“These Bills Don’t Do Nothing for the Black Community”

 

The above was posted to the Armed Polite Society by a Minnesota human rights advocate. Reverend Christopher is fed up with the usual gun control “solutions,” and wants a real solution that will keep “the thugs, the boneheads,” and teen-aged delinquents from having guns. And he’ll keep his AK, thank you.

I think my favorite line is this one:

I see somebody walking around here right now that says ‘Unarmed, Unafraid.’ I would like for them people to come and stand in my parking lot in my church on a Sunday, and protect us as we walk across Lindell.

This isn’t the first bit of powerful, pro-self-defense testimony to emerge from city councils, and other meetings across the country. It’s certainly not the first to come from those that don’t match Michael Moore’s caricature of gun owners. Let’s hope more Americans begin to understand the Second Amendment is there for all of us, and that they speak out in defense of our natural rights.

Caveat: While I don’t want it to overshadow what Christopher said, I have to say that as a Christian, it saddens me that a clergyman (or any Christian) would use the phrase, “give a damn,” and use it repeatedly. That’s regrettable. Nonetheless, the point he makes is an important one.

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  1. OldDanRhody Member
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    Joshua Bissey: Caveat: While I don’t want it to overshadow what Christopher said, I have to say that as a Christian, it saddens me that a clergyman (or any Christian) would use the phrase, “give a damn,” and use it repeatedly. That’s regrettable. Nonetheless, the point he makes is an important one.

    I think it was the right phrase to use in that situation – a little bit of a shock to make the posturing politicians listen to what he had to say.
    Martin Luther wasn’t averse to strong language.

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  2. Ralphie Inactive
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    OldDanRhody (View Comment):
    Martin Luther wasn’t averse to strong language.

    Right.  Steven Pinker said a while back that swearing just for its own sake is not powerful, but there are times it is appropriate.

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  3. Ralphie Inactive
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    This reminds me of the book “Ghettoside”. I found it fascinating in describing the situation in LA of high poverty area gun violence. There are aspects of life that if you don’t live them, you don’t imagine or understand. The book’s main story is the murder of a well respected black detective’s teenage son in LA.  It was a very senseless murder, but in telling the story, you learn that most of the guns are old, traded numerous times, and many of the hoods have nicknames and detectives have to do a lot of work to get an arrest, let alone a conviction. Witnesses are difficult to find and keep; the idea of retaliation is real.  Witness relocation is difficult when what many do for a living is illegal. The number of cases overwhelm the number of detectives. And the community blames the police.  

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  4. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Joshua Bissey: I see somebody walking around here right now that says ‘Unarmed, Unafraid.’ I would like for them people to come and stand in my parking lot in my church on a Sunday, and protect us as we walk across Lindell.

    Bet I can make them afraid to be unarmed.

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  5. Joshua Bissey Inactive
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Joshua Bissey: I see somebody walking around here right now that says ‘Unarmed, Unafraid.’ I would like for them people to come and stand in my parking lot in my church on a Sunday, and protect us as we walk across Lindell.

    Bet I can make them afraid to be unarmed.

    That’s a pretty stark contrast between an argument that says, “My people are getting shot,” vs an argument that says, “I’m not afraid. What’s your problem?”

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  6. Full Size Tabby Member
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    Joshua Bissey (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Joshua Bissey: I see somebody walking around here right now that says ‘Unarmed, Unafraid.’ I would like for them people to come and stand in my parking lot in my church on a Sunday, and protect us as we walk across Lindell.

    Bet I can make them afraid to be unarmed.

    That’s a pretty stark contrast between an argument that says, “My people are getting shot,” vs an argument that says, “I’m not afraid. What’s your problem?”

    I read the comment by @fakejohnjanegalt as making fun of the people who say they are unarmed and unafraid. Those people are telling the pastor that since they are unarmed and unafraid, the pastor and his parishioners should be unafraid despite being unarmed. @fakejohnjanegalt suggests making the “Unarmed / Unafraid” people afraid.

    The people who brag that they are unarmed and unafraid (lecturing those like the pastor’s parishioners that they also should be unarmed and unafraid) are 1) idiots or ignorant, or 2) relying on a nearby and armed police presence, or 3) living in a community in which social pressure makes gun violence essentially nonexistent.

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  7. Joshua Bissey Inactive
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):
    I read the comment by @fakejohnjanegalt as making fun of the people who say they are unarmed and unafraid.

