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Donald and Melania Trump Are Human, Too

 

With all the turmoil and conflict surrounding the Trump presidency and the Trump family, I have to wonder how Donald and Melania Trump are finding their way through it all. I have no idea what their marriage was like before the Presidency, but the stress must be enormous, especially with the constant attacks launched by the media.

So you can imagine my surprise at seeing a short CNN report while I was working out at my fitness club about the romantic dinners the Trumps have at Mar-a-Lago. I watched the entire piece, waiting for some kind of snark. There wasn’t any.

Apparently, Laurence Leamer, a part-time resident of Palm Beach, has written about their holidays:

Mr Leamer said: ‘What married couple spends three hours together alone at dinner? They’re there so long, other people are leaving and they’re just there.

‘They dine for hours. He likes a small table, a four-person table, so people can come over to say hello but there’s not enough room to invite people to join.’

A White House official confirmed Mr. Leamer’s account.

Gosh, who would have thought that the evil Donald Trump and his mysterious wife might actually like to talk to each other? That they might even like each other?

When was the last time you went out for a romantic, candlelit dinner and talked with your spouse alone for two to three hours?

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  1. Thatcher

    Susan Quinn: and talked with your spouse alone for two to three hours?

    I’ve listened to my spouse for two or three hours . . .

    But seriously, they must have a pretty strong marriage to survive the media harassment they undergo. It makes me wonder what would have happened to Bill and Hillary Clinton if the MSM went all negative, all the time like they’ve done with Trump and Melania.

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    • April 11, 2019 at 7:11 am
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    Susan Quinn Post author

    Stad (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: and talked with your spouse alone for two to three hours?

    I’ve listened to my spouse for two or three hours . . .

    But seriously, they must have a pretty strong marriage to survive the media harassment they undergo. It makes me wonder what would have happened to Bill and Hillary Clinton if the MSM went all negative, all the time like they’ve done with Trump and Melania.

    Good question, @stad. I still can’t figure out why CNN broadcast this story. Everyone is so busy demonizing Trump and ridiculing Melania that to see them as a charming couple invested in and interested in each other was surprising. Some editor must have thought he was getting one thing and got another!

    And yes, we women can get on a roll, but I suspect Neutral Observer is a pretty good listener, too!

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    • April 11, 2019 at 7:14 am
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  3. Thatcher

    Susan Quinn:

    A White House official confirmed Mr Leamer’s account.

    Gosh, who would have thought that the evil Donald Trump and his mysterious wife might actually like to talk to each other? That they might even like each other?

    When was the last time you went out for a romantic, candlelit dinner and talked with your spouse alone for two to three hours?

    Susan,

    I saw a man he danced with his wife.

    Regards,

    Jim

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    • April 11, 2019 at 7:22 am
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    Susan Quinn Post author

    I also wonder, given how badly Melania has been treated, if men are jealous that he is married to such a smart, stylish and beautiful woman. Eat your hearts out, guys!

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    • April 11, 2019 at 7:26 am
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    I think (can’t possibly actually know) that Melania is quite bright. She was well-aware of what she was getting into by getting involved with The Donald. So either she is genuinely in love with the man or has made a certain calculation about what it takes to remain with him (or some combination thereof), and knows how to maintain his fascination and interest in her. Their lives have so many dimensions that topics for conversation should not be at all difficult to find. The question is only that of having interest in exchange. And that is where her brilliance really shows up: keeping a man famously peripatetic interested in talking with her. We are all capable of making our partner want to stop listening. She knows how to avoid it.

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    • April 11, 2019 at 7:35 am
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  6. Member

    Susan Quinn: Gosh, who would have thought that the evil Donald Trump and his mysterious wife might actually like to talk to each other? That they might even like each other?

    I think that people give short shrift to the possibility that people can change. 

    If DJT has changed morally, I’d credit his wife.

    If we ever had solid reporters again, I’d like to see an interview of Melania and DJT on the Stormy Daniel’s affair, because that’s the most recent indiscretion they’ve dug up so far.

    I think Melania knew about it. I think she forgave him (she appears to take her catholic faith seriously, considering her rather counter-cultural christmas decor). I think he was humbled by that. I think he paid stormy to keep her mouth shut out of respect to his wife and its publicity, not to keep it a secret from her.

    I think Melania’s quiet grace has the power to transform a wayward man-child into a faithful husband.

    The apostle Peter says (and I’m gonna paraphrase) a loving wife can save her husband. So why not?

