Notre Dame

 

My father is safe, but he’s been evacuated—indefinitely—so he’s sleeping in my bed. I’m sleeping in the attic. “It’s twenty years, I’ve been looking out on Notre Dame. That building is completely part of my life,” he said, before falling asleep.

It’s devastating. To walk across the Seine and not see the spire is devastating. To some extent, you know the feeling: it’s like seeing the Twin Towers in flames. A sense at once that it cannot be happening, and yet it is. I’ve just heard that the rose windows — built in 1260 — exploded. They are lost I feel a grief I can’t describe: They won’t be there for the next generation. Passed on, and passed on, generation after generation, and now, forevermore, people will see replicas of those windows. Reconstructions. With a plaque that explains there was a fire.

In the crowd, as we watched it burn, someone tried to rally spirits by singing the Marseillaise. I joined him. We got to “L’étendard sanglant est levé,” and someone said, “Bah oui,” and then we both fell silent.

There is some good news: they have saved the structure. The North tower has been saved. There is bad: a fireman has been severely injured. The roof has almost entirely been destroyed. The upper rose windows have melted.

I tried to describe what I was seeing to my father, but couldn’t. “We use the word ‘cathedral’ as a metaphor for everything,” I said. “What metaphor do you use for this?” I pointed at the cathedral in flames.

“It’s not a good omen,” he said.

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  1. Django Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    It’s surreal.

    I was listening to a Catholic invited onto Cavuto’s show to discuss the fire as it was burning. As soon as he mentioned that over a dozen Catholic churches had been vandalized in France recently, and one set on fire by arson last week in Paris, and wanted to just raise the possibility this might not be an accident, Cavuto cut him off and eventually hung up on him. Sheppard Smith was even more aggressively dismissive earlier in the afternoon, “nope, not going there, not on my watch,”

    We can’t even raise the question.

    I have seen so many statements over the last two days about the rash of vandalism of Catholic churches in France that I’ve been wondering about it. But until I saw this comment, I didn’t bother to investigate any further. Now that I have, your term “surreal” news coverage is the only accurate way to describe it.

    This self-censorship is hard to understand. I can’t imagine what they think they are doing or whom they think they are protecting.

    Although the perpetrators could be Muslims, it could also be the Communists–the Chinese Communists not too long ago lopped off every church steeple and cross they could find in China. In January 2018 they blew up a church completely. The French Communist Party is the third-largest party in France.

    But yesterday on the front page of the Wall Street Journal‘s online publication, one of the top stories of the day was that the WSJ had won a Pulitzer for it coverage of the Stormy Daniels incident.

    The absence of news coverage of the serious vandalism of the churches throughout Western Europe and particularly France is, as you said, surreal.

    I don’t know what kind of violence these news outlets think they are avoiding by not covering these vandalism stories. Christians are seldom, if ever, violent against other groups, even those groups that offend them. They are usually the victims.

    The bigger story here is what the mainstream media is trying to accomplish by squelching this news, all the while promoting a nonstory about Stormy Daniels.

    This is not news reporting. It’s their blatant attempt to manipulate current events.

    I’ve always looked at the press as private-sector businesses, free to do what they want. Now I wonder if I’ve been wrong about this, and if it is time to ask the industry to create some internal standards for reporting.

    I’ve been looking for the last few minutes for the report I read yesterday about muslims trashing Christian churches in the Carolinas. For some reason, I can’t find it anymore. 

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  2. Scott Wilmot Member
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  3. Django Member
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    Django (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    It’s surreal.

    I was listening to a Catholic invited onto Cavuto’s show to discuss the fire as it was burning. As soon as he mentioned that over a dozen Catholic churches had been vandalized in France recently, and one set on fire by arson last week in Paris, and wanted to just raise the possibility this might not be an accident, Cavuto cut him off and eventually hung up on him. Sheppard Smith was even more aggressively dismissive earlier in the afternoon, “nope, not going there, not on my watch,”

    We can’t even raise the question.

    I have seen so many statements over the last two days about the rash of vandalism of Catholic churches in France that I’ve been wondering about it. But until I saw this comment, I didn’t bother to investigate any further. Now that I have, your term “surreal” news coverage is the only accurate way to describe it.

    This self-censorship is hard to understand. I can’t imagine what they think they are doing or whom they think they are protecting.

    Although the perpetrators could be Muslims, it could also be the Communists–the Chinese Communists not too long ago lopped off every church steeple and cross they could find in China. In January 2018 they blew up a church completely. The French Communist Party is the third-largest party in France.

    But yesterday on the front page of the Wall Street Journal‘s online publication, one of the top stories of the day was that the WSJ had won a Pulitzer for it coverage of the Stormy Daniels incident.

