Sanctuary Sweepstakes

 

First there was a “leak” that Orange Man Bad was thinking about punishing Sanctuary Cities by “dumping” illegal aliens in them, but the courageous Deep State talked him out of it. Then there was “OM!, Trump publicly saying he was still thinking about it!” And then there was Pelosi and others saying how mean and evil Trump was to either think about it or do it: “dumping” illegal aliens in Sanctuary Cities. Then there was Tucker Carlson making specific suggestions as to which communities to target with the opportunity to embrace Sanctuary politicians’ inner virtue. Now the AP has launched the latest counteroffensive by publishing Trump sanctuary city idea could help migrants stay in the US. You see, Trump’s strategy could actually backfire! Certainly, Libby Schaaf, Oakland CA mayor, is ready to embrace more illegals.

Color me confused. How many Trump supporters actually believe that there will be mass deportations? So, if there aren’t, how is this going to undermine Trump’s electoral chances? More likely, should illegals be placed (not “dumped”) in those communities that have vocally advocated for them, so the residents get first-hand experience on what happens when all of the benefits that advocates have touted are received, or not. This is not a losing bet for Trump. It smacks of baseball executive Sandy Alderson’s response to the threat of an umpire’s strike: “This is either a threat to be ignored or an offer to be accepted.”

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  1. OccupantCDN Coolidge

    Its often stated that the purpose of the uncontrolled migration is to change the electorate. In order for these changes to mater, the democrats have to get their new voters into districts where they’re needed. IF the new immigrants get dumped into sanctuary cities, their strategy fails, because they already win these districts by significant margins. So yes let the migrants go where they’re ‘wanted’.

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    • April 14, 2019, at 12:44 PM PDT
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  2. Rodin Member
    Rodin Post author

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Its often stated that the purpose of the uncontrolled migration is to change the electorate. In order for these changes to mater, the democrats have to get their new voters into districts where they’re needed. IF the new immigrants get dumped into sanctuary cities, their strategy fails, because they already win these districts by significant margins. So yes let the migrants go where they’re ‘wanted’.

    Exactly. This is what was behind Pelosi’s outrage. Putting migrants into Dem strongholds doesn’t do them any good when they really need the votes to be elsewhere.

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    • April 14, 2019, at 12:47 PM PDT
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  3. Randy Webster Member

    Maybe I’m just a naif, but why are these people being allowed to vote?

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    • April 14, 2019, at 12:49 PM PDT
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  4. OccupantCDN Coolidge

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Maybe I’m just a naif, but why are these people being allowed to vote?

    I dont think they are – yet. I think many vote illegally but the hope is, once they get the white house the democrats can push though some form of amnesty and get all of them to vote.

    Which also explains why the democrats refuse to clean up voter roles – without the dead and illegal voters they’d actually have to campaign.

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    • April 14, 2019, at 12:54 PM PDT
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  5. Seawriter Member

    Move them all to Hawaii. It will be difficult for them to leave, so they are more likely to show up for their hearings. The climate is great, which is a disincentive for them to leave. It is one of the 50 states, nullifying any legal arguments that could arise by moving them to territories. They will be among other minorities, so they will be less likely to have to fight white privilege. And Hawaii is bluer than Tidy-e-Bowl, which means even if they vote illegally it will not change elections.

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    • April 14, 2019, at 1:56 PM PDT
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  6. Randy Webster Member

    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Move them all to Hawaii. It will be difficult for them to leave, so they are more likely to show up for their hearings. The climate is great, which is a disincentive for them to leave. It is one of the 50 states, nullifying any legal arguments that could arise by moving them to territories. They will be among other minorities, so they will be less likely to have to fight white privilege. And Hawaii is bluer than Tidy-e-Bowl, which means even if they vote illegally it will not change elections.

    They ought to feel privileged. I’ve never been able to afford to go to Hawaii.

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    • April 14, 2019, at 2:00 PM PDT
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  7. cdor Member

    Isn’t the irony absolutely gorgeous? And Hawaii? Yes, yes, yes! When I first heard of this strategy I was elated at the genius. Then I thought, wellllll I don’t know, they can always move anywhere they want after they arrive in San Francisco. But Hawaii…whoa now there’s some heapin’ icing on that cake. Oh, and illegal, now why might that be? Because of lefty judges, we can’t hold them on the border for more than 20 days. They have to go somewhere. Except this might now be mute because Trump has just gotten approval by King Justice to move them back to Mexico. And on it goes …..

