NYT Confirms: Obama Spied on Trump

 

Yesterday the New York Times confirmed what many of us who don’t rely on the New York Times for news have known for a long time: The Obama Administration spied on the Trump presidential campaign.

WASHINGTON — The conversation at a London bar in September 2016 took a strange turn when the woman sitting across from George Papadopoulos, a Trump campaign adviser, asked a direct question: Was the Trump campaign working with Russia?
The woman had set up the meeting to discuss foreign policy issues. But she was actually a government investigator posing as a research assistant, according to people familiar with the operation. The F.B.I. sent her to London as part of the counterintelligence inquiry opened that summer to better understand the Trump campaign’s links to Russia.

Some will still insist pathetically that “a government investigator posing as [someone she is not]” is not a spy. Those people are partisan hacks and should not be taken seriously. As Attorney General Bill Barr stated in testimony before the senate this week, “spy” is a perfectly good English word that means exactly what it means and there’s no reason to use any other word. Senator Sheldon Boofhouse (D-RI), just a day before the New York Times revealed to its uninformed readers that Obama spied on Trump, attempted to pretend that “authorized surveillance” is somehow different than “spying.” It’s not. The Obama administration spied on Trump’s presidential campaign.

The New York Times could have published its article, titled “F.B.I. Sent Investigator Posing as Assistant to Meet With Trump Aide in 2016,” at any point in the last few years, but its editors chose to wait until all hope of salvation from Robert Mueller had been dashed before revealing the truth.

In fact, the point of the article is not to reveal truth but to launder information, to soften the blow, ahead of what the New York Times and others believe is coming: a reckoning. The Department of Justice’s Inspector General, Michael E. Horowitz, is widely expected to be near releasing a report on how the FBI defrauded the FISA court in 2016 in order to get the warrant to conduct its spying on the Trump campaign. “Authorized surveillance” (spying) isn’t so “authorized” if the court that authorized it was lied to in the process. In additional, Attorney General Barr has stated his intention to investigate whether the spying of the Trump campaign by the Obama Administration was “adequately predicated.”

Adam Goldman, Michael S. Schmidt, and Mark Mazzetti are the three named writers on the New York Times article, but the real author is the deep state, which is attempting to shape the narrative ahead of Horowitz’s report and Barr’s investigation.

The decision to use Ms. Turk in the operation aimed at a presidential campaign official shows the level of alarm inside the F.B.I. during a frantic period when the bureau was trying to determine the scope of Russia’s attempts to disrupt the 2016 election, but could also give ammunition to Mr. Trump and his allies for their spying claims.

You see, the FBI was so alarmed that they just had to lie to the FISA court and throw George Popadopoulos’s Rights out the window. Picayune things like the Constitution and the laws of the United States don’t matter when unelected deep state apparatchiks are alarmed that someone they don’t like might become president. It’s too bad that this proof that Obama spied on Trump will give Trump ammunition to say that Obama spied on him.

What we are going to find out, I predict, is that the spying started much sooner than the “official” date of July 31 (2016), that Trump’s was not the only presidential campaign spied on, that Obama was fully aware of it, and that several foreign nations were involved in the effort (colluded, you might say).

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  1. Richard Easton Member

    It appears that there was spying on groups opposed to the Iran Deal. I can’t remember the name, but one participant on the John Batchelor Show said that the Obama Administration’s responses to their articles was too rapid and specific to be a coincidence. We know that James Rosen was spied on and suspect that Sharyl Attkisson was too. In 2008, the Obama campaign used extreme measures to twice try to shut down Chicago radio legend Milt Rosenberg’s show. These people are Crook County politicians. When you’re fundamentally transforming America, you don’t let pesky laws or traditions get in your way.

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    • May 3, 2019, at 2:47 PM PDT
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  2. Jager Member

    Max Ledoux: You see, the FBI was so alarmed that they just had to lie to the FISA court and throw George Popadopoulos’s Rights out the window. Picayune things like the Constitution and the laws of the United States don’t matter when unelected deep state apparatchiks are alarmed that someone they don’t like might become president. It’s too bad that this proof that Obama spied on Trump will give Trump ammunition to say that Obama spied on him.

