The Absolute Right to Choose Your Own Pronouns

 
I believe both in the right of individuals to express their personal pronoun preferences and in the right of other individuals to ignore them. It’s the same right in each case: the right of freedom of expression and it’s a right I hold dear. I understand that some folks in the trans movement would like to tell other people which words they can and can’t use. I don’t approve of that, because I really do believe in freedom of expression: the same freedom that lets a guy put on a dress and say “I’m a woman” lets me chuckle and say, “yeah, no. But let’s agree to disagree.” Live and let live. I know there are some men who like to dress up like women; there always have been. And I know there are people who are deeply confused about who and what they are. That’s too bad, but hardly new: troubled people have always been with us. What is new, and what I can’t abide, is this insistence that I go along with their fantasy. Everywhere else we disagree in this wonderful country, we stop short of telling other people to use our words, to profess our beliefs. We let people think differently, and we tolerate their expression of their ideas, of their differences, even if we find them odd, off-putting, or offensive. I believe that people are born either male or female and stay that way their whole lives, regardless of what they wear or what treatments they get. I think the trans movement is a silly often destructive fad and a way for people to avoid the stress of living up to their sex in a confused and sometimes challenging cultural climate. But, as I said, I respect the right, if not necessarily the choices, of people to express themselves as they wish, while retaining my own right to choose the pronouns I’ll use when referring to them. We don’t have to agree. We can just tolerate each other. I’m okay with that. Published in Culture
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  1. Joshua Bissey Inactive
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Joshua Bissey (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Joshua Bissey (View Comment):

    I’ll go a little farther, and say that I also reserve the right to use someone’s “dead” name. Yeah, sure, people can change their names, but if it’s part of an attempt to claim you’re Jack when you’re actually Jill, I’m not going along with it. You’re still Jill to me, honey.

    I can go either way with that, though I understand your reasoning. Unlike sex, names really are arbitrary: I’m happy to call Jenner whatever his new name is (though I forget it).

    In such cases, the names are certainly not arbitrary. If a man decided he was a woman, but then changed his name from Eddie to Butch, that would be an arbitrary name-change. But when he says he’s a man, and changes from Bradley to Chelsea, or even if he changed his name to Pat, then the new name is part of the lie. When you use that name, you participate in the lie.

    People reinvent themselves in many ways. It’s pretty hard to go through life without participating. I’d rather keep my eye on the bottom line.

    You’re right. Nothing matters. Let’s just all keep our heads down.

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  2. The Reticulator Member
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    Joshua Bissey (View Comment):
    You’re right. Nothing matters. Let’s just all keep our heads down.

    Free speech matters. A lot. Bottom line. 

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  3. Stad Coolidge
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    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    Interesting discussion, but am I the only one who keeps thinking we are all spending a lot of time talking about something that can’t possibly come up enough times in your life to really bothering taking a strong position on it.

    I’m 62, and I don’t remember ever running into a transexual, so I would have the opportunity to get into pronoun trouble. Maybe I just don’t get around much.

    We might as well all be perseverating about the proper etiquette for addressing an albino. Or a man with an eye patch.

    Has anyone here ever heard, before a year ago, of a crossdresser and his problems with public restrooms? How did this become a thing, and not albino abuse or eye patch ridicule?

    One of our friends has a “daughter” whom they adopted as a boy.  From an early age, he exhibited all the behaviors of a girl – toys, clothes, mannerisms.

    She is an adult now, and quite attractive.  Note I said “she”, and I don’t even know if she has had the final operation yet.  I suspect so.

    We ran into a transsexual at my wife’s high school reunion last year.  Although the person was large in stature, her face and mannerisms were feminine enough where biological women wouldn’t run screaming from the ladies room if she entered.  Heck, I’ve seen women in town who were very masculine looking.

    The bottom line?  LBGTs would get more support and acceptance if they weren’t beating people over the head with their endless quest to be called “normal”, and their desire to force feed LGBT education on our children, and re-education in the workplace.

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  4. Taras Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

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    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    Are you as bewildered as I am that this is even controversial?

    What I don’t understand is the people on the left who insist that he IS a woman. They know he’s not – they’re not all crazy. So what are they up to?

     

    Their sense of self-worth is deeply involved in their moral superiority (self-defined). They need to adopt the latest fashion in progressive virtue.

    My impression is that this is pretty close to the truth, but I’d suggest that it goes a step or two further. They want to show their superiority to you by making you bow to their demands. They want you to know your place. If everybody followed their pronoun diktats as a matter of normal social interchange, they’d have to find something else to use to put you in your place. It used to be called micro-aggression, but it’s going beyond micro now.

    By the way, last year in Poland my most frequent use of Polish was to ask whether the other person could speak English, using pan when addressing a man and pani for a woman. I don’t know if those are pronouns, strictly speaking, but they usually are translated into English as pronouns. Only once did I slip up and say pani instead of pan, and instantly corrected myself. Not only did the other party not call the police, but he didn’t show the slightest trace of annoyance that I could detect.

    Progressives are always selling the Emperor ‘s New Clothes, so they are constantly ready to attack and silence that proverbial little boy, the moment he opens his mouth to point out the Emperor is naked.

    Unfortunately, if a conservative stands up to the progressives, the progs can always find a Never-Trumpy, Rob-Longy type of “conservative” to take their side “in this particular case”.

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  5. Aaron Miller Inactive
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    We should all wear socks with sandals in solidarity with freakish movements of the day. It doesn’t harm anybody. Don’t judge me!

    I hear the next Super Bowl will include bunny slippers and Hello Kitty backpacks.