    The absence of news coverage of the serious vandalism of the churches throughout Western Europe and particularly France is, as you said, surreal.

    I don’t know what kind of violence these news outlets think they are avoiding by not covering these vandalism stories. Christians are seldom, if ever, violent against other groups, even those groups that offend them. They are usually the victims.

    The bigger story here is what the mainstream media is trying to accomplish by squelching this news, all the while promoting a nonstory about Stormy Daniels.

    This is not news reporting. It’s their blatant attempt to manipulate current events.

    I’ve always looked at the press as private-sector businesses, free to do what they want. Now I wonder if I’ve been wrong about this, and if it is time to ask the industry to create some internal standards for reporting.

    I’ve been looking for the last few minutes for the report I read yesterday about muslims trashing Christian churches in the Carolinas. For some reason, I can’t find it anymore.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/south-carolina-church-vandalized-islam-palm-sunday?fbclid=IwAR35Pg64PDwMVoAOZ93R7IYzJV-KH38syHXdA8Vyer9n0JHS2dZN9S4WgjM

     

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  4. Archie Campbell Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):

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    Kozak (View Comment):

    We all know why the Europe is suddenly full of armed guards. And barriers. And bollards.

    Islamic terrorism. But we seem to need to tip toe around it oh so delicately.

    That’s the tone I was suggesting. The wave of the hand, the shrug.

    But don’t you want to just say it? I want to grab people and shake them to wake up.

    It’s surreal.

    I was listening to a Catholic invited onto Cavuto’s show to discuss the fire as it was burning. As soon as he mentioned that over a dozen Catholic churches had been vandalized in France recently, and one set on fire by arson last week in Paris, and wanted to just raise the possibility this might not be an accident, Cavuto cut him off and eventually hung up on him. Sheppard Smith was even more aggressively dismissive earlier in the afternoon, ” nope not going there, not on my watch”.

    We can’t even raise the question.

    My family and I went to Notre Dame last Christmas Day, and the security there was very heavy–police and troops with body armor and automatic weapons, armored cars, and every approach was controlled by police with pat-downs and bag checks. When we went there two days later, all of that was gone. So the French are aware of the symbolic value of ND to terrorists on one of the two big Christian holidays (or may have had actual intelligence about a possible attack for all I know.)

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  5. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    It’s surreal.

    I was listening to a Catholic invited onto Cavuto’s show to discuss the fire as it was burning. As soon as he mentioned that over a dozen Catholic churches had been vandalized in France recently, and one set on fire by arson last week in Paris, and wanted to just raise the possibility this might not be an accident, Cavuto cut him off and eventually hung up on him. Sheppard Smith was even more aggressively dismissive earlier in the afternoon, “nope, not going there, not on my watch,”

    We can’t even raise the question.

    I have seen so many statements over the last two days about the rash of vandalism of Catholic churches in France that I’ve been wondering about it. But until I saw this comment, I didn’t bother to investigate any further. Now that I have, your term “surreal” news coverage is the only accurate way to describe it.

    This self-censorship is hard to understand. I can’t imagine what they think they are doing or whom they think they are protecting.

    I don’t think that it is hard to understand at all.  It is unpleasant to contemplate.

    We have a great many fellow citizens who call good evil and evil good.  This spirit of deception has taken over one of our major political parties, most of the academy, and most of the press.  Even those of us in opposition often fear the truth about our situation.  We fear the backlash, perhaps, but I think that we also fear to face the truth about an ideology of evil and death that has a grip on a multitude, many of whom we love and admire in many ways.

    I think that we also fear, correctly in many instances, that speaking the truth will drive the deceived even further into the camp of the only real Enemy.  I think that we must be judicious with our words, and wise in choosing when to speak, and when to remain silent.

    What they are protecting is their narrative of lies.

    Interestingly, my Bible study group on Monday was without a planned study, so I led us to Isaiah 6 and 7.  These chapters emphasize the tragic fact that most people do not want to see or hear the truth.

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  6. GrannyDude Member
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    Of course my husband and I are thinking of you, Claire, and the great gift you gave us when you allowed us to dwell in your world (cats and all) for a wonderful week. Notre Dame was so much a part of that—we walked by it every day, attended services, and my husband received communion.  

    So sad. Bless you and your father. 

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  7. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    Claire, I’m very happy to hear that you and your father are safe, if heartbroken.

    I was struck by you singing the Marseillaise.  I do not know French, and did not know the meaning of the lyrics until your post led me to look them up.  It seems quite bloodthirsty and revolutionary, and I cannot help but remember that this was the song of the horrid, atheistic French revolution that banned Catholocism and defiled the very Cathedral that just burned, declaring it a Temple of Reason.  It seems to me that the Marseillaise represents the very fire that, metaphorically, has burned down the Faith in France.  France, sadly, appears to have led the rest of the West in this regard.