    Mr. Popadopoulo’s has stated that this lady is a government agent. He however is not sure she was FBI. He thinks she was CIA, with links to Turkish Intelligence as she did not speak English well. IF this lady was from an intelligence agency rather than the a law enforcement agency then there is just no argument that this wasn’t spying.

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    • May 3, 2019, at 2:53 PM PDT
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  3. Basil Fawlty Member

    Who leaked the IG findings?

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    • May 3, 2019, at 3:04 PM PDT
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  4. Valiuth Member

    Oh no SPYING!!!

    So what did this spying accomplish? What is the underlying crime here? The government investigating people and doing it clandestinely? What a horror! This has never been done before. Never has the FBI sent people undercover to investigate a suspect. We never sent people undercover to investigate the Klan or Martin Luther King Jr. Oh how can this be, that in our long standing history of counter inteligence we would stoop so low as to not have FBI agents formally announce themselves to the target of their investigation.

    I just hope we next don’t find out that we have FBI agents undercover talking to various Muslim groups in America. Because that would be SpYing!!!!

    Tell me how any of this spying, stopped Trump from accomplishing anything? Did they steal money from him? Campaign documents, did they discover campaign critical information that they then passed on to Hillary or Obama? And next explain to me how you would investigate someone or organization you suspect of ties to foreign adversaries? How is going undercover an illegitimate tactic?

    This is the biggest none story ever.

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    • May 3, 2019, at 3:08 PM PDT
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  5. RufusRJones Member

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    This is the biggest none story ever.

    Why didn’t Comey brief The Gang Of Eight? Because it was a political operation.

    • #5
    • May 3, 2019, at 3:10 PM PDT
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  6. Basil Fawlty Member

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    Oh no SPYING!!!

    So what did this spying accomplish? What is the underlying crime here? The government investigating people and doing it clandestinely? What a horror! This has never been done before. Never has the FBI sent people undercover to investigate a suspect. We never sent people undercover to investigate the Klan or Martin Luther King Jr. Oh how can this be, that in our long standing history of counter inteligence we would stoop so low as to not have FBI agents formally announce themselves to the target of their investigation.

    I just hope we next don’t find out that we have FBI agents undercover talking to various Muslim groups in America. Because that would be SpYing!!!!

    Tell me how any of this spying, stopped Trump from accomplishing anything? Did they steal money from him? Campaign documents, did they discover campaign critical information that they then passed on to Hillary or Obama? And next explain to me how you would investigate someone or organization you suspect of ties to foreign adversaries? How is going undercover an illegitimate tactic?

    This is the biggest none story ever.

    The stupidity. It burns.

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    • May 3, 2019, at 3:15 PM PDT
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  7. DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader Member

    New York Times: F.B.I. Sent Investigator Posing as Assistant Spy to Meet With Trump Aide in 2016,

    Hey NYTimes: FTFY.

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    • May 3, 2019, at 3:21 PM PDT
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  8. Jager Member

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    Oh no SPYING!!!

    So what did this spying accomplish? What is the underlying crime here? The government investigating people and doing it clandestinely? What a horror! This has never been done before. Never has the FBI sent people undercover to investigate a suspect. We never sent people undercover to investigate the Klan or Martin Luther King Jr. Oh how can this be, that in our long standing history of counter inteligence we would stoop so low as to not have FBI agents formally announce themselves to the target of their investigation.

    I just hope we next don’t find out that we have FBI agents undercover talking to various Muslim groups in America. Because that would be SpYing!!!!

    Tell me how any of this spying, stopped Trump from accomplishing anything? Did they steal money from him? Campaign documents, did they discover campaign critical information that they then passed on to Hillary or Obama? And next explain to me how you would investigate someone or organization you suspect of ties to foreign adversaries? How is going undercover an illegitimate tactic?

    This is the biggest none story ever.

    The biggest issue to this is the attacks that have been made by Democrats and the media against both Trump and Barr for saying that there was spying. Barr said their was spying but there may have been good cause for it. The media went crazy with their “you cannot say that” that is incendiary speech or you are just shilling for Trump takes. Now we see that it was factually accurate

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    • May 3, 2019, at 3:36 PM PDT
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  9. EtCarter Listener

    Jager (View Comment):

    Max Ledoux: You see, the FBI was so alarmed that they just had to lie to the FISA court and throw George Popadopoulos’s Rights out the window. Picayune things like the Constitution and the laws of the United States don’t matter when unelected deep state apparatchiks are alarmed that someone they don’t like might become president. It’s too bad that this proof that Obama spied on Trump will give Trump ammunition to say that Obama spied on him.