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    • April 11, 2019 at 7:48 am
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    I think (can’t possibly actually know) that Melania is quite bright. She was well-aware of what she was getting into by getting involved with The Donald. So either she is genuinely in love with the man or has made a certain calculation about what it takes to remain with him (or some combination thereof), and knows how to maintain his fascination and interest in her. Their lives have so many dimensions that topics for conversation should not be at all difficult to find. The question is only that of having interest in exchange. And that is where her brilliance really shows up: keeping a man famously peripatetic interested in talking with her. We are all capable of making our partner want to stop listening. She knows how to avoid it.


    I like this theory, too… DJT’s very own Sheherazade.

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    • April 11, 2019 at 7:51 am
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    A couple of times I’ve read brief references in reliable articles that mention Melania is one of Donald Trump’s closest advisors, that he highly values her assessment and input. It also seems to me he does better, is more at ease, when she’s with him, which is characteristic of a couple with a certain level of familiarity/closeness. His few large, spontaneous smiles I’ve seen in photographs have most often been in her presence. Sometimes it’s the small or involuntary things that tell the truest story.

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    • April 11, 2019 at 8:00 am
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  9. Member

    Susan Quinn: Donald and Melania Trump are Human, Too.

    That’s the problem. They’re merely homo sapiens sapiens. Everybody knows that the planet needs to be governed by members of homo sapiens superior in order to avoid destruction. The fact that a member of homo sapiens sapiens was permitted to acquire Trump’s level of wealth and influence is proof that the system is broken.

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    • April 11, 2019 at 8:01 am
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    Moderator Note:

    Vulgar

    Animals eat all the time together. Nazis had dinner with their wives too. All of this is just circumstantial evidence of his humanity. 

    Stina (View Comment):

    If we ever had solid reporters again, I’d like to see an interview of Melania and DJT on the Stormy Daniel’s affair, because that’s the most recent indiscretion they’ve dug up so far.

    I think Melania knew about it. I think she forgave him (she appears to take her catholic faith seriously, considering her rather counter-cultural christmas decor). I think he was humbled by that. I think he paid stormy to keep her mouth shut out of respect to his wife and its publicity, not to keep it a secret from her.

    Or she signed a prenuptial agreement and if they divorce she gets no money, [redacted]

     

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    • April 11, 2019 at 8:03 am
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: Gosh, who would have thought that the evil Donald Trump and his mysterious wife might actually like to talk to each other? That they might even like each other?

    I think that people give short shrift to the possibility that people can change.

    If DJT has changed morally, I’d credit his wife.

    If we ever had solid reporters again, I’d like to see an interview of Melania and DJT on the Stormy Daniel’s affair, because that’s the most recent indiscretion they’ve dug up so far.

    I think Melania knew about it. I think she forgave him (she appears to take her catholic faith seriously, considering her rather counter-cultural christmas decor). I think he was humbled by that. I think he paid stormy to keep her mouth shut out of respect to his wife and its publicity, not to keep it a secret from her.

    I think Melania’s quiet grace has the power to transform a wayward man-child into a faithful husband.

    The apostle Peter says (and I’m gonna paraphrase) a loving wife can save her husband. So why not?

    From her interview in Africa, I grew to like her a lot. I think you’re right: she brought him around. And I think he respects her a lot, and she him, in spite of his affairs. Thanks, Stina.

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    • April 11, 2019 at 8:05 am
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    Misthiocracy secretly (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: Donald and Melania Trump are Human, Too.

    That’s the problem. They’re merely homo sapiens sapiens. Everybody knows that the planet needs to be governed by members of homo sapiens superior in order to avoid destruction.

    Of course! Unless they’re just the right kinds of Progressives. And depending on how you define superior! Thanks, Mis.

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    • April 11, 2019 at 8:07 am
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    Valiuth (View Comment):
    Or she signed a prenuptial agreement and if they divorce she gets no money, [redacted]

    Your pessimism is refreshing…

    Said no one, ever.

    That theory is quashed by the actual relationship that exists. Usually, Trump was on to his next wife by now. There has to be a reason he hasn’t. Viagra is too prevalent for age to be the issue. I mean, florida retirees at one point had the highest rate of STD transmission! Obviously age doesn’t need to be a factor.

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    • April 11, 2019 at 8:09 am
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    Valiuth (View Comment):
    All of this is just circumstantial evidence of his humanity

    How about showing us yours, @valiuth. And please stop the Nazi references, indirect or not.

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    • April 11, 2019 at 8:09 am
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    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Animals eat all the time together. Nazis had dinner with their wives too. All of this is just circumstantial evidence of his humanity.

