The Antipodes of Ricochet

 

We Ricochet people are not a monolithic bloc. No, no, gentle reader. Outsiders might think we’re just a bunch of old white guys, but we’re actually a mix of disparate individuals, with views that are strewn all over the socio-political landscape.

Unfortunately, we’re diverse in ideas, and that means little to nothing to the race and gender-obsessed scribblers who work for The NY Times and the rest of the MSM. For them, diversity is based almost entirely on the skin color, which comes three simple hues these days: white, brown, and black. But those three colors, according to the Times, now come in twenty or so genders, including alexigender, a gender that is fluid among the various genders, although the individual can’t tell what those genders are. (Yes, that’s real. I Googled it.) You cis-gendered people may need to stop here for a moment while you think on that.

OK, my little screed against The NY Times is over. Back to my thesis: The only thing that holds the Ricochet ship together is what we have in common: a vague social/political big idea called conservatism. Within that broad framework, we’re a diverse lot.

Yes, Ricochet is peopled by an array of antipodal groups: Jews and Christians, atheists and true believers, STEM folk and Luddites, males and females, cat fanciers and dog lovers.

We even have a smattering of hippies. I’m pretty sure the pony-tailed polymath, Mr. Arahant, is a hippie. “She” the goat herder not only eschews makeup, but rumor has it that she plays a didgeridoo. I think that’s hippyish, don’t you? I even have some hippy tendencies in me, remnants of days when I wasn’t so damned old.

We have a ton of Ricocheters on the libertarian side of the conservative spectrum. They sometimes have spirited conversations, within a particular thread, with the more traditional Republicans. Because they’re all conservatives, however, those conversations are always polite, and they pick up after themselves when they’re done.

Of course, we have STEM folks, or Recessed Chin Pencil Geeks as I call them. (When kids, they entered little working volcanoes in science fairs.) Their antipodes are the liberal arts people, or Warm Fuzzies as I like to call them. My choice of sobriquets for the two groups probably gives me away. Yes, I myself am one of the Warm Fuzzies. And when I post my articles, usually as thin as smoke, as flippant as a sitcom teen, the Recessed Chin Pencil Geeks never criticize. I think that’s nice of them. I even occasionally get a Like from a Geek, though I suspect it’s a pity Like.

A more engaged foe of the Fuzzies are the politically involved, or Wonks Who Stayed Awake During Civics Class as I like to call them. If I were a Wonk, I would probably be a bit condescending toward the Warm Fuzzies, who majored in things like literature and art, and therefore know very little about the world. They were the kids who doodled while their teacher droned on and on about the tripartite system of the federal government. But they do know a lot about Alexander Pope’s poems, as if anyone cared.

An interesting antipodal twosome on Ricochet are the Jews and Christians. This divide should generate heat but, in fact, the two sides seem to like one another. I don’t belong to either camp, but I’ve read so many posts by Jewish Ricocheters that Yiddish words — chutzpah, schlemiel, kvetch, and so on — are starting to creep into my conversations. (Uh oh, am I a cultural appropriator?) And I feel oh so New Yorkish sophisticated when I say to my wife as we walk down the streets of Portland, “Did you see the tuchis on that woman?” My wife doesn’t know Yiddish, but she does know a few earthy English expressions.

But as I say, for the Christians and the Jews it’s usually a love fest. In fact, Orthodox Catholics’ exposition of the arcana of their faith would elicit the vilest comments outside of Ricochet, but within it’s all good.

There is, however, one fiery conflict among antipodal Ricocheters: the Never Trumps, or Orange Man Is Bad Contrarians as I call them, versus the Ever Trumps, or the He’s an Idiot But He’s Our Idiot Folk, as I call them.

Each time one of the Never Trumps posts an anti-Trump essay, the Ever Trumps leap into the thread like Vikings into battle. It gets testy. So testy at times that Code of Conduct people, or czarists as I like to call them, swoop down and delete a fiery remark or ad hominem attack.

Too much sweetness on Ricochet undermines my naturally dour nature. As an antidote, I sometimes sit down and soak in every acrid response within the Trump/anti-Trump threads. Sometimes I root for the Never Trumps, but usually for the Ever Trumps. It doesn’t matter. I like the gameplay.

You may harbor an idea or two that would go toward making Ricochet even more diverse. Perhaps you’re an Anarchist entrepreneur with weird ideas. Or an ever-Trump Scientologist. Tell us about your ideas.

Diversity are us.

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There are 28 comments.

  1. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member

    KentForrester:

    Yes, Ricochet is peopled by an array of antipodal groups: Jews and Christians, atheists and true believers, STEM folk and Luddites, males and females, cat fanciers and dog lovers.

    Cat fanciers, here at Ricochet? I’m shocked. Time for a purge!

    Just kidding. I love cats. Especially if they’re thinly sliced and sauteed in a lemon-butter sauce.