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    • April 14, 2019, at 2:11 PM PDT
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  8. DonG Coolidge

    White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico is 3200 square miles. A very nice holding area for millions of people could be made near the southern border. If anyone choose to “escape”, they would be in a restricted military area and subject to immediate prosecution and deportation. It would be a cheap and easy solution. 

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    • April 14, 2019, at 2:13 PM PDT
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  9. Seawriter Member

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Move them all to Hawaii. It will be difficult for them to leave, so they are more likely to show up for their hearings. The climate is great, which is a disincentive for them to leave. It is one of the 50 states, nullifying any legal arguments that could arise by moving them to territories. They will be among other minorities, so they will be less likely to have to fight white privilege. And Hawaii is bluer than Tidy-e-Bowl, which means even if they vote illegally it will not change elections.

    They ought to feel privileged. I’ve never been able to afford to go to Hawaii.

    If you were taken there you could not afford to leave, then. Which is the point.

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    • April 14, 2019, at 2:16 PM PDT
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  10. OldPhil Coolidge

    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Move them all to Hawaii. It will be difficult for them to leave, so they are more likely to show up for their hearings. The climate is great, which is a disincentive for them to leave. It is one of the 50 states, nullifying any legal arguments that could arise by moving them to territories. They will be among other minorities, so they will be less likely to have to fight white privilege. And Hawaii is bluer than Tidy-e-Bowl, which means even if they vote illegally it will not change elections.

    Another plus is we’ll be sure to hear more words of wisdom from Crazie Mazie.

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    • April 14, 2019, at 2:17 PM PDT
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  11. Buckpasser Member

    If they have to be released within 20 days where are they being released to now? How did those communities draw the short straw? I keep hearing the left speak of fairness. The Presidents suggestion seems fair to me.

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    • April 14, 2019, at 2:38 PM PDT
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  12. EJHill Podcaster

    David French at National Review thinks this is a horrible idea, which now kind of makes me think it’s probably pretty good. His belief is that the liberals would rally behind those “dumped” into their communities which would actually make them look good. 

    How does one come to the belief that politicians or leftist groups favoring lawbreaking foreigners over law-abiding Americans make anyone look good? What special flavor of Kool-aid must one drink and how much of it must one consume until that makes sense?

     

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    • April 14, 2019, at 3:25 PM PDT
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  13. Rodin Member
    Rodin Post author

    EJHill (View Comment):
    David French at National Review thinks this is a horrible idea, which now kind of makes me think it’s probably pretty good.

    Yes, that’s an indicator that it would be good.

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    • April 14, 2019, at 3:38 PM PDT
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  14. EJHill Podcaster

    That weird feeling you get when Cher makes more sense than the folks at National Review…

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    • April 14, 2019, at 3:58 PM PDT
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  15. CarolJoy, Above Top Secret Coolidge

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Its often stated that the purpose of the uncontrolled migration is to change the electorate. In order for these changes to mater, the democrats have to get their new voters into districts where they’re needed. IF the new immigrants get dumped into sanctuary cities, their strategy fails, because they already win these districts by significant margins. So yes let the migrants go where they’re ‘wanted’.

    But although what you state is true, there is nothing to prevent the Dems in the sanctuary cities to organize busing the immigrants to some other parts of the country.

    A musical chairs’ game for the immigrants is just not the answer.

    For instance, cities in California are known to give some of the homeless folks a one way ticket to Las Vegas or Reno. I don’t know if that has occurred recently but it was happening ten years ago.

    So Dem officials might decide to have them sent off to some Republican stronghold.

    In any event, the fact remains that there are one billion people living south of the border. Congress has failed to establish any sort of meaningful legislation on what to do about the fact that at least 30% of people south of the border would love to come here. And remember, for many of them, they don’t need to join a caravan – they simply ask a mother, father or sibling who lives here to send them an airplane ticket. They apply for a visa to enter the US for a visit and then they never return back.