    The West.  What we used to call Christendom.

    Yet, by all appearances, many in France keenly feel the heartbreak of this week’s terrible, tragic, literal fire.  It is a bit difficult for me, as a believer, to understand why this would be so, and yet it gives me a sense of hope.  Perhaps their affection for this Cathedral is the call to worship the God that they have not wanted to acknowledge.  Perhaps this will draw the people of France to Him.

    I would not have thought of the Marseillaise — well, obviously, since I don’t even know the words — but I would not have thought of the Star-Spangled Banner, either, if such a tragedy had occurred in the US.  I would have been drawn to a song of Faith.  Perhaps Amazing Grace, the part that says:

    Through many dangers, toils and snares
    I have already come
    ‘Tis grace hath brought me safe thus far
    And grace will lead me home

    The earth shall soon dissolve like snow
    The sun forbear to shine
    But God, who called me here below
    Will be forever mine.

    I don’t know if the French have anything like this.

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  8. Kozak Member
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    Django (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    It’s surreal.

    I was listening to a Catholic invited onto Cavuto’s show to discuss the fire as it was burning. As soon as he mentioned that over a dozen Catholic churches had been vandalized in France recently, and one set on fire by arson last week in Paris, and wanted to just raise the possibility this might not be an accident, Cavuto cut him off and eventually hung up on him. Sheppard Smith was even more aggressively dismissive earlier in the afternoon, “nope, not going there, not on my watch,”

    We can’t even raise the question.

    I have seen so many statements over the last two days about the rash of vandalism of Catholic churches in France that I’ve been wondering about it. But until I saw this comment, I didn’t bother to investigate any further. Now that I have, your term “surreal” news coverage is the only accurate way to describe it.

    This self-censorship is hard to understand. I can’t imagine what they think they are doing or whom they think they are protecting.

    Although the perpetrators could be Muslims, it could also be the Communists–the Chinese Communists not too long ago lopped off every church steeple and cross they could find in China. In January 2018 they blew up a church completely. The French Communist Party is the third-largest party in France.

    But yesterday on the front page of the Wall Street Journal‘s online publication, one of the top stories of the day was that the WSJ had won a Pulitzer for it coverage of the Stormy Daniels incident.

    The absence of news coverage of the serious vandalism of the churches throughout Western Europe and particularly France is, as you said, surreal.

    I don’t know what kind of violence these news outlets think they are avoiding by not covering these vandalism stories. Christians are seldom, if ever, violent against other groups, even those groups that offend them. They are usually the victims.

    The bigger story here is what the mainstream media is trying to accomplish by squelching this news, all the while promoting a nonstory about Stormy Daniels.

    This is not news reporting. It’s their blatant attempt to manipulate current events.

    I’ve always looked at the press as private-sector businesses, free to do what they want. Now I wonder if I’ve been wrong about this, and if it is time to ask the industry to create some internal standards for reporting.

    I’ve been looking for the last few minutes for the report I read yesterday about muslims trashing Christian churches in the Carolinas. For some reason, I can’t find it anymore.

    Here.

     

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  9. Ansonia Member
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    Re#68

    I don’t think Islamists did that fairly easily cleaned up spray paint job in South Carolina, simply because their work is infinitely more vicious than that, usually.

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  10. Phil Turmel Inactive
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    Ansonia (View Comment):

    Re#68

    I don’t think Islamists did that fairly easily cleaned up spray paint job in South Carolina, simply because their work is infinitely more vicious than that, usually.

    They broke the stained glass windows, too.

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  11. Django Member
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    Ansonia (View Comment):

    Re#68

    I don’t think Islamists did that fairly easily cleaned up spray paint job in South Carolina, simply because their work is infinitely more vicious than that, usually.

    Carolina isn’t Paris and there are lines in the South that they aren’t ready to cross. In fairness, there have been fake hate crimes recently, though they usually involve blacks making claims against white Trump supporters. 

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  12. Ansonia Member
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    Re # 70

    I should have read the article instead of just looking at the picture. I didn’t know about the windows.

    Yeah, that’s possible. And I agree (71) they’d still be more subdued here in the South, for now.

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  13. Kay of MT Inactive
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    Excellent article from The Front Page Mag, Holy Smoke:

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/273504/holy-smoke-bruce-bawer

     

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  14. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Kay of MT (View Comment):

    Excellent article from The Front Page Mag, Holy Smoke:

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/273504/holy-smoke-bruce-bawer

    Roger Scruton fired from the beauty commission for telling the truth? Europe is dead. Welcome to Eurabia. 