    Just kidding. Cats are better pets than dogs in a very important respect. If you return from vacation to discover that something terrible happened to the cat, you don’t care.

    Just kidding.

    On a serious note, I think that the homosexuality issue is almost as contentious here at Ricochet as the President. We don’t seem to have much disagreement about the trans issue, but my impression is that the overwhelming consensus is in opposition to the trans agenda, probably based on a broad consensus that it is a combination of: (1) a genuine and serious mental disorder, and (2) a pose directed at flouting authority and claiming victim status.

    Then there’s the most divisive issue of all. Those darned tattoos.

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    • May 24, 2019, at 8:19 AM PDT
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  2. Front Seat Cat Member

    Wait til the 2020 election really gets underway – hopefully it’ll be raining cats and dogs with plenty of Bob pictures for some relief from the heat….

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    • May 24, 2019, at 9:19 AM PDT
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  3. Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw Member

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    Then there’s the most divisive issue of all. Those darned tattoos.

    Is that really divisive here? Nobody seems to like them, AFAICT. I just like to run into those posts and comment “Stop being so stereotyipical!”

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    • May 24, 2019, at 10:07 AM PDT
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  4. Mark Camp Member

    Ahhhh! In this diverse and quarrelsome world, it is nice to read a post that is so harmonious with my own thoughts that I could have written it myself.

    Even what you said about Recessed Chin Pencil Geeks being reliably nice people. We just are. That is why we don’t criticize posts by Warm Fuzzies. We are too nice, and we have too much respect for them as unique, special human beings. Also, even if we tried to explain why their ideas are technically incorrect, they wouldn’t understand. They’re idiots.

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    • May 24, 2019, at 10:32 AM PDT
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  5. Juliana Member

    I only read your posts for the picture of Bob at the end. ;)

    Ahem. Must have missed it this time.

     

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    • May 24, 2019, at 10:37 AM PDT
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  6. KentForrester Coolidge
    KentForrester Post author

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    Ahhhh! In this diverse and quarrelsome world, it is nice to read a post that is so harmonious with my own thoughts that I could have written it myself.

    Even what you said about Recessed Chin Pencil Geeks being reliably nice people. We just are. That is why we don’t criticize posts by Warm Fuzzies. We are too nice, and we have too much respect for them as unique, special human beings. Also, even if we tried to explain why their ideas are technically incorrect, they wouldn’t understand. They’re idiots.

    Thank Mark. 

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    • May 24, 2019, at 1:01 PM PDT
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  7. KentForrester Coolidge
    KentForrester Post author

    Juliana (View Comment):

    I only read your posts for the picture of Bob at the end. ;)

    Ahem. Must have missed it this time.

    Juliana, here you are. This Warm Fuzzy aims to please.

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    • May 24, 2019, at 1:03 PM PDT
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  8. Henry Castaigne Member

     

    KentForrester: Each time one of the Never Trumps posts an anti-Trump essay, the Ever Trumps leap into the thread like a Viking into battle. It gets testy. So testy at times that Code of Conduct people, or czarists as I like to call them, swoop down and delete a fiery remark or ad hominem attack.

    That is a problem on Ricochet. I don’t know why but he is the hardest thing to agree on. 

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    • May 24, 2019, at 1:31 PM PDT
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  9. KentForrester Coolidge
    KentForrester Post author

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    KentForrester: Each time one of the Never Trumps posts an anti-Trump essay, the Ever Trumps leap into the thread like a Viking into battle. It gets testy. So testy at times that Code of Conduct people, or czarists as I like to call them, swoop down and delete a fiery remark or ad hominem attack.

    That is a problem on Ricochet. I don’t know why but he is the hardest thing to agree on.

    Henry, Trump is the most polarizing figure that I’ve known in my lifetime. My take on Trump seems to be the most popular one on Ricochet: He’s embarrassingly gauche at times, almost infantile, but I can’t think of another politician who could have done more to my liking. Besides, the guy has a pair.

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    • May 24, 2019, at 2:00 PM PDT
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  10. Mark Camp Member

    KentForrester (View Comment):

    Juliana (View Comment):

    I only read your posts for the picture of Bob at the end. ;)

    Ahem. Must have missed it this time.

     

    Juliana, here you are. The Warm Fuzzies aim to please.

    Wait. That’s not a picture of Bob at the back!

    That’s ok. Juliana only reads your posts for the picture of Bob at the back and I only read @misthiocracy‘s posts for the picture of the eighteenth century French aristocratic lady at the front.

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    • May 24, 2019, at 2:17 PM PDT
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  11. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member

    Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    Then there’s the most divisive issue of all. Those darned tattoos.

    Is that really divisive here? Nobody seems to like them, AFAICT. I just like to run into those posts and comment “Stop being so stereotyipical!”

