Oh, Those Dems are Just Knee-Slapping Hilarious

 

Two stories caught my eye, today:

First, the Democrats won’t let Fox host any of the Dem primary debates because of close links between Fox and the Republicans. Hmm, on that basis why would the Republicans hold debates anywhere but Fox and, maybe, C-SPAN. All the others are revolving doors between the Obama-Clinton Administrations and the networks.

Second, the House condemnation of anti-semitism, which was apparently to be a slap-back on Ilhan Omar (D–MN), is now going to be a condemnation of any and all derogatory comments about victim groups, including Muslims — the source of the anti-semitism that inspired the original resolution. The Democratic coalition is so fragile that no one can be called out for their conduct personally and since they are a member of an identity group you need to keep their victimhood status intact. But a note to progressive Jews: You are the lowest on the hierarchy of grievances in the Democratic Party. When the lifeboat is too full, you will be the first ones overboard.

Published in General
This post was promoted to the Main Feed by a Ricochet Editor at the recommendation of Ricochet members. Like this post? Want to comment? Join Ricochet’s community of conservatives and be part of the conversation. Join Ricochet for Free.

There are 20 comments.

Become a member to join the conversation. Or sign in if you're already a member.
  1. Misthiocracy secretly Member
    Misthiocracy secretly
    @Misthiocracy

    Rodin: (1) The Democrats won’t let Fox host any of the Dem primary debates because of close links between Fox and the Republicans. Hmm, on that basis why would the Republicans hold debates anywhere but Fox and, maybe, C-SPAN. All the others are revolving doors between the Obama-Clinton Administrations and the networks.

    Sadly, this suggestion cannot be implemented without a Republican primary challenge.

    • #1
  2. Ralphie Inactive
    Ralphie
    @Ralphie

    A lot of Jewish people seem quite gullible. I cannot understand their loyalty to the Democrat party, maybe habit?

    • #2
  3. PHenry Inactive
    PHenry
    @PHenry

    Don’t you know, Fox invented biased reporting?  Before Fox, all the networks only reported the (liberal) truth, nothing but the (liberal) truth, without being sullied by conservative bias. 

    That is why Candy Crowley was such a fair and neutral debate host.  She was untouched by conservative bias. 

    (/sarc)

     

    • #3
  4. Brian Wolf Inactive
    Brian Wolf
    @BrianWolf

    Ralphie (View Comment):

    A lot of Jewish people seem quite gullible. I cannot understand their loyalty to the Democrat party, maybe habit?

    Like many minority groups they don’t like local control.  They like the Federal government because the Feds secure the people’s rights against State majorities and local corruption.  Because they are a minority they don’t feel their social capital goes quite so far as the majority so they like bigger Federal safety nets that require less from the local people.

    I think also in the case of the Jews they like the welfare state a lot because it is a force of stability because the Jews know that when things become unstable the masses tend to turn against them first.  Stability is the way of safety for many Jews.

    By the way I am only trying to explain why I think Jews are drawn to the Democrat party.  I do not endorse the above view as correct it is just what I believe many Jews have supported the Democrats over time.

    In this new era of identity Jews are coming under fire again from the minorities that hate them and seeking to become the new majority.   Identity politics might very well push more and more Jews over to the Conservative side where the mainstream have embraced Jews, Israel and where antisemitism is unthinkable.    In Identity language this means that Jews are now becoming “White”.

    It will take time though a lifetime of voting Democrat won’t change over night.  But it will change if the Democrats stay on this path.

    • #4
  5. Misthiocracy secretly Member
    Misthiocracy secretly
    @Misthiocracy

    Brian Wolf (View Comment):
    Like many minority groups they don’t like local control. They like the Federal government because the Feds secure the people’s rights against State majorities and local corruption. Because they are a minority they don’t feel their social capital goes quite so far as the majority so they like bigger Federal safety nets that require less from the local people.

    This is the best explanation for the phenomenon that I’ve ever read (though admittedly I’m an unscientific sample of one).  

    • #5
  6. Gary McVey Contributor
    Gary McVey
    @GaryMcVey

    Along the same line: Liberals wonder why Christian social conservatives support Trump. “After all”, they’d say “Aren’t you people supposed to put God and morality first?” You know, they’ve got a point…but not as much of a point as they think, because obviously the Christians are not deserting morality, but they are prioritizing.