    Mr. Popadopoulo’s has stated that this lady is a government agent. He however is not sure she was FBI. He thinks she was CIA, with links to Turkish Intelligence as she did not speak English well. IF this lady was from an intelligence agency rather than the a law enforcement agency then there is just no argument that this wasn’t spying

    .

    https://twitter.com/GeorgePapa19/status/1124006816189489152

    Now, if “Ms. Turk” looked and sounded like Jessica Rabbit, and/or Pussy Galore, then the “foreign” agent angle isn’t as strong.

    However, if she looks and sounds like the female “Dr.” in The Last Crusade who show Dr. Jones how “we say good-bye in Austria”… Then, I would suspect foul play, and tweet a message that Austria, the EU, the UK, Russia, or somebody is about to experience a severe reduction in choices at the grocery-store until someone spills the beans on Obama, y’hear?

    (Sorry, I watched Who killed Roger Rabbit approx 4 billion times with my first daughter)

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    • May 3, 2019, at 3:40 PM PDT
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  10. RufusRJones Member

    The Washington Post says that Trump is going to weaponize Barr to go after his political enemies. All of the leftist outlets are picking it up. They are discussing it on Martha McCallum’s show.

    This is so exciting! It will be like The Death Of Stalin! LOL

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    • May 3, 2019, at 4:05 PM PDT
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  11. RufusRJones Member

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    • May 3, 2019, at 4:14 PM PDT
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  12. Jason Obermeyer Member

    Jager (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    Oh no SPYING!!!

    So what did this spying accomplish? What is the underlying crime here? The government investigating people and doing it clandestinely? What a horror! This has never been done before. Never has the FBI sent people undercover to investigate a suspect. We never sent people undercover to investigate the Klan or Martin Luther King Jr. Oh how can this be, that in our long standing history of counter inteligence we would stoop so low as to not have FBI agents formally announce themselves to the target of their investigation.

    I just hope we next don’t find out that we have FBI agents undercover talking to various Muslim groups in America. Because that would be SpYing!!!!

    Tell me how any of this spying, stopped Trump from accomplishing anything? Did they steal money from him? Campaign documents, did they discover campaign critical information that they then passed on to Hillary or Obama? And next explain to me how you would investigate someone or organization you suspect of ties to foreign adversaries? How is going undercover an illegitimate tactic?

    This is the biggest none story ever.

    The biggest issue to this is the attacks that have been made by Democrats and the media against both Trump and Barr for saying that there was spying. Barr said their was spying but there may have been good cause for it. The media went crazy with their “you cannot say that” that is incendiary speech or you are just shilling for Trump takes. Now we see that it was factually accurate

    I suspect he already knew that but decided to be himself anyway.

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    • May 3, 2019, at 4:37 PM PDT
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  13. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… Thatcher

    You have to ask yourself why this story broke in the NY Times and who was the source? My best guess is the source knows bad news is coming with the Inspector General report and they are doing a “limited modified hangout”, dangling a minor character, “the girl”, while trying desperately to obscure the role of her handler Stefan Halper, so they went to the friendliest media outlet they could find. The key thing about Halper is not his actions in September 2016. If he was acting on behalf of a US or friendly intelligence service and if, as Carter Page claims, he first approached Page in May or June of 2016, it means the Mueller report is deliberately misleading with its definitive statement that the investigation started on July 31, 2016. If so, you then need to ask, why did they decide to mislead?

    I should note as someone who has frequently denounced the Mueller investigation and the duplicity of the FBI and DOJ on this matter, it still bothers me when Trump acts like a jerk as he did with these tweets (here ) about today’s call with Putin.

    When Trump is around Putin he continues to act like a star struck teenage girl. Fortunately, his actions have not matched his juvenile behavior.

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    • May 3, 2019, at 5:17 PM PDT
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  14. Front Seat Cat Member

    In the meantime, the Democrats have nothing to run on – it keeps getting worse for them the longer they keep flame throwing – let’s move on to prosecuting the real law breakers….too many to mention….