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    • April 14, 2019, at 4:10 PM PDT
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  16. GrannyDude Member

    I thought Trump’s suggestion was great. He could have planned it as a fait accompli, with the planes already en route to San Fran then played it deadpan: “But Nancy, of course I thought they’d be happier in your welcoming, open-minded, open-hearted sanctuary communities …and I know how much you and your constituents love the vibrant diversity they bring with them…!” 

    Who could complain about being sent to Berkeley? Or (wow!) Hawaii? Nice weather, no bigots. They’d surely be better off than the poor Somalis who got sent to shiver in Minnesota and Maine? 

     

     

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    • April 14, 2019, at 5:04 PM PDT
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  17. dnewlander Member

    DonG (View Comment):

    White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico is 3200 square miles. A very nice holding area for millions of people could be made near the southern border. If anyone choose to “escape”, they would be in a restricted military area and subject to immediate prosecution and deportation. It would be a cheap and easy solution.

    Is the fact that it’s overflown several times daily by live warheads a bonus in your book?

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    • April 14, 2019, at 5:24 PM PDT
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  18. TBA Coolidge
    TBA

    Whyever don’t we make a law saying that missing a court date is grounds for immediate deportation? 

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    • April 14, 2019, at 6:18 PM PDT
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  19. dnewlander Member

    TBA (View Comment):

    Whyever don’t we make a law saying that missing a court date is grounds for immediate deportation?

    Only if we put tracking devices on them before releasing them.

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    • April 14, 2019, at 6:33 PM PDT
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  20. Franco Member

    CarolJoy, Above Top Secret (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Its often stated that the purpose of the uncontrolled migration is to change the electorate. In order for these changes to mater, the democrats have to get their new voters into districts where they’re needed. IF the new immigrants get dumped into sanctuary cities, their strategy fails, because they already win these districts by significant margins. So yes let the migrants go where they’re ‘wanted’.

    But although what you state is true, there is nothing to prevent the Dems in the sanctuary cities to organize busing the immigrants to some other parts of the country.

    A musical chairs’ game for the immigrants is just not the answer.

    For instance, cities in California are known to give some of the homeless folks a one way ticket to Las Vegas or Reno. I don’t know if that has occurred recently but it was happening ten years ago.

    So Dem officials might decide to have them sent off to some Republican stronghold.

    In any event, the fact remains that there are one billion people living south of the border. Congress has failed to establish any sort of meaningful legislation on what to do about the fact that at least 30% of people south of the border would love to come here. And remember, for many of them, they don’t need to join a caravan – they simply ask a mother, father or sibling who lives here to send them an airplane ticket. They apply for a visa to enter the US for a visit and then they never return back.

    You mean, deporting immigrants out of the so-called “sanctuary” into the hellish and bigoted nether-regions?

    Not much of a sanctuary then is it? Cruel democrats!😉

     

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    • April 15, 2019, at 4:09 AM PDT
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  21. Franco Member

    This whole thing is a masterpiece of ju -jitsu, forcing your opponent to make your argument.

    Actually it’s not that much of a masterpiece, only compared to how most other Republicans have been operating, so afraid they have been to float ideas that seem unconventional.

    Just having this debate at all is a huge persuasion win for border control. 

    This will probably never happen but that’s irrelevant. There are surface arguments ( impractical, unconstitutional) but most people- even the stupid ones – can’t get away from the fundamentals here. Mass migration puts a strain on government services, cannot be construed as some overall benefit, and if these Democrat enclaves aren’t welcoming this demographic with it’s reputation for lawfulness, initiative and diversity contribution, well then…?

     

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    • April 15, 2019, at 4:23 AM PDT
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  22. Matthew Singer Member

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Maybe I’m just a naif, but why are these people being allowed to vote?

    I dont think they are – yet. I think many vote illegally but the hope is, once they get the white house the democrats can push though some form of amnesty and get all of them to vote.

    Which also explains why the democrats refuse to clean up voter roles – without the dead and illegal voters they’d actually have to campaign.

    The long game. Their kids will be birthright citizens.