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  15. MarciN Member
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    Kay of MT (View Comment):

    Excellent article from The Front Page Mag, Holy Smoke:

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/273504/holy-smoke-bruce-bawer

     

    That’s a powerful piece. Thank you.

    I am imagining the new version will look something like the I. M. Pei monstrosity in front of the Louvre:

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  16. Clifford A. Brown Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Kay of MT (View Comment):

    Excellent article from The Front Page Mag, Holy Smoke:

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/273504/holy-smoke-bruce-bawer

     

    That’s a powerful piece. Thank you.

    I am imagining the new version will look something like the I. M. Pei monstrosity in front of the Louvre:

    While the Front Page Magazine piece is provocative, in the real world the original cathedral will be painstakingly restored. Instead of wood timbers, which are another conflagration waiting to happen, there will be modern concrete or steel carefully covered/textured to look like the original exposed timbers. The very best of modern media (think Peter Jackson’s WWI masterpiece) will be brought to bear to revive every pane/statue/painting to what it looked like when first installed.

    The dispute, if it arises, will be over whether to put back up the very late addition (centuries after the original architecture) 19th Century spire. I bet supporters of the spire win.

    Everything else is clickbait.

    AND.

    It will mean nothing to the spiritual health of France or Europe.

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  17. MarciN Member
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    I don’t know if anyone is still reading this thread, but if they are, they might find this description of the firefighting effort yesterday interesting. From today’s WSJ:

    As a raging fire engulfed the wood-and-metal frame atop Notre Dame on Monday evening, city firefighters made a decision that likely saved the structure from complete collapse: They gave up on the roof and turned to saving the cathedral’s Gothic towers.

    Inside the 225-foot north tower, flames were beginning to lick at the wooden belfry, which not only holds its massive bells but also helps support the tower’s stone arches. A fire-brigade commander directed additional heavy water cannons mounted on 130-foot arms to douse the tower and create a water wall to protect it and the south tower from the blaze, officials said Wednesday.

    “We had to make a choice,” said José Vaz de Matos, a fire expert with the French culture ministry who was on the scene. “Once we lose the war for the belfry, we lose the cathedral. Because there’s a chain collapse.”

    The decision to focus their most powerful water cannons on the towers was one in a series of quick choices that Paris firefighters—backed by a crew of architects and cultural experts—had to make during Monday’s nine-hour fight against a blaze that threatened to completely destroy a cathedral that has towered over Paris for centuries.

    Commanders on the ground immediately requested fire boats to pump water from the River Seine that they would need to feed their heaviest firetrucks as the conflagration spread through “the forest,” Notre Dame’s timber roof frame. At the same time, they implemented protocols—such as shooting water at lower pressure than usual—to minimize damage to the cathedral’s priceless artworks and architecture.

    As they battled the fire, commanders also activated a cultural-artifact rescue plan with 100 firefighters trained to find and remove the relics inside the cathedral’s treasury. That allowed many objects to be secured before the cathedral’s lead-and-wood spire collapsed, crashing through the vaulted ceiling down to the floor some 300 feet below—a dramatic moment that occurred just over an hour after the fire was first spotted.

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  18. milkchaser Member
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    It’s a building. 
    No one was hurt.

    You want to save buildings like this? Plan. It’s not like there’s never been an accidental fire in the last 850 years.

    Don’t want to plan? Then say goodbye to your building.

    A friend of mine died in a fire last year (along with her husband and youngest child). That’s a tragedy. 

    Everything about this building is known. It can be rebuilt (with proper fire suppression). The oaks of today are just as strong as the oaks of the 12th century. 

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  19. Kay of MT Inactive
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    MarciN (View Comment):
    I don’t know if anyone is still reading this thread,

    Those of us who are following this thread get a notification when a new post is added.

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  20. Kozak Member
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    milkchaser (View Comment):

    It’s a building.
    No one was hurt.

    You want to save buildings like this? Plan. It’s not like there’s never been an accidental fire in the last 850 years.

    Don’t want to plan? Then say goodbye to your building.

    A friend of mine died in a fire last year (along with her husband and youngest child). That’s a tragedy.

    Everything about this building is known. It can be rebuilt (with proper fire suppression). The oaks of today are just as strong as the oaks of the 12th century.

    Just out of curiosity was there any fire suppression system in the building? Sprinklers?  Halon ( or some other gas to deny oxygen)?  

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  21. milkchaser Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):
    Just out of curiosity was there any fire suppression system in the building? Sprinklers? Halon ( or some other gas to deny oxygen)?

    I don’t think so. It was not well thought-out. The roof was waterproofed with lead to prevent leaking. While this was effective at stopping the rain from coming in, it also prevented the water cannons from dousing the burning rafters.

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