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  1. Valiuth Inactive
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    Gentlemen our path is clear. This shut down must not end, for it keeps the scourge of the State of the Union speech at bay. Shut Down Forever!

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  2. Skyler Coolidge
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    @Skyler

    Maybe there will never be a state of the union show!  I think it would be awesome to keep the government shut down, just to see how we can cope without them.  I wonder how much that would save our budget for a few years.  

    All we need is a blanket court ruling that says that anyone needing “permission” from an agency has it granted tacitly if Congress isn’t funding them.  Think of the economic expansion possible if government is out of the way!

    Sigh, I can dream.

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  3. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Gentlemen our path is clear. This shut down must not end, for it keeps the scourge of the State of the Union speech at bay. Shut Down Forever!

    Lol 

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  4. Columbo Member
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  5. Valiuth Inactive
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    Joking aside, isn’t he just capitulating to Pelosi here? So is it wining?

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  6. Manny Coolidge
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    Donald trump has to be the most wussiest of presidents ever.  KIDDING!  :-P  But he could have been firmer here.  I would have loved to have seen him give the SOTU at a football stadium in Texas with a rally type atmosphere and everyone wearing red MAGA hats.  And in the backdrop he could have had seats for Pence and Pelosi.  

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  7. Columbo Member
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    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Joking aside, isn’t he just capitulating to Pelosi here? So is it wining?

    And now …. introducing! … in the red trunks, weighing 115 pounds, hailing from the leftist enclave of San Francisco, CAL-EE-FORN-I-A, 78-year old, frozen smile and eyebrows and brain damaged from decades of her botox use … please welcome Nancy Pelosi!

    And … in the other corner wearing the red, white and blue trunks … coming in at a fit 225 pounds, originally from New York City, the Master of Disaster … the Artist of the Rope A Dope … the reigning world champion and President of the United States of America … let’s have a loud roar of applause for Donald J. Truuuuuuuuuuuuump!!!

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  8. Brian Wyneken Member
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    Manny (View Comment):

    Donald trump has to be the most wussiest of presidents ever. KIDDING! :-P But he could have been firmer here. I would have loved to have seen him give the SOTU at a football stadium in Texas with a rally type atmosphere and everyone wearing red MAGA hats. And in the backdrop he could have had seats for Pence and Pelosi.

    I kind of had the same sentiments, but I think this is a good decision. He is being “reasonable” as the speech/spectacle can wait. The SOTU address can be pretty tedious, but it’s become a tradition and to the extent that this President is willing to go along with tradition I think that should deflect a little bit of the persistent criticism from the style oriented pundits.

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  9. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    I am not sure this is not a loss

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  10. Hang On Member
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    By not giving a state of the union address, the Dems will probably include it as one of the counts for impeachment.

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  11. Stad Coolidge
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    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Gentlemen our path is clear. This shut down must not end, for it keeps the scourge of the State of the Union speech at bay. Shut Down Forever!

    I have to agree.  The SOTU address is about as exciting to watch as a zero-zero baseball game headed into extra innings.  However, the SOTU is a requirement, so Trump could go back to the more traditional approach by submitting a written report to Congress . . .

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  12. Manny Coolidge
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    Brian Wyneken (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    Donald trump has to be the most wussiest of presidents ever. KIDDING! :-P But he could have been firmer here. I would have loved to have seen him give the SOTU at a football stadium in Texas with a rally type atmosphere and everyone wearing red MAGA hats. And in the backdrop he could have had seats for Pence and Pelosi.

    I kind of had the same sentiments, but I think this is a good decision. He is being “reasonable” as the speech/spectacle can wait. The SOTU address can be pretty tedious, but it’s become a tradition and to the extent that this President is willing to go along with tradition I think that should deflect a little bit of the persistent criticism from the style oriented pundits.

    I agree.  That was just a wish.  ;)

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  13. Eridemus Coolidge
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    Well, in a way the reaction has seemed kind of subdued. But there could be a reason: according to the left, Trump has no respect for decorum, refinement etc. so the rowdy alternatives would have played into that narrative. This shows him able to respect traditions (most people won’t check into fine legal points), which could mean the left could lose more ground if they just look like they don’t want Americans to hear from the President (denial of legitimacy again?). But of course he did cancel the air flight and anyway part of the opposition (the press) doesn’t hold itself to any standards so who can guess the fallout? Probably along the usual entrenched division lines.