    Here’s my August 2015 tattoo rant, which was promoted to the main feed and got 209 comments. It was blistering — though I think that almost all of the fireworks were in jest.

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    • May 24, 2019, at 2:27 PM PDT
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  12. KentForrester Coolidge
    KentForrester Post author

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    Then there’s the most divisive issue of all. Those darned tattoos.

    Is that really divisive here? Nobody seems to like them, AFAICT. I just like to run into those posts and comment “Stop being so stereotyipical!”

    Here’s my August 2015 tattoo rant, which was promoted to the main feed and got 209 comments. It was blistering — though I think that almost all of the fireworks were in jest.

    Jerry, I liked your rant. You and I think alike.

    My father’s generation, especially soldiers and sailors, often had a single tattoo, usually on their upper arm. My father had one, the image of a little boy boxing. He told me he got it when I was born. I liked that. By the time he was old, it had almost disappeared. 

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    • May 24, 2019, at 2:40 PM PDT
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  13. Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw Member

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    Then there’s the most divisive issue of all. Those darned tattoos.

    Is that really divisive here? Nobody seems to like them, AFAICT. I just like to run into those posts and comment “Stop being so stereotyipical!”

    Here’s my August 2015 tattoo rant, which was promoted to the main feed and got 209 comments. It was blistering — though I think that almost all of the fireworks were in jest.

    Doesn’t seem like much has changed since then.

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    • May 24, 2019, at 2:47 PM PDT
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  14. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member

    Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    Then there’s the most divisive issue of all. Those darned tattoos.

    Is that really divisive here? Nobody seems to like them, AFAICT. I just like to run into those posts and comment “Stop being so stereotyipical!”

    Here’s my August 2015 tattoo rant, which was promoted to the main feed and got 209 comments. It was blistering — though I think that almost all of the fireworks were in jest.

    Doesn’t seem like much has changed since then.

    If you mean that nothing much has changed since August 2015 with respect to Ricochetti attitudes toward tattoos, I think you’re right.

    If you mean that nothing much has changed since August 2015 with respect to tattooing, I think you’re wrong. The number of ugly tattoos (“NUTS”) appears to have increased substantially. I’ve suggested to Zillow and Realtor.com that they add NUTS to their neighborhood information. Something like: “This neighborhood is NUTS.”

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    • May 24, 2019, at 3:56 PM PDT
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  15. Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw Member

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    Then there’s the most divisive issue of all. Those darned tattoos.

    Is that really divisive here? Nobody seems to like them, AFAICT. I just like to run into those posts and comment “Stop being so stereotyipical!”

    Here’s my August 2015 tattoo rant, which was promoted to the main feed and got 209 comments. It was blistering — though I think that almost all of the fireworks were in jest.

    Doesn’t seem like much has changed since then.

    If you mean that nothing much has changed since August 2015 with respect to Ricochetti attitudes toward tattoos, I think you’re right.

    If you mean that nothing much has changed since August 2015 with respect to tattooing, I think you’re wrong. The number of ugly tattoos (“NUTS”) appears to have increased substantially. I’ve suggested to Zillow and Realtor.com that they add NUTS to their neighborhood information. Something like: “This neighborhood is NUTS.”

    No, I meant that Ricochet still seems to be substantially against them.

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    • May 24, 2019, at 3:57 PM PDT
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  16. She Thatcher
    She

    KentForrester: “She” the goat herder

    not only eschews makeup,

    True dat

    but rumor has it that she plays a didgeridoo.

    Hm. Not sure how you know that, but I did actually play one a few times in college.

    KentForrester: But they do know a lot about Alexander Pope’s poems . . .

    And that’s good. Because, as anyone who’s read any Pope to speak of is aware, knowing only a little about him is a dangerous thing . . .

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    • May 24, 2019, at 4:10 PM PDT
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  17. Stina Member

    KentForrester: STEM folk and Luddites

    And some of us are even both!

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    • May 24, 2019, at 4:39 PM PDT
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  18. KentForrester Coolidge
    KentForrester Post author

    She (View Comment):

    KentForrester: But they do know a lot about Alexander Pope’s poems . . .

    And that’s good. Because, as anyone who’s read any Pope to speak of is aware, knowing only a little about him is a dangerous thing . . .

    Only you and I would recognize that allusion to a Pope line. That’s because we’re Warm Fuzzies. 

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    • May 24, 2019, at 5:56 PM PDT
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  19. She Thatcher
    She

    KentForrester (View Comment):

    She (View Comment):

    KentForrester: But they do know a lot about Alexander Pope’s poems . . .

    And that’s good. Because, as anyone who’s read any Pope to speak of is aware, knowing only a little about him is a dangerous thing . . .

    Only you and I would recognize that allusion to a Pope line. That’s because we’re Warm Fuzzies.