    Stina (View Comment):

    If we ever had solid reporters again, I’d like to see an interview of Melania and DJT on the Stormy Daniel’s affair, because that’s the most recent indiscretion they’ve dug up so far.

    I think Melania knew about it. I think she forgave him (she appears to take her catholic faith seriously, considering her rather counter-cultural christmas decor). I think he was humbled by that. I think he paid stormy to keep her mouth shut out of respect to his wife and its publicity, not to keep it a secret from her.

    Or she signed a prenuptial agreement and if they divorce she gets no money,[redacted].

     

    I hope that was a bad attempt at humor.

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    • April 11, 2019 at 8:32 am
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  16. Thatcher

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    I suspect Neutral Observer is a pretty good listener, too!

    Hehe . . . only when she wants to be!

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    • April 11, 2019 at 8:55 am
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  17. Coolidge
    TBA

    Eight years of hearing how classy Michelle Obama and Melania Trump is twice as classy but uncredited. 

    Personally I thought Michelle was neither classy nor unclassy. She aquitted herself well enough. There were a few things that could be considered gaffes, but I suspect they were actually tactical in nature. 

    I wasn’t a fan. 

    In any case, Melania is old-school, doesn’t try to be a co-prez, doesn’t try to be a celebrity. 

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    • April 11, 2019 at 9:32 am
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    All of this is just circumstantial evidence of his humanity.

    How about showing us yours, @valiuth. And please stop the Nazi references, indirect or not.

    Fine, Communists ate with their wives too. 

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    • April 11, 2019 at 9:37 am
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Animals eat all the time together. Nazis had dinner with their wives too. All of this is just circumstantial evidence of his humanity.

    Stina (View Comment):

    If we ever had solid reporters again, I’d like to see an interview of Melania and DJT on the Stormy Daniel’s affair, because that’s the most recent indiscretion they’ve dug up so far.

    I think Melania knew about it. I think she forgave him (she appears to take her catholic faith seriously, considering her rather counter-cultural christmas decor). I think he was humbled by that. I think he paid stormy to keep her mouth shut out of respect to his wife and its publicity, not to keep it a secret from her.

    Or she signed a prenuptial agreement and if they divorce she gets no money, and being a fancier prostitute that Stormy she is sticking with her disgusting John, cause that is how she gets paid. Sunk costs and all.

     

    I hope that was a bad attempt at humor.

    Or an uncanny description of reality. 

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    • April 11, 2019 at 9:38 am
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    Or she signed a prenuptial agreement and if they divorce she gets no money, and being a fancier prostitute that Stormy she is sticking with her disgusting John, cause that is how she gets paid. Sunk costs and all.

    Your pessimism is refreshing…

    Said no one, ever.

    That theory is quashed by the actual relationship that exists. Usually, Trump was on to his next wife by now. There has to be a reason he hasn’t. Viagra is too prevalent for age to be the issue. I mean, florida retirees at one point had the highest rate of STD transmission! Obviously age doesn’t need to be a factor.

    But libido does decline with years (ED or no), or maybe his state of mental degeneration is just keeping him from moving on. Of course now that he is President maybe political considerations are also a factor. Will one of his usually messy divorces really help him win in 2020? 

    I just try to picture the most cynical and disgusting possibility and then tell myself its probably worse than I can imagine. 

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    • April 11, 2019 at 9:42 am
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    Valiuth (View Comment):
    I just try to picture the most cynical and disgusting possibility and then tell myself its probably worse than I can imagine. 

    May I suggest you move on, @valiuth. You’re wearing our your welcome.

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    • April 11, 2019 at 9:48 am
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  22. Thatcher

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    All of this is just circumstantial evidence of his humanity.

    How about showing us yours, @valiuth. And please stop the Nazi references, indirect or not.

    Fine, Communists ate with their wives too.

    Actually this is a problem most do not understand. When I was younger my father studied the Nazi during WWII and I did the same for the Japanese. When you start looking into both cultures and get into the day to day lives of the individuals you find they are no different than anybody else. They had the same loves, fears, needs and activities. They just had a different way of viewing others and what was acceptable to do to these others. In many ways this makes them scarier in that the WWII Japanese and Germans were not monsters or inhuman. They were very much human just with a different point of view. The one thing me and Dad were trying to figure out was why were they the way they were at that time and why did it or could it not happen here. Our conclusion is that it could happen anywhere in the right circumstances. Even here.

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    Susan Quinn Post author

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    All of this is just circumstantial evidence of his humanity.

    How about showing us yours, @valiuth. And please stop the Nazi references, indirect or not.