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  14. Valiuth Inactive
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I am not sure this is not a loss

    By what criteria can we judge this outcome objectively? Polling being done today says that Trump is losing this thing. More people blame him for the shutdown, Republicans support for him is less solid than Democrat support of Pelosi, and his approval ratting is dropping while his disapproval rating is also climbing (I think this holds true in all polls so the trend is there even if we can quibble about where  things specifically stand). Trump hasn’t held any ground in this whole fight, and Pelosi has just pushed him off of giving a large public address that by historical norms he is entitled to give and arguably constitutionally mandated to give. When  Pelosi first dropped this he retaliated (with minimal effect), now he has basically given into her demand to wait for the shutdown to end before giving the speech. He’s made his offer, which got rejected, but nothing has moved the needle in his direction it seems. I don’t hear talk about  his emergency powers as a solution anymore, so presumably that is off the table (which I think is a good thing personally), but what does he have left to do? 

    I am loath to give Trump advise (lest it help him and make his life easier, I say this as if he listens to me) but if I were him I would pass the buck to the people who are actually responsible for this whole thing which is the congress. Say you will sign any bill they pass, but that you expect Republicans to get you your wall funding. Now it becomes Mitch McConnells job to solve this. IF they pass a budget without wall funding you can make it clear they will pay for it in their primaries. Of course if he really cared about this wall thing he could have moved on it earlier in his presidency. Now he is like a kid trying to get a book report done the night before it is due when he hasn’t read the book. 

     

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  15. Skyler Coolidge
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    Hang On (View Comment):
     

    Donald trump has to be the most wussiest of presidents ever. KIDDING! :-P But he could have been firmer here. I would have loved to have seen him give the SOTU at a football stadium in Texas with a rally type atmosphere and everyone wearing red MAGA hats. And in the backdrop he could have had seats for Pence and Pelosi.

    The Constitution does not require an address.  Just a report.  It doesn’t say how long it has to be.  He merely has to send a report to both houses of Congress saying what’s up with the country.  

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  16. Skyler Coolidge
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    Valiuth (View Comment):
    More people blame him for the shutdown,

    I think you mean they give him credit for the shutdown.  Long may it continue.

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  17. Columbo Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I am not sure this is not a loss

    The ‘game’ is not over. It is in the early or middle innings.

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  18. Valiuth Inactive
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    More people blame him for the shutdown,

    I think you mean they give him credit for the shutdown. Long may it continue.

    In the Dark Age to come I will tell my grandchildren’s children of how I was there when Trump ended Government forever. Shut Down For Ever! 

     

    Still, I just saw a story on Hot Air that Wilbur Ross was on CNBC when asked about the shutdown and employees missing pay checks he said something to the effect of “What’s the problem all they have to do is take out some loans and pay a little interest”. Trump owns this thing, partially because he claimed ownership before it happened on live television and because even here on Ricochet we are willing to give it to him (either in joke or counter cultural rebelion) the effect though is the same. In everyone’s minds it is his, and no good ever comes of a government shut down so all he gets for owning it is the bad. His fans may cheer him on during it, but all the less committed less partisan people out there don’t care if he wins against Pelosi they do care that he is responsible for something they see as bad governance. 

    Me I’m just a political nihilist at this point. So I’m hoping for maximum fun. So #Shutdownforever

     

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  19. Henry Racette Moderator
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    @HenryRacette

    I thought it would have been a hoot to have him send a written report to Congress and deliver a speech to an adoring crowd of hard-core supporters. But I know that was me giving in to my lesser angels; this is a better decision, and I’m glad he made it.

    Normal Americans don’t like drama, and the President has chosen to keep drama to a minimum. Good call.

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  20. Stad Coolidge
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    Valiuth (View Comment):
    Polling being done today says that Trump is losing this thing.

    So what?  Doing the right thing means taking the heat.  Besides, polls are no longer designed to reflect opinion, they’re to sway it . . .

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  21. Stad Coolidge
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I am not sure this is not a loss

    The ‘game’ is not over. It is in the early or middle innings.

    I’d say halftime.  The fight resumes in mid-February . . .

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  22. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    Hey!!!

    Now that the shutdown is (temporarily) over, is NaPo gonna let Trump take the floor of the House for the SOTU?

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  23. Eridemus Coolidge
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    @Eridemus

    She never said a limited shutdown would count. Didn’t think about that beforehand and might wiggle out.

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