Gather ‘Round the Stove

 

A Chicago newspaper illustration prior to the 1913 American League Meetings

If you want to keep the peace then you don’t step on the third rail of American conversation. No, it’s not Donald Trump. It’s not even politics. Or religion.

“So, what do you think (fill in the blank with local baseball team) should do this offseason?”

These wintertime conversations used to take place down at the General Store around the stove (hence the phrase, “The Hot Stove League.”) Sometimes the conversation would get so heated the stove was no longer needed.

Eventually, the conversation moved to talk radio and now has migrated to the internet. Neither move elevated the conversation one bit, nor has the creation of the new “nerd stats” which make everybody and his sister Sally an analytical genius General-Manager-in-Waiting. Now, instead of talking about dingers, and Uncle Charlie, it’s WHIP and WAR, launch angle and exit velocity.

What hasn’t changed is the unreasonable and often contradictory nature of it all. The starting points remain the same. “Well, if I were in charge I’d start by trading for (last year’s Cy Young Winner) for (the worst player on my team) and a bag of batting practice balls. If you were (the targeted player’s team) you’d go for that trade, wouldn’t you?”

Mmmmm, sure. Why not?

Or it’s this one: “Man, that contract of so-and-so’s is a killer! Why did they give him all that money? And he’s always hurt and can’t stay on the field! The idiots!” And five seconds later the same guy says, “Why don’t they offer that player an outrageous sum of money for an outrageous length of time? I’ll tell you why! ‘Cause our ownership is cheap, that’s why! And that GM is an idiot!”

Ohhhhhhhh-kay.

Next are the geniuses who have figured out that time only moves in one direction. “Our guys are getting old. That guy’s bat has slowed down, and that other guy has an aging arm. They should bring up that Paul Bunyan kid. Tore up the Forest League last year. Kid can’t miss, I’m telling you.”

“I heard they were thinking of trading him to the Yankees for pitching.”

“What?! Are they freakin’ nuts?! This kid is gonna be a superstar! He’s the future of this franchise! Idiots!”

Wisdom of the ages? “Potential” is that French word for “ain’t done it yet,” Frank Robinson was not an “old 30,” and in the words of that great baseball savant Doris Day, “The future’s not ours to see, Jackson.”

Of course, the Hot Stovers are blessed in their ignorance. As they argue over transactions they’re only trading numbers on a spreadsheet. They know nothing of the people behind the game — who was struggling because one of their parents was dying, which kid in the minors seems to be universally loathed by his teammates, or who had nagging little injuries that kept them from performing well but it wasn’t bad enough to put them on the DL.

But in these cold days of January, with snow on the diamonds and even spring training games feeling like an eternity away, it keeps the blues at bay. Throw another log on the fire and let’s check Twitter for the latest rumors.

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  1. Manny Coolidge
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    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

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    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    …As they argue over transactions they’re only trading numbers on a spreadsheet. They know nothing of the people behind the game – who was struggling because one of their parents was dying, which kid in the minors seems to be universally loathed by his teammates, or who had nagging little injuries that kept them from performing well but it wasn’t bad enough to put them on the DL.

    Absolutely true. But it’s also gotta be said that we old guys tend to go to the other extreme. “Kid, don’t try to confuse me with numbers. No computer is going to reach down and pull out a win. Like the song says, you gotta have heart. The real greats play through the pain. In the clutch, greatness comes through. Real men call it guts”. Blah blah blah.

    How many times do we hear or read, “Now it’s up to the batters to back up their pitcher”, as if each of them had a switch in his head–“Help our pitcher/win the game” or “Ehh, we have no loyalty to him, so let’s lose”.

     

    I’ve never seen that movie, but I have to now. That’s a great clip and what the nature of baseball has turned to. Of course scouts are still important, but it’s in conjunction with the analytics. And I have to admit, I undervalued the OBP stat.

    I consider it the single most important stat…..but to be fair, they were actually overvaluing it (slugging percentage still matters, and it takes a lot of OBP/slugging skills to overcome being an extreme defensive liability).

    Yes it gets double scoring under OPS.  I’ve always considered slugging percentage to be the best indicator of a hitter’s value.  I still think it’s a more comprehensive indicator than OBP.

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  2. EJHill Podcaster
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    Reds acquired Sonny Gray. 50% of my Twitter feed is estatic, 50% is yelling, “Idiots!”

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  3. Columbo Inactive
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    EJHill (View Comment):

    Reds acquired Sonny Gray. 50% of my Twitter feed is estatic, 50% is yelling, “Idiots!”

    Look out for the 2019 Reds!

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  4. Manny Coolidge
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    EJHill (View Comment):

    Reds acquired Sonny Gray. 50% of my Twitter feed is estatic, 50% is yelling, “Idiots!”

    I was just debating this on the Orioles boards. I don’t understand the Yankees giving up on Grey after only one full season in NY. He pitched to about a 3 ERA on the road and over 6 at home. If he can get used to NY there would be a huge upside. You would think you would give him another year. 

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  5. Hoyacon Member
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    Manny (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):

    Reds acquired Sonny Gray. 50% of my Twitter feed is estatic, 50% is yelling, “Idiots!”

    I was just debating this on the Orioles boards. I don’t understand the Yankees giving up on Grey after only one full season in NY. He pitched to about a 3 ERA on the road and over 6 at home. If he can get used to NY there would be a huge upside. You would think you would give him another year.

    Considering starting pitching is not the Yankees strong suit, I’m assuming they don’t see much in Gray if they let him go.  I remember in his second or third year with the A’s, when he was a hot commodity.  This is a good move for the Reds since he’s not well known in the NL and doesn’t have to face a DH.  See Bronson Arroyo.

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  6. Manny Coolidge
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):

    Reds acquired Sonny Gray. 50% of my Twitter feed is estatic, 50% is yelling, “Idiots!”

    I was just debating this on the Orioles boards. I don’t understand the Yankees giving up on Grey after only one full season in NY. He pitched to about a 3 ERA on the road and over 6 at home. If he can get used to NY there would be a huge upside. You would think you would give him another year.

    Considering starting pitching is not the Yankees strong suit, I’m assuming they don’t see much in Gray if they let him go. I remember in his second or third year with the A’s, when he was a hot commodity. This is a good move for the Reds since he’s not well known in the NL and doesn’t have to face a DH. See Bronson Arroyo.

    I think it’s an excellent move by the Reds.  I don’t know what specific the Yankees see that makes them give up on him.  I don’t see it.

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  7. EJHill Podcaster
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    Tanner for Tanner, Homer for Yasiel, Shed for Sonny. It’s been an interesting name game for Reds this offseason.

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