    Fine, Communists ate with their wives too.

    Actually this is a problem most do not understand. When I was younger my father studied the Nazi during WWII and I did the same for the Japanese. When you start looking into both cultures and get into the day to day lives of the individuals you find they are no different than anybody else. They had the same loves, fears, needs and activities. They just had a different way of viewing others and what was acceptable to do to these others. In many ways this makes them scarier in that the WWII Japanese and Germans were not monsters or inhuman. They were very much human just with a different point of view. The one thing me and Dad were trying to figure out was why were they the way they were at that time and why did it or could it not happen here. Our conclusion is that it could happen anywhere in the right circumstances. Even here.

    A thoughtful comment, @fakejohnjanegalt. That’s why it’s so important to focus on real dangers (such as anti-Semitism) and not invent false ones (as the Dems like to do). I think that the culture and what it will tolerate has a significant impact on the actions of the population. The Japanese and Germans are very different from us in some ways, as I bolded in your comment above. Thanks.

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    • April 11, 2019 at 10:11 am
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  24. Coolidge
    TBA

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    All of this is just circumstantial evidence of his humanity.

    How about showing us yours, @valiuth. And please stop the Nazi references, indirect or not.

    Fine, Communists ate with their wives too.

    Actually this is a problem most do not understand. When I was younger my father studied the Nazi during WWII and I did the same for the Japanese. When you start looking into both cultures and get into the day to day lives of the individuals you find they are no different than anybody else. They had the same loves, fears, needs and activities. They just had a different way of viewing others and what was acceptable to do to these others. In many ways this makes them scarier in that the WWII Japanese and Germans were not monsters or inhuman. They were very much human just with a different point of view. The one thing me and Dad were trying to figure out was why were they the way they were at that time and why did it or could it not happen here. Our conclusion is that it could happen anywhere in the right circumstances. Even here.

    A thoughtful comment, @fakejohnjanegalt. That’s why it’s so important to focus on real dangers (such as anti-Semitism) and not invent false ones (as the Dems like to do). I think that the culture and what it will tolerate has a significant impact on the actions of the population. The Japanese and Germans are very different from us in some ways, as I bolded in your comment above. Thanks.

    There is a difference, I desperately hope enough of a difference, between believing that your ways are superior and believing that your people are superior. 

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    • April 11, 2019 at 10:15 am
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    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    All of this is just circumstantial evidence of his humanity.

    How about showing us yours, @valiuth. And please stop the Nazi references, indirect or not.

    Fine, Communists ate with their wives too. 

    I think one of our posters is about 14 years old; mentally, at least.

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    • April 11, 2019 at 10:28 am
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    Valiuth (View Comment):

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    Valiuth (View Comment):
    Or she signed a prenuptial agreement and if they divorce she gets no money, and being a fancier prostitute that Stormy she is sticking with her disgusting John, cause that is how she gets paid. Sunk costs and all.

    Your pessimism is refreshing…

    Said no one, ever.

    That theory is quashed by the actual relationship that exists. Usually, Trump was on to his next wife by now. There has to be a reason he hasn’t. Viagra is too prevalent for age to be the issue. I mean, florida retirees at one point had the highest rate of STD transmission! Obviously age doesn’t need to be a factor.

    But libido does decline with years (ED or no), or maybe his state of mental degeneration is just keeping him from moving on. Of course now that he is President maybe political considerations are also a factor. Will one of his usually messy divorces really help him win in 2020?

    I just try to picture the most cynical and disgusting possibility and then tell myself its probably worse than I can imagine.

    Even Henry VIII stopped throwing wives away eventually. Maybe Melania is simply the President’s Catherine Parr?

    [ Misthiocracy runs to Wikipedia… ]

    Parr married Henry when he was 52 years old, and Melania married Donald when he was 59 years old, so the math sorta checks out.

    On the other hand, Henry died three years later and the President is still going strong at the age of 72, so it’s not a perfect correlation.

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  27. Coolidge
    TBA

    Misthiocracy secretly (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

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    Valiuth (View Comment):
    Or she signed a prenuptial agreement and if they divorce she gets no money, and being a fancier prostitute that Stormy she is sticking with her disgusting John, cause that is how she gets paid. Sunk costs and all.

    Your pessimism is refreshing…

    Said no one, ever.

    That theory is quashed by the actual relationship that exists. Usually, Trump was on to his next wife by now. There has to be a reason he hasn’t. Viagra is too prevalent for age to be the issue. I mean, florida retirees at one point had the highest rate of STD transmission! Obviously age doesn’t need to be a factor.