    Same on the other side. Jews (most of them) support Israel, but it’s not the only thing they vote on. Not every attack on Israeli policy is raw anti-Semitism; plenty of American Jews debate those policies themselves. They are proud social liberals. Jewish teaching on sexual morality is different from that of fundamentalist Christians. Jews who shrug off homosexuality aren’t “bad Jews”; they are following their religion. Jews are obliged to support the poor, and tend to be more accepting of social policies. Until the Republicans are ready to scrap social conservatism, Jews will not join in serious numbers. 

    • #6
  7. Ian M Inactive
    Ian M
    @IanMullican

    Misthiocracy secretly (View Comment):

    Brian Wolf (View Comment):
    Like many minority groups they don’t like local control. They like the Federal government because the Feds secure the people’s rights against State majorities and local corruption. Because they are a minority they don’t feel their social capital goes quite so far as the majority so they like bigger Federal safety nets that require less from the local people.

    This is the best explanation for the phenomenon that I’ve ever read (though admittedly I’m an unscientific sample of one).

    There was a previous post a couple of months ago that I believe showed data illustrating that secular Jewish people vote Democrat, whereas religious Jewish people vote Republican.  It wasn’t 100% one way and the other, but very distinct.  Someone please correct me if I’m wrong or chime in if you have the data yourself.

    • #7
  8. Ralphie Inactive
    Ralphie
    @Ralphie

    Misthiocracy secretly (View Comment):

    Brian Wolf (View Comment):
    Like many minority groups they don’t like local control. They like the Federal government because the Feds secure the people’s rights against State majorities and local corruption. Because they are a minority they don’t feel their social capital goes quite so far as the majority so they like bigger Federal safety nets that require less from the local people.

    This is the best explanation for the phenomenon that I’ve ever read (though admittedly I’m an unscientific sample of one).

    I agree, makes sense to me.

    • #8
  9. Gary McVey Contributor
    Gary McVey
    @GaryMcVey

    Ian M (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy secretly (View Comment):

    Brian Wolf (View Comment):
    Like many minority groups they don’t like local control. They like the Federal government because the Feds secure the people’s rights against State majorities and local corruption. Because they are a minority they don’t feel their social capital goes quite so far as the majority so they like bigger Federal safety nets that require less from the local people.

    This is the best explanation for the phenomenon that I’ve ever read (though admittedly I’m an unscientific sample of one).

    There was a previous post a couple of months ago that I believe showed data illustrating that secular Jewish people vote Democrat, whereas religious Jewish people vote Republican. It wasn’t 100% one way and the other, but very distinct. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong or chime in if you have the data yourself.

    Religious Jewish people don’t vote Republican; the GOP has maybe 20% of that vote, or 30% in an exceptionally good year. On the right we like the illusion that the “real” Jews vote our way. Tain’t true. 

    • #9
  10. cdor Member
    cdor
    @cdor

    Rodin: Hmm, on that basis why would the Republicans hold debates anywhere but Fox and, maybe, C-SPAN.

    We all know the answer to that excellent question…STUPID PARTY!

    • #10
  11. cdor Member
    cdor
    @cdor

    Misthiocracy secretly (View Comment):
    Like many minority groups they don’t like local control.

    Misthiocracy secretly (View Comment):

    Brian Wolf (View Comment):
    Like many minority groups they don’t like local control. They like the Federal government because the Feds secure the people’s rights against State majorities and local corruption. Because they are a minority they don’t feel their social capital goes quite so far as the majority so they like bigger Federal safety nets that require less from the local people.

    This is the best explanation for the phenomenon that I’ve ever read (though admittedly I’m an unscientific sample of one).

    So Jews don’t like local control…they prefer National Socialism?

    • #11
  12. Franco Member
    Franco
    @Franco

    cdor (View Comment):

    Rodin: Hmm, on that basis why would the Republicans hold debates anywhere but Fox and, maybe, C-SPAN.

    We all know the answer to that excellent question…STUPID PARTY!

    Then the MSM will really go after them like they do with Trump.

    But they would be smart to block say, two offending networks ( hard to quantify- I admit)

    and place restrictions on who can moderate.

    They can start with disallowing  any moderator who has ever worked for an elected Democrat. That would eliminate some of the worst right there….