    Not sure. I think you may be misunderestimating our fellow members . . . 

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    • May 24, 2019, at 8:26 PM PDT
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  20. Old Bathos Member

    The common bond of whatever it is we think “conservative” allows for a considerably wide range of thought. Our friends on the left are analogous to asylum inmates—a collection of people who regard themselves as unique, even godlike all brought together into a loss of freedom due to a shared rejection of sanity.

    Divisions based on differences in religious beliefs tend to dissipate in the face of a common enemy that seeks to exterminate such religions. A love of truth, an acceptance of the inherent flaws in ourselves and each other and a fundamental respect for live and liberty is the only true basis of “diversity” of human experience.

    As more refugees from the asylum join us in our foxholes, we will be far more diverse than those who presume to preach it.

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    • May 25, 2019, at 4:10 AM PDT
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  21. Mark Camp Member

    Stina (View Comment):

    KentForrester: STEM folk and Luddites

    And some of us are even both!

    Because I thought it was perfectly impossible to be both a STEM folk and a Luddite, I didn’t mention that I am one.

    But now that I know that it’s possible, I will say that there are two of us.

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    • May 25, 2019, at 5:54 AM PDT
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  22. Marjorie Reynolds Lincoln

    You could probably describe me as an Irish spiritual refugee. 

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    • May 25, 2019, at 8:19 AM PDT
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  23. KentForrester Coolidge
    KentForrester Post author

    Marjorie Reynolds (View Comment):

    You could probably describe me as an Irish spiritual refugee.

    Marjorie, do you have an opinion that arises out of your particular classification? 

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    • May 25, 2019, at 8:44 AM PDT
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  24. Full Size Tabby Member

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    KentForrester: STEM folk and Luddites

    And some of us are even both!

    Because I thought it was perfectly impossible to be both a STEM folk and a Luddite, I didn’t mention that I am one.

    But now that I know that it’s possible, I will say that there are two of us.

    STEM folk often best know how horrible technology can be for people, and thus are most adamant about staying away from its use. 

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    • May 25, 2019, at 10:34 AM PDT
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  25. Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw Member

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    KentForrester: STEM folk and Luddites

    And some of us are even both!

    Because I thought it was perfectly impossible to be both a STEM folk and a Luddite, I didn’t mention that I am one.

    But now that I know that it’s possible, I will say that there are two of us.

    STEM folk often best know how horrible technology can be for people, and thus are most adamant about staying away from its use.

    Although it could be argued that informed refusal of technology does not qualify as Luddism.

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    • May 25, 2019, at 10:36 AM PDT
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  26. The Reticulator Member

    Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw (View Comment):
    Although it could be argued that informed refusal of technology does not qualify as Luddism.

    It could. But such behavior tends to get labelled as Luddism by those who mock it, so it might be simpler to just go with it. 

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    • May 25, 2019, at 12:09 PM PDT
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  27. Joseph Eagar Member

    “He’s an Idiot But He’s Our Idiot”

    I love this, especially the implication that NeverTrumpers do not represent the interests of Republican voters. People like Bret Stephens shouldn’t be surprised that Republican voters don’t like them when they trash said voters and go on to very publicly fantasize using the power of the state to punish and exclude them.

     

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    • May 26, 2019, at 6:16 PM PDT
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  28. Marjorie Reynolds Lincoln

    KentForrester (View Comment):

    Marjorie Reynolds (View Comment):

    You could probably describe me as an Irish spiritual refugee.

    Marjorie, do you have an opinion that arises out of your particular classification?

    Sorry Kent, although I read Ricochet on my phone everyday, I only log in when I have my laptop out. 

    My opinions have been forming since the abortion referendum last year. I was always pro life, but I didn’t pay much attention to politics and although a Catholic, it wasn’t a strong influence in my life. Apart from my opinion on abortion I might have passed for a what you’d call a liberal although I’ve never thought of myself as either liberal or conservative. I never understood why people on this side of the world were so invested in US politics. Deep down I was disappointed that so many of my friends were pro choice but it wasn’t an issue, it didn’t need to be discussed.

    That all changed last year. I’ve mentioned here before about the ugliness of the discourse online and from our media and politicians, the outright lies told by our own leaders. I’ve lost several friends as a result of it, and in general I look at people differently now. I also realised I had been asleep, that I had seen the signs coming but had dismissed the danger. The values of this new place called Ireland aren’t my values, the opinions from our newspapers and national media do not represent me. Suddenly I felt like a stranger. I had to start searching outside of Ireland to make sense of what had happened to my country. 

    It’s been educational. I became a Trump supporter, I didn’t see that one coming I can tell you. I now believe your gun laws are your own business and your pro life activists will inspire the world. As none of these views are welcomed by the Irish establishment I’m claiming refugee status :-)

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    • June 12, 2019, at 3:24 PM PDT
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