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    • May 3, 2019, at 5:27 PM PDT
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  15. OccupantCDN Coolidge

    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    It appears that there was spying on groups opposed to the Iran Deal. I can’t remember the name, but one participant on the John Batchelor Show said that the Obama Administration’s responses to their articles was too rapid and specific to be a coincidence. We know that James Rosen was spied on and suspect that Sharyl Attkisson was too. In 2008, the Obama campaign used extreme measures to twice try to shut down Chicago radio legend Milt Rosenberg’s show. These people are Crook County politicians. When you’re fundamentally transforming America, you don’t let pesky laws or traditions get in your way.

    I dont know if its the same group but J Street, had accused the Obama of spying over the Iran Ideal.

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    • May 3, 2019, at 6:23 PM PDT
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  16. Hoyacon Member

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    Oh no SPYING!!!

    So what did this spying accomplish? What is the underlying crime here? The government investigating people and doing it clandestinely? What a horror! This has never been done before. Never has the FBI sent people undercover to investigate a suspect. We never sent people undercover to investigate the Klan or Martin Luther King Jr. Oh how can this be, that in our long standing history of counter inteligence we would stoop so low as to not have FBI agents formally announce themselves to the target of their investigation.

    I just hope we next don’t find out that we have FBI agents undercover talking to various Muslim groups in America. Because that would be SpYing!!!!

    Tell me how any of this spying, stopped Trump from accomplishing anything? Did they steal money from him? Campaign documents, did they discover campaign critical information that they then passed on to Hillary or Obama? And next explain to me how you would investigate someone or organization you suspect of ties to foreign adversaries? How is going undercover an illegitimate tactic?

    This is the biggest none story ever.

    As a parody, this is impressive.

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    • May 3, 2019, at 7:52 PM PDT
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  17. Max Ledoux Admin
    Max Ledoux Post author

    Shorter Valiuth: spying on Trump for political reasons is ok because I don’t like Trump.

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    • May 3, 2019, at 8:25 PM PDT
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  18. Hoyacon Member

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):
    Shorter Valiuth: spying on Trump for political reasons is ok because I don’t like Trump.

    That’s curable. Substitute “presidential campaign” for Trump, and one would think a sensible person–even one not enamored of Trump–would be appalled on principle. This may be yet another fine litmus test for how principled the anti-Trump crowd is, especially since they’ve been dining out on ethics in government for two years. So far the results don’t look good.

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    • May 3, 2019, at 8:32 PM PDT
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  19. Brian Clendinen Member

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    Oh no SPYING!!!

    So what did this spying accomplish? What is the underlying crime here? The government investigating people and doing it clandestinely? What a horror! This has never been done before. Never has the FBI sent people undercover to investigate a suspect. We never sent people undercover to investigate the Klan or Martin Luther King Jr. Oh how can this be, that in our long standing history of counter inteligence we would stoop so low as to not have FBI agents formally announce themselves to the target of their investigation.

    I just hope we next don’t find out that we have FBI agents undercover talking to various Muslim groups in America. Because that would be SpYing!!!!

    Tell me how any of this spying, stopped Trump from accomplishing anything? Did they steal money from him? Campaign documents, did they discover campaign critical information that they then passed on to Hillary or Obama? And next explain to me how you would investigate someone or organization you suspect of ties to foreign adversaries? How is going undercover an illegitimate tactic?

    This is the biggest none story ever.

    You are not someone to be taken seriously.

    I agree its a big deal. However Trump amd the Republicans sort of are acting in principle to valiuth statement. Their huffing and puffing is almost all purely theater.

    They can make laws. They can make laws to curb the FISA Courts Authority. The elephant in the room is the FISA court along with a corrupted FBI (which is nothing new if you know history) the problem that it can be easily abused by government employees that we somehow Trust? Yay right Repbilicans gave the deep state more power because they some how trusted goverment employees not to abuse a secert court who judges are not elected and serve for life, that was able to spy on Americans? If they were serious they be getting rid of FISA and doing serious Criminal laws for government officials abusing the court.

    Its congress job to write criminal laws to punish government officals who break constution laws against individual citizens. That seems a complete non-starter for Republicans. Actually putting in some checks and balances against bureaucratic power in the criminal law. Insted they just use it to get political bronwy points. Yep what due you expect from a due nothing congress. There is a power vacume so goverment officials are nore than willing to take that power over.