    And maybe “stupid party” is being too kind. Maybe “sellout party” is closer to the truth?

    • #12
  13. Virtuous Heathen Inactive
    Virtuous Heathen
    @heathen

    Rodin:

    (1) The Democrats won’t let Fox host any of the Dem primary debates because of close links between Fox and the Republicans. Hmm, on that basis why would the Republicans hold debates anywhere but Fox and, maybe, C-SPAN. All the others are revolving doors between the Obama-Clinton Administrations and the networks.

    A couple thoughts on this one.

    First, I doubt too many democrat primary voters are interested in watching a debate on Fox. This wont hurt them–and could help them in many respects–even just as one less debate the candidates have to work into their schedule. Of course the bigger advantage is controlling the atmosphere, questions, and the leverage for their preferred candidate. I wouldn’t be against the GOP taking some steps to shepherd the process & narrow the field on our terms–not necessarily these steps, but they are within reason to exercise such control.

    However, this may handicap them in the long run when the candidate they softballed to the nomination has to debate in front of a wider audience–or explain things they said to a more selective one.

     

    • #13
  14. Richard Easton Coolidge
    Richard Easton
    @RichardEaston

    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    Ian M (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy secretly (View Comment):

    Brian Wolf (View Comment):
    Like many minority groups they don’t like local control. They like the Federal government because the Feds secure the people’s rights against State majorities and local corruption. Because they are a minority they don’t feel their social capital goes quite so far as the majority so they like bigger Federal safety nets that require less from the local people.

    This is the best explanation for the phenomenon that I’ve ever read (though admittedly I’m an unscientific sample of one).

    There was a previous post a couple of months ago that I believe showed data illustrating that secular Jewish people vote Democrat, whereas religious Jewish people vote Republican. It wasn’t 100% one way and the other, but very distinct. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong or chime in if you have the data yourself.

    Religious Jewish people don’t vote Republican; the GOP has maybe 20% of that vote, or 30% in an exceptionally good year. On the right we like the illusion that the “real” Jews vote our way. Tain’t true.

    Perhaps we should rephrase it to Orthodox Jews are much more supportive of the GOP.  And they have larger families so if the next generation remains Orthodox, the Jewish vote will shift towards the GOP.  It may not reach 50% anytime soon, but it will be more R and less D.

    • #14
  15. Gary McVey Contributor
    Gary McVey
    @GaryMcVey

    The Orthodox are a small minority in American Judaism. They support a small number of conservative issues, but are strongly opposed to others. It would take a very long time to make a difference, and don’t forget, even they don’t see eye to eye with many GOP goals. 

    • #15
  16. Richard Easton Coolidge
    Richard Easton
    @RichardEaston

    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    The Orthodox are a small minority in American Judaism. They support a small number of conservative issues, but are strongly opposed to others. It would take a very long time to make a difference, and don’t forget, even they don’t see eye to eye with many GOP goals.

    An of course the American Jews tend to reside in deep blue states.  It amazes me how few seem to be concerned about Muslim immigration.

    • #16
  17. Buckpasser Member
    Buckpasser
    @Buckpasser

    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    Along the same line: Liberals wonder why Christian social conservatives support Trump. “After all”, they’d say “Aren’t you people supposed to put God and morality first?” You know, they’ve got a point…but not as much of a point as they think, because obviously the Christians are not deserting morality, but they are prioritizing.

    Same on the other side. Jews (most of them) support Israel, but it’s not the only thing they vote on. Not every attack on Israeli policy is raw anti-Semitism; plenty of American Jews debate those policies themselves. They are proud social liberals. Jewish teaching on sexual morality is different from that of fundamentalist Christians. Jews who shrug off homosexuality aren’t “bad Jews”; they are following their religion. Jews are obliged to support the poor, and tend to be more accepting of social policies. Until the Republicans are ready to scrap social conservatism, Jews will not join in serious numbers.

    Gary,

    I hope we don’t get to the point where we (I’m a Christian that votes Republican) have to scrap our faith in order to open the tent to them.  I pray that there will be a time where the majority of Jews and the majority of Christians can coexist on a political level as well as an ecumenical level.

    • #17
  18. Gary McVey Contributor
    Gary McVey
    @GaryMcVey

    Buckpasser (View Comment):

    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    Along the same line: Liberals wonder why Christian social conservatives support Trump. “After all”, they’d say “Aren’t you people supposed to put God and morality first?” You know, they’ve got a point…but not as much of a point as they think, because obviously the Christians are not deserting morality, but they are prioritizing.