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  6. Randy Webster Inactive
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    or destroy what once made our universities great, though.

    That’s a fait accompli.

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  7. The Reticulator Member
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    Aaron Miller (View Comment):

    We should all wear socks with sandals in solidarity with freakish movements of the day. It doesn’t harm anybody. Don’t judge me!

    I hear the next Super Bowl will include bunny slippers and Hello Kitty backpacks.

    I once wore socks with sandals. Our Genetics professor asked me to teach the lab one day when he had to be gone, so on campus that day I wore a jacket and tie with socks and sandals. There are people who won’t let me forget. I still don’t see what was wrong with it. I think that was my senior year; because Mrs R is one of those who remembers.   

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  8. Henry Racette Member
    Henry Racette
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    Names are arbitrary in the sense that, unlike sex, a person’s name really can be anything he or she wants it to be. It’s just a legal thing.  I don’t consider it a confession of belief to use someone’s legal name, even if I think it is a silly legal name. But using the wrong pronoun would be, at least for me, a kind of confession of belief, and I won’t have such a confession forced from me.

     I know some disagree, but I think this is a big deal. As I mentioned in the original post, it’s exceptional to insist that people use particular words to acknowledge things they believe to be untrue. Aside from all the social damage done by something as foolish as the trans movement, and I do think it is substantial, this forced confession aspect is unusual and disturbing, and I do think we should fight it. This is not a civil rights movement. This is compelled speech.

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  9. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio…
    @ArizonaPatriot

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Names are arbitrary in the sense that, unlike sex, a person’s name really can be anything he or she wants it to be. It’s just a legal thing. I don’t consider it a confession of belief to use someone’s legal name, even if I think it is a silly legal name. But using the wrong pronoun would be, at least for me, a kind of confession of belief, and I won’t have such a confession forced from me.

    I know some disagree, but I think this is a big deal. As I mentioned in the original post, it’s exceptional to insist that people use particular words to acknowledge things they believe to be untrue. Aside from all the social damage done by something as foolish as the trans movement, and I do think it is substantial, this forced confession aspect is unusual and disturbing, and I do think we should fight it. This is not a civil rights movement. This is compelled speech.

    Henry, with respect, I find myself in disagreement with you about this.  People are deliberately choosing bizarre names, and I do not have to go along with it.  If I told you that I legally changed my name to “Your Holiness,” I hope you would say the same thing that Sarge said to “Psycho” in Stripes — “lighten up, Francis.”

    (Coincidentally, my middle name actually is Francis.)

    Henry, I don’t think that this is a small point.  We have a malicious opposition that uses a claim to politeness as the mechanism for enforcing Newspeak.  I respectfully dissent.

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  10. Spin Inactive
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    Henry Racette: We can just tolerate each other. I’m okay with that.

    The problem, of course, is that “those folks” think you are intolerant if you don’t call them by their preferred pronoun.

    Again, I’m okay with that.

    Except that we’ve trained our young people that being intolerant is wrong and must not be tolerated.

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  11. Henry Racette Member
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    Spin (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    Henry Racette: We can just tolerate each other. I’m okay with that.

    The problem, of course, is that “those folks” think you are intolerant if you don’t call them by their preferred pronoun.

    Again, I’m okay with that.

    Except that we’ve trained our young people that being intolerant is wrong and must not be tolerated.

    Oh, I get what you’re saying. And yes, it’s a problem. But the only response, I think, is to defy their demands and point out that tolerance goes both ways — and that it is not the same as approval. 

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  12. Henry Racette Member
    Henry Racette
    @HenryRacette

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Names are arbitrary in the sense that, unlike sex, a person’s name really can be anything he or she wants it to be. It’s just a legal thing. I don’t consider it a confession of belief to use someone’s legal name, even if I think it is a silly legal name. But using the wrong pronoun would be, at least for me, a kind of confession of belief, and I won’t have such a confession forced from me.

    I know some disagree, but I think this is a big deal. As I mentioned in the original post, it’s exceptional to insist that people use particular words to acknowledge things they believe to be untrue. Aside from all the social damage done by something as foolish as the trans movement, and I do think it is substantial, this forced confession aspect is unusual and disturbing, and I do think we should fight it. This is not a civil rights movement. This is compelled speech.

    Henry, with respect, I find myself in disagreement with you about this. People are deliberately choosing bizarre names, and I do not have to go along with it. If I told you that I legally changed my name to “Your Holiness,” I hope you would say the same thing that Sarge said to “Psycho” in Stripes — “lighten up, Francis.”

    (Coincidentally, my middle name actually is Francis.)

    Henry, I don’t think that this is a small point. We have a malicious opposition that uses a claim to politeness as the mechanism for enforcing Newspeak. I respectfully dissent.

    Fair enough. We may draw lines in different places. I will use people’s legal names unless they’re offensive to me or ridiculously contrived.  I draw my line at pronouns and other overt claims of sexual identity. If anyone feels less “woke” than me, I applaud them, and encourage them.

    ( I thought I’d already posted this here, but can’t find it. If I’m repeating myself, I apologize.)

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  13. Aaron Miller Inactive
    Aaron Miller
    @AaronMiller

    Whether it’s the name given by one’s parents or the sex given by God, either way the person is grasping at a fantasy of self-creation; a disordered desire for total autonomy. 

    There are several respectable reasons people legally change their names. But if the reason is to pretend a sex change, the name is part of the lie. If I knew the person’s original name, that’s the one I would use.

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  14. Columbo Inactive
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    I think a good first step would be to stop referring to them as transsexuals. They aren’t changing their sex, they’re changing their appearance. They’re transvestites.

    Nothing wrong with that.

     

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