    That’s how I read it as well. I was contrasting the nature of the “Unarmed, Unafraid” argument with what Christopher had to say.

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  8. RufusRJones Member
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    I live about 5 miles from that area. Those two gun grabber organizations that he mentioned are worthless. You just cannot believe how stupid they are. North Minneapolis has gotten shafted for decades. Every time they do something to supposedly help them it ends up in corruption.

    No one is going to do anything to help those guys, but I do know that they are really worried about Bloomberg making a lot of progress in the next two years. Going grabbing doesn’t make anything better.

    For those that are interested, this is a great podcast that focuses on Minnesota gun policy

    http://www.mngunreport.com

    Very sharp people.

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  9. The Reticulator Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    I live about 5 miles from that area.

    Then perhaps you know what he means when he says “walk across Lindell.”  Where is that?  Is there a street named Lindell?  

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  10. The Reticulator Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    I live about 5 miles from that area.

    Then perhaps you know what he means when he says “walk across Lindell.” Where is that? Is there a street named Lindell?

    Ah. Maybe he means Lyndale.

    (I had a part-time job in an industrial area on North 2nd Street for a couple of my college years.)

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  11. Joshua Bissey Inactive
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    I live about 5 miles from that area.

    Then perhaps you know what he means when he says “walk across Lindell.” Where is that? Is there a street named Lindell?

    I’ve never been there, but through the magic of the internet, I found a Lyndale Avenue in Minneapolis. I think that’s what he’s talking about.

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  12. RufusRJones Member
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    The Minnesota Democratic Party blew millions and millions on supposed Community development for that area. Of course a bunch of it got stolen and people were thrown in jail and nothing improved. We have plenty of wealth and in progressive power in the state and it’s one of the worst states for black people. It’s absolutely unbelievable. Number 50 in the education gap every single year. Sometimes it goes up to 40, but then it always goes back. I heard somewhere that even though Mississippi is the worst place you can live statistically for various metrics, Black people are actually better off there. That’s how bad it is in Minnesota.

    They would be better off if the government just gave them money to resettle in an area with actual opportunity and a decent education system. By that I mean give them a check and help them move to an area they pick it out, including out of state. The reason I say that is, the next thing is they’re shoving low income housing down the throats of the suburbs like it’s some leftist Sims game. It’s not going to work and it’s going to piss a ton of people off.

    But let’s not miss the point of that guy’s speech. New gun grabber laws shouldn’t be a priority. It doesn’t make any sense at all.

    The Minnesota Democrat party can’t fix North Minneapolis, and there is not a single Democrat in Minnesota that can say anything cogent about gun policy. That is just a fact. I am not exaggerating.

    ***edit***

    them for him

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  13. RufusRJones Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    education gap

    This is actually called the “achievement gap”, but education gap actually describes what it means. 

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  14. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
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    Part of the problem that the Reverend was mentioning is that the city council can come up with lots of laws to confiscate guns from the honest, legal gunowners like him. What they can’t do is come up with a law that will seek out and find the illegally owned guns. Back in the late 1980s I taught in Seattle’s Juvenile Hall. My students were kids who had been in special education programs in the public schools and had to be served by a special education teacher while in detention. Everyone of the more than 200 kids I dealt with during the year I taught there had at least one gun charge on his record, and they were about 25% of the kids in detention that year. When I left there at the end of the year, I went to the County Sheriff’s office and got a concealed carry permit, the first I had ever had. What occurred to me was that the city of Seattle was a lot more dangerous place than I had fully understood. However, the most dangerous place in which I would spend my time, my school building, was the one place I could not be armed. Even our community service officer was not allowed to wear his sidearm in the building. However, numerous guns were found and confiscated in public school buildings around the city that had been in the hands of students. The facts are that if they made ownership of firearms illegal, the only guns that would be turned in would be the ones legally owned, and the streets would remain filled with illegal arms in the hands of people who could never have possessed them legally. I am not sure how you could possibly go about collecting all of those illegal firearms. All you can do is be personally prepared to deal with someone who is intending to hurt you with an illegally possessed firearm, because very, very few people who legally own firearms are a danger to anyone else.

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  15. RufusRJones Member
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    That guy was just on fox and friends. He made  exactly my point: the Minnesota Democrat gun grabbers can’t cogently explain anything. It’s always vague, or not to the point, or a deflection, or it’s a straight up Mussolini Big Lie etc. 

     

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