Moving Parts in the Shutdown Fight

 

Earlier today, the Senate, as expected, voted down the House proposal that would have included a one-year delay of Obamacare and repeal of the medical device tax as part of the continuing resolution to keep the government open. There’s now another gambit in the works, per Politico:

House Republicans are moving toward putting a bill on the floor that would delay the individual mandate and cancel health-insurance subsidies for members of Congress, the president and administration appointees, according to multiple sources. That bill would be part of a government funding measure to which the Senate would have to agree. The Senate just rejected the House’s last move this weekend to delay Obamacare and repeal the medical device tax as part of a government funding bill.

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    @FrankSoto

    Those terms are so mild that it is a move of pure spite from Reid if he rejects them.

    He probably will though.

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    @TheKingPrawn
    Frank Soto: He probably will though. · 2 minutes ago

    I’m starting to think he gets some sort of high from the experience.

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    @BillThom

    I think fighting for these reforms has merit. These two issues shine a bright light on the hypocrisy of how this bill is being implemented and the corrupt nature of the whole thing. By making Obama dig in his heels on these very reasonable and easy to champion goals, Obama seems like the petulant, unreasonable one. Even if the GOP ultimately has to cave, I think they will have scored some points.

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    PsychLynne

    Spin: In the end, the Democrats don’t really care if the government shuts down, precisely because they believe (accurately I am sure) that they won’t be blamed for the shutdown.  So they have no real incentive to go along with anything that isn’t 100% what they want.  And even if it’s 99.9% what they want, they’ll reject it just to make political hay.  · 1 minute ago

    I live in the DC are and work for the government.  Based on what I hear (since I know no conservatives at my work place), this is exactly what the other side is thinking.  All Republican’s fault, all the time.  They aren’t even aware that multiple bills have been sent. · 

    At this point I am beginning to believe that if the conservative House Republican caucus, Ted Cruz, and Mike Lee set themselves on fire on the capital steps to form the word REPEAL with their flaming bodies, the media would try to pass it off as just a political ploy to make Ted Cruz the Republican primary front runner for 2016.

    (Yes, I know that a burnt corpse can’t become president, but_I_am_not_sure_the_media_do.)

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    @WICon

    Well,  there seems to be a glimmer of consensus among those of us here on those points, mild as they are.

    If (when) they are rejected, is there consensus to go to the mat and shut it down? The GOP will still get the blame. The MSM still won’t report events & positions fairly. We still don’t have the Senate or White House. Shouldn’t we just cave and not make a scene?

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    @TheKingPrawn

    HR 3210 passed in the senate, so at least military pay can’t be used against republicans. That buys my all clear to turn the rest of it off for a bit.

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    @FrankSoto
    WI Con: Well,  there seems to be a glimmer of consensus among those of us here on those points, mild as they are.

    If (when) they are rejected, is there consensus to go to the mat and shut it down? The GOP will still get the blame. The MSM still won’t report events & positions fairly. We still don’t have the Senate or White House. Shouldn’t we just cave and not make a scene? 

    On this new bill that the house will formulate, I’m tempted to roll with it for a few days.  It’s a tough argument to make: “We can’t vote for this bill because it removes subsidies for me and my staff.”  Even David Gregory can only spin so much.

    Ultimately I think you can get a few democrats in the senate to vote for that bill.  Might take a few days though.

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    @BlueStateBlues

    I think the House should pass a clean CR except for the Vitter amendment.  Let the Democrats go on record that Obamacare isn’t good enough for themselves.

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    @Muleskinner

    The one thing you can always count on from Democrats is that sooner or later they overplay their hand.

    You can’t say that you won’t negotiate with terrorists, have talks with Iran, but not the House majority. You can’t turn down a deal to fund the government because an amendment requires you to have to live with the law the same as everyone else. Eventually they go so far that people catch on, you just have to make sure that they keep talking.

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    “Those terms are so mild that it is a move of pure spite from Reid if he rejects them.”

    No one does “pure spite” quite like Harry Reid. What this is really about is reserving for the President the sole discretion to unconstitutionally amend the ACA through waivers, selective delays, etc. But, I guess if you point this out, you’re a crazy wacko-bird “anarchist.”

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    @Spin

    In the end, the Democrats don’t really care if the government shuts down, precisely because they believe (accurately I am sure) that they won’t be blamed for the shutdown.  So they have no real incentive to go along with anything that isn’t 100% what they want.  And even if it’s 99.9% what they want, they’ll reject it just to make political hay. 

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    @PsychLynne
    Spin: In the end, the Democrats don’t really care if the government shuts down, precisely because they believe (accurately I am sure) that they won’t be blamed for the shutdown.  So they have no real incentive to go along with anything that isn’t 100% what they want.  And even if it’s 99.9% what they want, they’ll reject it just to make political hay.  · 1 minute ago

    I live in the DC are and work for the government.  Based on what I hear (since I know no conservatives at my work place), this is exactly what the other side is thinking.  All Republican’s fault, all the time.  They aren’t even aware that multiple bills have been sent.

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