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I think the ad was improperly attributing masculinity with machismo, a pretend type of manliness often adopted by those without good examples of what real men are like.
If we had proper government services like in a civilized country, we wouldn’t need some unlicensed, uncertified Bubba who hasn’t had sensitivity training to stop by to help.
Can’t tell if serious. Suspect not
I have 4 grandsons, 2 that shave and 2 that don’t, never asked which razor they preferred. However, all of them prefer Under-Armor for winter wear as it is very warm and lasts for years. Nothing to do with fashion. Wal-mart stuff is ready for the trash bin in a year.
Serious. Also sarcastic. Pretty sure that’s a line they will take, though.
How many razors (and other things) are bought by women for their men? Who is the audience – the men who use or wear the product or the women who select the product from the store shelf?
How many of these marketing departments and ad agencies are female dominated?
My guess is that my wife would consider the Gillette ad silly.
Is this modern form of masculinity some sort of community product that is shared amongst those who want or need some? I saw it mostly from an individual perspective and that worked but my time has come and gone.
Living in the country, we have lots of examples. The land around us is slowly transitioning from farmland to 3+ acre lots and new houses. We have lived here for 18 years, so are still part of the “new ones”
One of our friends has a business card with the title “Cattleman”. He is hauling hay every day this time of year for his cattle. A near neighbor has a huge snowplow he can install on his tractor and after big snowstorms, he goes around and plows the drives of the recent homeowners who aren’t prepared.
From my standpoint, the world needs more “good old boys”.
This is a really good point. I just figured most men are like me and pretty particular about their razors. But there’s probably a large number of men who have their wife buy the razors and just use whatever.
Could this be why companies like Gillette are losing their edge to Harry’s Shave, who encourage you to put some German engineering in your medicine cabinet and let her decide what a good job it does? (shameless plug for Harry’s — from the Ricochet Silent Radio announcer voice)
When masculinity is under attack, suspect … metrosexuals … but blame … Crab People!
I only eat the claws and legs.
I think it goes without saying that this ad was aimed at women.
Wonder no more. You don’t want to know. My opposition to animal testing for other than scientific or humanitarian purposes is what brands me as Washington County’s leading animal rights wacko. On a side note, Urban Decay was founded by Sandy Lerner, an extraordinarily bright woman who, while a student at Stanford in the early 1980’s, and with her partner Len Bosack, worked on a project to connect the schools computer systems, and using the knowledge gained, founded a small technology company. They called it Cisco Systems. When it got big enough to have a “Board” and CEO, the Board and CEO bounced Sandy Lerner, whom they found “difficult.” I expect she was. She took her very substantial payout from Cisco and founded Urban Decay. Since then she’s gone on to make her mark in the humane farming and organic foods market, and has contributed millions of dollars to the study of, and preservation of the legacy of, Jane Austen, of whom she is an unregenerate fan. I’ve met her (Sandy, not Jane). A very interesting woman. But, I’m sure, difficult. Very difficult.
She lives fairly close to us and raises heritage livestock. They also have an upscale restaurant and a butchers shop in Middleburg, Va (very tony town).
Yes, I’ve been there. Mr. She and I attended a beekeeping workshop several years ago, and stayed at a Bed and Breakfast just outside Upperville. They were doing tours of the farm, and we took one, which was interesting, and then I guess the timing was right, we toured the house (which she’s done up in Jane Austen Regency style, absolutely stunning), and Sandy Lerner was there. We had a nice chat. She lives (or lived at the time, anyway) in a log cabin on the grounds, and the house itself was given over to the cats. As she pointed out, “I used to be crazy, but now I’m rich, they just call me eccentric.”
It’s lovely country, but I can’t imagine what it costs to live in the area. We ate at the “Hunter’s Head Tavern,” and shopped at the butchers. Lovely. A very memorable weekend all round.
Thinking about Sandy Lerner has made me think about the thesis of this post, since the historical period that captures her interest is the British Regency period–roughly the second decade of the nineteenth century, when George III was sidelined, and his son, the future George IV was, essentially ruling as “Prince Regent” (Battle of Waterloo time frame). It was a time when much attention was paid to appearance by men and women of means, and when the term “dandy” came into its own to describe a man perhaps overly dedicated to, and fussy about, his appearance. At the same time, I’m sure that ordinary men and women had work to do, and probably didn’t bother overly much with such things. Perhaps status, or a state of financial well-being, or having the time to fiddle with one’s appearance has something to do with it, too. Certainly, those of a certain status in the early decades of the nineteenth century, including the men, paid great attention to their appearance and their clothing, and the impression they made on others.
I couldn’t find the address for the Gillette Company. Google only wanted to give me the address for Gillette Stadium. Here is my letter to Procter & Gamble, the owner of Gillette.
