Quote of the Day: Nothing Lasts

 

“We are like children building a sand castle. We embellish it with beautiful shells, bits of driftwood, and pieces of colored glass. The castle is ours, off-limits to others. We’re willing to attack if others threaten to hurt it. Yet despite all our attachment, we know that the tide will inevitably come in and sweep the sand castle away. The trick is to enjoy it fully but without clinging, and when the time comes, let it dissolve back into the sea.” — Pema Chodron, When Things Fall Apart

 At a rational level, we all know that we will eventually die. But it seems like a far off ending to our lives. The fact is, though, that everything dies. We can’t hold on to anything forever: relationships end, flowers die, cars end up in junkyards, no matter how often we try to save them.

Yet we continue to cling to those things we want to keep: stability in our culture, appreciation of moral values, an intact family—the list is endless. There is nothing wrong with trying to hold on to those things. But suffering comes at some point, not because we lose the people and things in our lives, but because we refuse to let them go, physically and emotionally. As human beings, at some level, we want to keep our friends, families, even our things, and feel betrayed when they disappear into an unknown future.

One of the things we can all do is learn to recognize the paradox of the mysteries of life, the impermanence and the losses, and know that we will suffer through them. But when we also recognize that our unwillingness to let them go—let all of them go—is the actual source of our unhappiness, we move through life with less pain and more joy.

When we learn to accept the pain of loss and also recognize that loss is the natural outcome of life, we suffer much less.

And we are free.

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  1. Skyler Coolidge
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

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    And attend to the eternality of the soul.

    And seek to know and enjoy the eternal things.

    Nah. There is nothing eternal, and there is no such thing as a soul. It is immoral to pretend otherwise.

    So it is eternally true that nothing is eternal?

    No. Maybe someday we or some other species after we are long gone might find a way to counter entropy. But for now, we know of nothing that can and it is hubris to claim otherwise.

    So it’s not a certain claim that “There is nothing eternal.” Just a likely conclusion of materialism?

    I agree with that.

    But then why should we think materialism is true? I have several reasons we shouldn’t. Thomas Nagel’s argument is an interesting place to start.

    Who said “materialism” is true? Whatever that is. . . .

    Well, you said it. Or you meant it. Or you should have. Otherwise your argument is useless.

    Materialism is the claim that everything is matter–the theory that every thing is a physical thing.

    Entropy can be evidence that nothing lasts only if everything is affected by entropy. But entropy affects only physical things (not the immaterial soul, G-d, or whatever other non-physical thing there may be). So your argument only works if materialism is true.

    (However, as far as I can tell, it isn’t.)

    I hesitate to ascribe to such a facile term bandied only by religious people.  If you mean that materialism is the belief that everything must be real, then to be any other belief is psychotic or delusional.  Most such are probably just delusional.  The question is why are so many people so?  I’m thinking it is hubris combined with fear of the unknown.  It feels good to think you know the answer to things not yet known, and some and many people are afraid that after they die they simply cease to exist.  That doesn’t “feel” right.  We have minds, we think and dream and imagine the future and the past.  But wanting to have some sort of eternal existence does not make some sort of eternal existence real.  

    So, in your parlance I might be considered a “materialist,” but I won’t claim the term because it pigeonholes me in some way that is convenient for those who cling to delusions.

     

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  2. Skyler Coolidge
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):
    Who said “materialism” is true? Whatever that is. Why do people feel that they are required to know all things? Sometimes we don’t. Yet.

    Kurt Gödel proved that there are things which are true, but are not proved because they cannot be.

    That sort of puts a hard ceiling on what we can know.

    No he didn’t.  And philosophy is far too important to leave in the hands of people who call themselves “philosophers.”  Philosophers are the most hubristic and irrational people in our society.  Your example is classic.  Kurt Gödel proved no such thing because it is stupidly circular.  But I’m sure if you gaze at your navel long enough and do enough drugs it might make sense.

    It’s just like Descartes who presented “proofs” of gods’ existence.  From a pure logical perspective his “proofs” were flawed and laughably so.  This did not stop him from publishing them.  Descartes should have stuck to math, which he was good at.  His philosophy was sophomoric, but that seems to be what keeps philosophers in the pay of the Tsar and other benefactors.  Gotta publish something or the Tsar will toss him out.

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  3. OkieSailor Member
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    Skyler (View Comment):

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    I think I’m depressed now. :)

    Silly guy! Just glory in the life you’re living and let the rest go. And take two aspirin.

    And attend to the eternality of the soul.

    And seek to know and enjoy the eternal things.

    Nah. There is nothing eternal, and there is no such thing as a soul. It is i mmoral dto pretend otherwise.