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  20. Stina Member

    I think I read this in the conservative treehouse nearly a year ago. As well as Carter Page being an FBI informant on Russia prior to Trump campaign.

    Wake me up when that one makes it into mainstream news.

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    • May 3, 2019, at 9:58 PM PDT
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  21. Max Ledoux Admin
    Max Ledoux Post author

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    Tell me how any of this spying, stopped Trump from accomplishing anything? Did they steal money from him? Campaign documents, did they discover campaign critical information that they then passed on to Hillary or Obama?

    Lying to the FISA court is OK as long as you don’t find anything?

    And next explain to me how you would investigate someone or organization you suspect of ties to foreign adversaries? How is going undercover an illegitimate tactic?

    The Obama Administration invented the “ties” (weasel words) to foreign adversaries, Valiuth.

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    • May 4, 2019, at 6:59 AM PDT
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  22. Franco Member

    Stina (View Comment):
    I think I read this in the conservative treehouse nearly a year ago. As well as Carter Page being an FBI informant on Russia prior to Trump campaign.

    Wake me up when that one makes it into mainstream news.

    Yeah, it’s interesting that this information has been out there for a while, the puzzle pieces at a kindergarten level were lying on the floor…

    Now that the NYTimes says it, it’s true? That bothers me about our side.

    Do we wait for WaPo to confirm? I can only suspect spin or some kind of disinformation.

    Smart people who were ahead on this think more CIA than FBI….

    Incidentally I have a new name for the FBI

    Federal Bureau of Innuendo

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  23. Hoyacon Member

    Time again to ask this. Have any of those who are trying to rationalize this “surveillance” come forward with an answer as to why the campaign was not informed? Conway–now a fixture in the White House–was established as campaign manager at the time of the September meeting and has not been involved in any questionable activity. Why not bring her into the loop as well as the candidate? Would that have spoiled things and devalued the “insurance” that Strzok and Page valued?

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    • May 4, 2019, at 11:17 AM PDT
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  24. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… Thatcher

    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    Time again to ask this. Have any of those who are trying to rationalize this “surveillance” come forward with an answer as to why the campaign was not informed? Conway–now a fixture in the White House–was established as campaign manager at the time of the September meeting and has not been involved in any questionable activity. Why not bring her into the loop as well as the candidate? Would that have spoiled things and devalued the “insurance” that Strzok and Page valued?

    My prediction if we ever get an answer is they will claim it not was appropriate because they also suspected Trump was directly involved with the Kremlin and informing him of possible Russian infiltration into his campaign would require disclosing the investigation and might be transmitted directly to the Kremlin. In other words, Trump himself was a potential security risk. In effect, their view was the entire campaign might have been a Trojan Horse for the Russians.

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    • May 4, 2019, at 11:29 AM PDT
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  25. Franco Member

    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    Time again to ask this. Have any of those who are trying to rationalize this “surveillance” come forward with an answer as to why the campaign was not informed? Conway–now a fixture in the White House–was established as campaign manager at the time of the September meeting and has not been involved in any questionable activity. Why not bring her into the loop as well as the candidate? Would that have spoiled things and devalued the “insurance” that Strzok and Page valued?

    My prediction if we ever get an answer is they will claim it not was appropriate because they also suspected Trump was directly involved with the Kremlin and informing him of possible Russian infiltration into his campaign would require disclosing the investigation and might be transmitted directly to the Kremlin. In other words, Trump himself was a potential security risk. In effect, their view was the entire campaign might have been a Trojan Horse for the Russians.

    Based on what evidence?

    I suspect they are a bunch of traitors in the pocket of Romulans.

    Isn’t my idea of a great country with totalitarian paranoiacs running our intelligence services. But that’s just me…

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  26. RufusRJones Member

    Franco (View Comment):
    Based on what evidence?

    This is exactly my thought. My god there are so many smart Republicans it can’t think this through. I don’t get it.

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  27. Hoyacon Member

    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    Time again to ask this. Have any of those who are trying to rationalize this “surveillance” come forward with an answer as to why the campaign was not informed? Conway–now a fixture in the White House–was established as campaign manager at the time of the September meeting and has not been involved in any questionable activity. Why not bring her into the loop as well as the candidate? Would that have spoiled things and devalued the “insurance” that Strzok and Page valued?