The Procter & Gamble Company
1 P&G Plaza
Cincinnati, OH 45202
Re: Gillette Ad
Dear Procter & Gamble:
I have been a faithful customer of Gillette for years. The ad that attacks men and boys is unacceptable. Boys will be boys. To argue to the contrary is stupid. Male mammals are different from female mammals. Period.
I have no more need for my Gillette razor as I bought a Schick razor last night. I am returning my Gillette razor to you.
You should apologize immediately. This is the worst corporate move since the New Coke and the Edsel. I don’t know how you are going to escape this. However, I would be happy to make an example of this so that you and other business never ever do this again.
Very Truly Yours,
GARY E. ROBBINS, P.C.
By: Gary E. Robbins
I’ll give them my jock when they pry it from my cold, dead thighs.
I have wondered: Why would anyone choose to call a cosmetics line (or anything else) “Urban Decay”? It sounds like something that might be done by a Goth nihilist, intending to appeal to other Goth nihilists.
Did Sandy L strike you as a nihilistic sort? Or just a weird sense of humor?
Yet even you can’t avoid an implicit verbal microaggression. ;)
But seriously, the end of my decade as a radical libertarian began with my posting (on CompuServe, which gives you some idea how long ago that was) of a piece I’d written advocating limited animal rights, and with the blowback that precipitated.
Jerminator, I want to applaud you for taking the time to write a thoughtful piece about a truly big subject. The challenge to traditional masculinity, while a small part of the general tearing down of ideas that characterizes modern intellectualism, is itself a multi-faceted thing, and you’ve brought up some interesting aspects of it. Well done.
Oh, she’s a very odd duck. Very, very bright and interesting. But I think a dark sense of humor, and I think she was working against the “pretty in pink” aspect of women’s cosmetics. She’s not big on artifice herself. Her lipsticks and eye shadows had names like “smog,” “rust,” and “acid rain.” Some of them are actually quite attractive, in spite of the names. Have to look up their tag line. It wasn’t “Pink Stinks,” but it was something like that . . . hang on . . . oh, right, “Does pink make you puke?” That was it.
What makes you think I was trying to avoid it?
Good Lord, @henryracette, you’re a geezer. (#MeToo)
I think I’ve posted before that my wife told me that if I got her a pink pistol, she’d use it on me.
The perception is strong with this @jerminator. Nailed it, he has.
You see lots of explanations for the various dichotomies (right/left, male/female, artisan/intellectual, …) but I always come back to this one (with the Sunday afternoon corollaries added): Some of us value things of the world (and of God) and some of us value things of the mind (and the emotions.) To me, that explains the left and right at the level of the individual.
Another way to state the principle is that some of us support ourselves by making or doing some concrete thing and bartering it, and some of us support ourselves by persuading. That obviously translates into your active characterizations of masculine and feminine. It also makes clear that neither the masculine nor feminine paradigm is inherently superior – they are complementary, of course.
I’d like to see the currents evolve such that both the objectively-oriented masculine men and the subjectively-oriented feminine women would see their interests coincide, and that they’d form a unified front against those of the third remunerative strategy: those who live by working the system.
Men? Good. Women? Good. Lawyers? Wait a minute …
I hope this isn’t an indelicate question, but – why pink? Somebody analyze that phenomenon for me. A young girl in (e.g.) yoga pants and a black hoodie with PINK emblazoned across the back brings to mind the porn industry more than Lawrence’s answer to Gainsborough.
Not indelicate at all. She just doesn’t like pink. She thinks defining it as a female color is confining.
Thank you sir.
It really is difficult to unravel all the interrelated issues surrounding stuff like this.
Absolutely. There are a lot of aspects to it.
There are those who see the harm men do and think, sensibly enough, that if only we could persuade men to be better, less harm would be done. And they’re right. There are those who consider the historic legal disadvantages of women, their limited autonomy and legal standing, and think that we should correct that. They’re a little behind the times: we have corrected that. But, as in the case of race, they choose to blame a current disparity with a lingering injustice, and so fight as if the matter is still amenable to legal redress.
And then there are those who dislike the truth — at least, I think it’s the truth — that our national tradition is largely masculine, with a strong emphasis on individualism and self-reliance, on competition, on limited government. I think those people see masculinity as on affront, a hold-over from a more primitive time, and would like to negate all of the things associated with it in favor of a more paternalistic, less competitive culture.
And there are the gadflies, the people who just haven’t thought very hard or lived very much, who think men and women really are the same, if only we’d stop telling them they weren’t. They’re the silly people of the gender-diversity movement, the science deniers, the ones caught up in a fad. They get a lot of the news now, and are sweeping our universities. I hope they grow out of it when they sashay out into the real world.