    You may be correct, or you may not be. But it is neither moral  nor immoral for you to believe or disbelieve. It is your choice, preferably based on what evidence you can discover, to make, just as it is so for others. To frame the choice made by others as immoral is insufferably conceited since no one can prove the question either way.
    For myself, I choose to believe because I want it to be so but I both understand and can see the possibilty that the Athiest will be proven correct, too late for me to know for sure though.

    (spell check has stopped working, bummer!)

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  4. Saint Augustine Member
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    And attend to the eternality of the soul.

    And seek to know and enjoy the eternal things.

    Nah. There is nothing eternal, and there is no such thing as a soul. It is immoral to pretend otherwise.

    So it is eternally true that nothing is eternal?

    No. Maybe someday we or some other species after we are long gone might find a way to counter entropy. But for now, we know of nothing that can and it is hubris to claim otherwise.

    So it’s not a certain claim that “There is nothing eternal.” Just a likely conclusion of materialism?

    I agree with that.

    But then why should we think materialism is true? I have several reasons we shouldn’t. Thomas Nagel’s argument is an interesting place to start.

    Who said “materialism” is true? Whatever that is. . . .

    Well, you said it. Or you meant it. Or you should have. Otherwise your argument is useless.

    Materialism is the claim that everything is matter–the theory that every thing is a physical thing.

    Entropy can be evidence that nothing lasts only if everything is affected by entropy. But entropy affects only physical things (not the immaterial soul, G-d, or whatever other non-physical thing there may be). So your argument only works if materialism is true.

    (However, as far as I can tell, it isn’t.)

    I hesitate to ascribe to such a facile term bandied only by religious people.

    That is entirely false. The thesis I presented as “materialism” is that of virtually all atheists. The term and its synonyms, physcalism and naturalism, are commonplace among atheist scholars.

    If you mean that materialism is the belief that everything must be real, then to be any other belief is psychotic or delusional.

    No. I plainly said it is something else.

    Most such are probably just delusional. The question is why are so many people so? . . .

    I myself reject materialism because that is required by the facts and the logic–as well as I can understand them.

    Speaking of logic, why not engage mine instead of speculating about the hidden motives of religious folk?

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  5. Percival Thatcher
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    Skyler (View Comment):

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    Who said “materialism” is true? Whatever that is. Why do people feel that they are required to know all things? Sometimes we don’t. Yet.

    Kurt Gödel proved that there are things which are true, but are not proved because they cannot be.

    That sort of puts a hard ceiling on what we can know.

    No he didn’t. And philosophy is far too important to leave in the hands of people who call themselves “philosophers.” Philosophers are the most hubristic and irrational people in our society. Your example is classic. Kurt Gödel proved no such thing because it is stupidly circular. But I’m sure if you gaze at your navel long enough and do enough drugs it might make sense.

    It’s just like Descartes who presented “proofs” of gods’ existence. From a pure logical perspective his “proofs” were flawed and laughably so. This did not stop him from publishing them. Descartes should have stuck to math, which he was good at. His philosophy was sophomoric, but that seems to be what keeps philosophers in the pay of the Tsar and other benefactors. Gotta publish something or the Tsar will toss him out.

    You disprove Gödel by citing another person’s unrelated proof? Can anyone do that, or is it a materialist-only superpower?

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  6. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    James Lileks (View Comment):
    When I was a kid sitting in church I found the idea of Eternal Life to be unnerving, like you have to hang around forever with your folks and aunts and uncles and there’s no way out and nothing to do.

    Thank you for such a thoughtful comment, @jameslileks, and for the moment of levity.

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  7. Percival Thatcher
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):
    When I was a kid sitting in church I found the idea of Eternal Life to be unnerving, like you have to hang around forever with your folks and aunts and uncles and there’s no way out and nothing to do.

    Thank you for such a thoughtful comment, @jameslileks, and for the moment of levity.

    When I was little, my favorite part of any family gathering was playing with my cousins, but my second favorite part was listening to the older folks talk. You’d hear the funniest stories: some of them were even true.

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  8. iWe Coolidge
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    James Lileks (View Comment):
    I will tell you that I don’t believe in the supernatural, or anything that can’t be observed, quantified, replicated, and empirically substantiated,

    Do you believe in ideas?

    Do you believe in Love?

    Do you believe in liberty, or freedom, or evil?

     

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  9. Saint Augustine Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Now? I will tell you that I don’t believe in the supernatural, or anything that can’t be observed, quantified, replicated, and empirically substantiated, and also that I believe I was visited by my mother’s spirt after she died. 

    iWe (View Comment):

    Do you believe in ideas?

    Do you believe in Love?

    Do you believe in liberty, or freedom, or evil?

    Perhaps he takes a non-materialist view of what can be empirically confirmed.

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