    My prediction if we ever get an answer is they will claim it not was appropriate because they also suspected Trump was directly involved with the Kremlin and informing him of possible Russian infiltration into his campaign would require disclosing the investigation and might be transmitted directly to the Kremlin. In other words, Trump himself was a potential security risk. In effect, their view was the entire campaign might have been a Trojan Horse for the Russians.

    I don’t disagree given the lack of options for an explanation, but this amounts to one gigantic (and insupportable) conspiracy theory in which the assumption drives the investigation, as opposed to allowing the investigation to formulate assumptions (how it’s supposed to work).

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  28. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… Thatcher

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    Time again to ask this. Have any of those who are trying to rationalize this “surveillance” come forward with an answer as to why the campaign was not informed? Conway–now a fixture in the White House–was established as campaign manager at the time of the September meeting and has not been involved in any questionable activity. Why not bring her into the loop as well as the candidate? Would that have spoiled things and devalued the “insurance” that Strzok and Page valued?

    My prediction if we ever get an answer is they will claim it not was appropriate because they also suspected Trump was directly involved with the Kremlin and informing him of possible Russian infiltration into his campaign would require disclosing the investigation and might be transmitted directly to the Kremlin. In other words, Trump himself was a potential security risk. In effect, their view was the entire campaign might have been a Trojan Horse for the Russians.

    I don’t disagree given the lack of options for an explanation, but this amounts to one gigantic (and insupportable) conspiracy theory in which the assumption drives the investigation, as opposed to allowing the investigation to formulate assumptions (how it’s supposed to work).

    Yep. But I predict it’s what they’re gonna use.

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    • May 4, 2019, at 11:47 AM PDT
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  29. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… Thatcher

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    Time again to ask this. Have any of those who are trying to rationalize this “surveillance” come forward with an answer as to why the campaign was not informed? Conway–now a fixture in the White House–was established as campaign manager at the time of the September meeting and has not been involved in any questionable activity. Why not bring her into the loop as well as the candidate? Would that have spoiled things and devalued the “insurance” that Strzok and Page valued?

    My prediction if we ever get an answer is they will claim it not was appropriate because they also suspected Trump was directly involved with the Kremlin and informing him of possible Russian infiltration into his campaign would require disclosing the investigation and might be transmitted directly to the Kremlin. In other words, Trump himself was a potential security risk. In effect, their view was the entire campaign might have been a Trojan Horse for the Russians.

    I don’t disagree given the lack of options for an explanation, but this amounts to one gigantic (and insupportable) conspiracy theory in which the assumption drives the investigation, as opposed to allowing the investigation to formulate assumptions (how it’s supposed to work).

    One of the big problems they will have (or should have) with that story is the timing. According to the Mueller Report the FBI and CIA were sitting around in blissful ignorance until on July 26 the Australians or Brits provided them information regarding the Papadopolous discussion in London in early May. They start their official investigation on July 31 so prior to that time they had no basis for providing a briefing (if the Mueller report is accurate, about which I have doubts). Even then, their story is all they know is P claims Mifsud told him they have damaging Hillary emails – there is no indication P himself has been compromised or is colluding with Russia. As far as we know right now, the only other piece of information they have over the next two months is the Steele Dossier which they use in the FISA application on Carter Page which is filed in the latter part of September. On the one hand, the dossier contains evidence the Russians had compromising information on Trump but, on the other hand, we now know the FBI and DOJ were never able to validate the dossier, yet used it in the application. So, unless there is something else out there we don’t know about the FBI is left on pretty shaky ground factually in denying a briefing.

    It’s also why it’s so important to discover if July 31 was really the start of the investigation or whether it was earlier, as many suspect. It’s also why figuring out whether the Russians were the ones approaching Trump staffers, was it US and friendly intelligence services, or a mixture of both.

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  30. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher

    Stina (View Comment):
    I think I read this in the conservative treehouse nearly a year ago. As well as Carter Page being an FBI informant on Russia prior to Trump campaign.

    Wake me up when that one makes it into mainstream news.

    The Conservative Treehouse has been ahead of this story all along. At first I thought they were just another wacko conspiracy site until the truth started coming out. I don’t know who Sundance is, but he must have some powerful connections inside the deep state.

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    • May 4, 2019, at 3:39 PM PDT
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