    Same on the other side. Jews (most of them) support Israel, but it’s not the only thing they vote on. Not every attack on Israeli policy is raw anti-Semitism; plenty of American Jews debate those policies themselves. They are proud social liberals. Jewish teaching on sexual morality is different from that of fundamentalist Christians. Jews who shrug off homosexuality aren’t “bad Jews”; they are following their religion. Jews are obliged to support the poor, and tend to be more accepting of social policies. Until the Republicans are ready to scrap social conservatism, Jews will not join in serious numbers.

    Gary,

    I hope we don’t get to the point where we (I’m a Christian that votes Republican) have to scrap our faith in order to open the tent to them. I pray that there will be a time where the majority of Jews and the majority of Christians can coexist on a political level as well as an ecumenical level.

    Buck, nobody expects you to scrap one bit of your faith or your stance on social issues. What I was saying is they aren’t going to either. Neither would be a reasonable hope. For the foreseeable future, it means that as long as social issues are prominent in politics–everything from abortion to same sex marriage to welfare to labor unions–there will be no widespread move of Jewish people into the GOP. That’s not unfair. After all, as long as the Dems continue to have the positions that they hold on everything from abortion to same sex marriage to welfare to labor unions, few conservative Christians are going to break ranks to join them either. 

    • #18
  19. Richard Easton Coolidge
    Richard Easton
    @RichardEaston

    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    Buckpasser (View Comment):

    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    Along the same line: Liberals wonder why Christian social conservatives support Trump. “After all”, they’d say “Aren’t you people supposed to put God and morality first?” You know, they’ve got a point…but not as much of a point as they think, because obviously the Christians are not deserting morality, but they are prioritizing.

    Same on the other side. Jews (most of them) support Israel, but it’s not the only thing they vote on. Not every attack on Israeli policy is raw anti-Semitism; plenty of American Jews debate those policies themselves. They are proud social liberals. Jewish teaching on sexual morality is different from that of fundamentalist Christians. Jews who shrug off homosexuality aren’t “bad Jews”; they are following their religion. Jews are obliged to support the poor, and tend to be more accepting of social policies. Until the Republicans are ready to scrap social conservatism, Jews will not join in serious numbers.

    Gary,

    I hope we don’t get to the point where we (I’m a Christian that votes Republican) have to scrap our faith in order to open the tent to them. I pray that there will be a time where the majority of Jews and the majority of Christians can coexist on a political level as well as an ecumenical level.

    Buck, nobody expects you to scrap one bit of your faith or your stance on social issues. What I was saying is they aren’t going to either. Neither would be a reasonable hope. For the foreseeable future, it means that as long as social issues are prominent in politics–everything from abortion to same sex marriage to welfare to labor unions–there will be no widespread move of Jewish people into the GOP. That’s not unfair. After all, as long as the Dems continue to have the positions that they hold on everything from abortion to same sex marriage to welfare to labor unions, few conservative Christians are going to break ranks to join them either.

    The hope is many of our liberal Jewish friends will realize that Christians in the U.S. are generally not threats to them.  The threats come from radical Muslims and their leftist allies.  As I said to Milt and Marjorie Rosenberg, 70 years ago the Right was afflicted by antisemitism.  Now it’s found mainly on the Left.

    • #19
  20. Gary McVey Contributor
    Gary McVey
    @GaryMcVey

    Richard, be of good cheer. Fortunately, I don’t think Jews vote Democrat because they fear Christians. Neither hate-filled Muslims nor hate-filled Christians–like the diseased scum that shot up a congregation in Cleveland last year–are the reasons why Jewish people choose a political side. They vote like the rest of us do, on a range of issues. They agree with Democrats more often than they agree with us. 

    Just taking the Christian community, or communities, aside from theological differences Protestants and Catholics differ in significant ways politically, although both are largely conservative. Most Catholics are much “softer” on social justice issues and always have been; they are also much more likely to approve of labor unions. Protestants are more pro-capitalist, more invested in individual self-reliance. These are not insuperable cultural obstacles, and the differences between Christians and Jews aren’t either. 

    • #20
Become a member to join the conversation. Or sign in if you're already a member.