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    • April 15, 2019, at 7:33 AM PDT
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  23. cdor Member

    dnewlander (View Comment):

    DonG (View Comment):

    White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico is 3200 square miles. A very nice holding area for millions of people could be made near the southern border. If anyone choose to “escape”, they would be in a restricted military area and subject to immediate prosecution and deportation. It would be a cheap and easy solution.

    Is the fact that it’s overflown several times daily by live warheads a bonus in your book?

    On second thought, maybe there might be a little better place.

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    • April 15, 2019, at 8:02 AM PDT
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  24. namlliT noD Member

    Franco (View Comment):
    This whole thing is a masterpiece of ju -jitsu, forcing your opponent to make your argument.

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    • April 15, 2019, at 8:30 AM PDT
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  25. JamesSalerno Coolidge

    EJHill (View Comment):

    That weird feeling you get when Cher makes more sense than the folks at National Review…

    Cher really likes to yell.

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    • April 15, 2019, at 8:37 AM PDT
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  26. Profile Photo Member

    Seawriter, you very bad man for this “Hawaii” suggestion, almost as bad as “Orange Man Bad”, although Cher may be on board with your suggestion. 

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    • April 15, 2019, at 8:54 AM PDT
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  27. Profile Photo Member

    What Cher doesn’t seem to understand is that LA’s 50,000 plus homeless are a “feature” not a “bug” of our City’s and our State’s wondrous policies.

    The Democrats are into the reverse of the ‘broken window” theory. Break more windows, create more chaos. All good for inciting discontent and charging “racism”.

    What do you expect when the State, County and City:

    • Enact thousands of insane and unworkable laws and regulations that are sending millions of viable manufacturing jobs absolutely running from the State. Georgia now has more than 60% more movie production than LA. The LA City Council is absolutely hell bent on suicide and killing the vital essence of LA.

    • Enact zoning laws and other restrictions that effectively ban the development of low cost privately funded single family housing while insisting on the development of very expensive, but trashy “luxury” apartments and condos ( at 2 1/2 times the cost of tract housing on average) that demand six figure incomes to qualify, made that way by thousands of expensive but unnecessary regulations.

    • Refuse for the last 40 years to improve the traffic infrastructure, so the City is fast approaching absolute gridlock , trapping the working and middle class and forcing them to work close home. If LA City were to spend to improve it’s infrastructure per it’s share of the Gas and related Excise taxes it would be spending over a $1 Billion a year, where in reality it only spends about $20 million. The City Council now claims it is not improving traffic conditions “for the children” because faster traffic may cause more traffic deaths from kids running across the street.

    • Insisting on a Welfare State social system that encourages fatherless families and one that encourages divorce with no visitation from Fathers, causing untold mental illness and great life long anxiety ridden troubled lives for the children of these troubled dysfunctional families.

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    • April 15, 2019, at 9:15 AM PDT
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  28. Full Size Tabby Member

    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    I thought Trump’s suggestion was great. He could have planned it as a fait accompli, with the planes already en route to San Fran then played it deadpan: “But Nancy, of course I thought they’d be happier in your welcoming, open-minded, open-hearted sanctuary communities …and I know how much you and your constituents love the vibrant diversity they bring with them…!”

    Who could complain about being sent to Berkeley? Or (wow!) Hawaii? Nice weather, no bigots. They’d surely be better off than the poor Somalis who got sent to shiver in Minnesota and Maine?

     

     

    Although I like the Hawaii suggestion best, I am baffled why the “sanctuary cities” object to housing the illegal immigrants. As you say, the people of those cities keep telling us how much they want the “diversity” illegal immigration brings and how it is our duty to care for them. And (since I am assuming the voters of those cities voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016), those are the places she told us were of growth and dynamism, and so is the type of place they should want to put them for the maximum benefit of the illegal immigrants. 

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  29. The Reticulator Member

    Franco (View Comment):
    forcing your opponent to make your argument.

    Yes.

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    • April 15, 2019, at 10:24 AM PDT
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  30. Franco Member

    JamesSalerno (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):

    That weird feeling you get when Cher makes more sense than the folks at National Review…

    Cher really likes to yell.

    She can always blame it on too much auto-tuning by her sound man…

    Do you believe in life after bums….

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    • April 15, 2019, at 11:30 AM PDT
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