    But libido does decline with years (ED or no), or maybe his state of mental degeneration is just keeping him from moving on. Of course now that he is President maybe political considerations are also a factor. Will one of his usually messy divorces really help him win in 2020?

    I just try to picture the most cynical and disgusting possibility and then tell myself its probably worse than I can imagine.

    Even Henry VIII stopped throwing wives away eventually. Maybe Melania is simply the President’s Catherine Parr?

    [ Misthiocracy runs to Wikipedia… ]

    Parr married Henry when he was 52 years old, and Melania married Donald when he was 59 years old, so the math sorta checks out.

    And really, who among us hasn’t killed off or thrown over a handful of wives before finding The One? 

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    • April 11, 2019 at 11:00 am
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    All of this is just circumstantial evidence of his humanity.

    How about showing us yours, @valiuth. And please stop the Nazi references, indirect or not.

    Fine, Communists ate with their wives too.

    Actually this is a problem most do not understand. When I was younger my father studied the Nazi during WWII and I did the same for the Japanese. When you start looking into both cultures and get into the day to day lives of the individuals you find they are no different than anybody else. They had the same loves, fears, needs and activities. They just had a different way of viewing others and what was acceptable to do to these others. In many ways this makes them scarier in that the WWII Japanese and Germans were not monsters or inhuman. They were very much human just with a different point of view. The one thing me and Dad were trying to figure out was why were they the way they were at that time and why did it or could it not happen here. Our conclusion is that it could happen anywhere in the right circumstances. Even here.

    One might also take this as counter-evidence to the claim that Japanese culture is so different from Western culture that Japan’s population will somehow tolerate without complaint the economic effects of their ongoing demographic collapse.

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    • April 11, 2019 at 11:07 am
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy secretly (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

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    Valiuth (View Comment):
    Or she signed a prenuptial agreement and if they divorce she gets no money, and being a fancier prostitute that Stormy she is sticking with her disgusting John, cause that is how she gets paid. Sunk costs and all.

    Your pessimism is refreshing…

    Said no one, ever.

    That theory is quashed by the actual relationship that exists. Usually, Trump was on to his next wife by now. There has to be a reason he hasn’t. Viagra is too prevalent for age to be the issue. I mean, florida retirees at one point had the highest rate of STD transmission! Obviously age doesn’t need to be a factor.

    But libido does decline with years (ED or no), or maybe his state of mental degeneration is just keeping him from moving on. Of course now that he is President maybe political considerations are also a factor. Will one of his usually messy divorces really help him win in 2020?

    I just try to picture the most cynical and disgusting possibility and then tell myself its probably worse than I can imagine.

    Even Henry VIII stopped throwing wives away eventually. Maybe Melania is simply the President’s Catherine Parr?

    [ Misthiocracy runs to Wikipedia… ]

    Parr married Henry when he was 52 years old, and Melania married Donald when he was 59 years old, so the math sorta checks out.

    And really, who among us hasn’t killed off or thrown over a handful of wives before finding The One?

    If you’re comparing yourself to both Henry VIII and Donald Trump, you party in higher circles than I.

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    • April 11, 2019 at 11:29 am
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy secretly (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

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    Valiuth (View Comment):
    Or she signed a prenuptial agreement and if they divorce she gets no money, and being a fancier prostitute that Stormy she is sticking with her disgusting John, cause that is how she gets paid. Sunk costs and all.

    Your pessimism is refreshing…

    Said no one, ever.

    That theory is quashed by the actual relationship that exists. Usually, Trump was on to his next wife by now. There has to be a reason he hasn’t. Viagra is too prevalent for age to be the issue. I mean, florida retirees at one point had the highest rate of STD transmission! Obviously age doesn’t need to be a factor.

    But libido does decline with years (ED or no), or maybe his state of mental degeneration is just keeping him from moving on. Of course now that he is President maybe political considerations are also a factor. Will one of his usually messy divorces really help him win in 2020?

    I just try to picture the most cynical and disgusting possibility and then tell myself its probably worse than I can imagine.

    Even Henry VIII stopped throwing wives away eventually. Maybe Melania is simply the President’s Catherine Parr?

    [ Misthiocracy runs to Wikipedia… ]

    Parr married Henry when he was 52 years old, and Melania married Donald when he was 59 years old, so the math sorta checks out.

    And really, who among us hasn’t killed off or thrown over a handful of wives before finding The One?

    If only divorce weren’t a sin, right? 

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    • April 11, 2019 at 12:17 pm
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