of us in flyover country are at the state of our republic. 

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    • September 25, 2013, at 6:23 AM PDT
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  25. Nat Brooks Inactive
    D.C. McAllister: … If you don’t presuppose that the government is no longer functioning as it should—as is best for American prosperity and strength in an increasing hostile world—then it would be logical for you to think the Tea Party and Ted Cruz (and his ilk) are nuts. …

    Opposing ideas that are well founded requires reason, not ad hominem. The problem is Rabinowitz, Medved and others are afraid of tactical defeat and don’t like a bit of cleansing Jacobinism to get the political ball rolling. They can’t give a very reasonable argument against or suitable alternative to the current impasse. They want to believe reason will prevail in the end and we’ll “fix it” … they revert to the old Herb Stein-ism that “what can’t continue won’t”. Sadly, we have heard this music too many times before and what supposedly can’t continue, goes and goes like the Energizer Bunny. It is time to get off this ride.

    Suggest Ms. Rabinowitz be booked on the next Ricochet Podcast. If she’s this strident and condescending with brothers Lileks, Long and Robinson, then she will have voted herself off the island.  
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    • September 25, 2013, at 6:30 AM PDT
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  26. D.C. McAllister Inactive
    Nat Brooks

    Opposing ideas that are well founded requires reason, not ad hominem.

    Very well said.

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    • September 25, 2013, at 6:37 AM PDT
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  27. Richard Fulmer Member
    DrewInWisconsin
    Nat Brooks: No facts just vitriol.

    Yep. Pretty much just a pile of ad hominem insults like “extremist” and “insane” and no actual content.

    Exactly. It’s hard to believe that this sort of thing passes for an argument.

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    • September 25, 2013, at 7:18 AM PDT
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  28. Tom Meyer, Common Citizen Contributor

    There are about a dozen cogent criticisms one could make against the Tea Party: that it doesn’t always choose its battles well; that values force of rhetoric too highly and legislative achievement too lowly; that it hasn’t yet learned to govern, only how to be in opposition; that, in politics, the only way to get some things done is to compromise on others. (For the record, these problems became less pronounced after 2010).

    But Ms. Rabinowitz made none of these arguments; instead she just made ad hominen attacks about how the Tea Party is out of touch and doesn’t represent America. What a waste.

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    • September 25, 2013, at 7:20 AM PDT
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  29. Masked Man Member

    There’s much to admire in Dorothy Rabinowitz’s usual bravery and conviction. Don’t forget, however, how strong a supporter of John McCain she was in the 2008 primaries. Sadly, whatever her many merits, she is an establishment statist. Not totally her fault, though. It’s the bubble she inhabits.

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    • September 25, 2013, at 8:15 AM PDT
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  30. Fricosis Guy Listener

    It sounds like her great fear is that the Tea Party is indeed in touch and wants to pull the GOP towards a series of more populist positions: anti-immigration, anti-interventionist, and anti-corporatist.

    Tom Meyer: There are about a dozen cogent criticisms one could make against the Tea Party: that it doesn’t always choose its battles well; that values force of rhetoric too highly and legislative achievement too lowly; that it hasn’t yet learned to govern, only how to be in opposition; that, in politics, the only way to get some things done is to compromise on others. (For the record, these problems became less pronounced after 2010).

    But Ms. Rabinowitz made none of these arguments; instead she just made ad hominen attacks about how the Tea Party is out of touch and doesn’t represent America. What a waste. · 1 hour ago

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    • September 25, 2013, at 9:02 AM PDT
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