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  1. Thatcher

    No, No, No, for God’s sake, No!

    The President does not have unilateral authority to build a wall any more than he does to grant amnesty.

    NO!

    • #1
    • January 10, 2019 at 2:25 pm
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  2. Admin

    The 9th Circuit disagree with you.

    • #2
    • January 10, 2019 at 2:26 pm
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  3. Admin

    Thank God the “negotiations” are over. I’ve been extremely frustrated the past few weeks with Republicans negotiating on behalf of Democrats. Ugh! If Democrats want something, let them ask for it. Instead, some Republicans were falling over themselves to give away the kitchen cabinet. (That’s an expression, right?)

    • #3
    • January 10, 2019 at 2:27 pm
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  4. Admin

    Here’s where we’re going if he does this: 

    P.S. He forgot to mention packing the Supreme Court. 

    • #4
    • January 10, 2019 at 2:29 pm
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  5. Inactive

    Lindsey Graham is right. Time for President Trump to take the gloves off.

    • #5
    • January 10, 2019 at 2:53 pm
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  6. Member

    Nooooo! Bad, bad idea.

    • #6
    • January 10, 2019 at 3:03 pm
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Here’s where we’re going if he does this:

    P.S. He forgot to mention packing the Supreme Court.

    You mean if Trump doesn’t do this, the Democrats won’t?

    • #7
    • January 10, 2019 at 3:07 pm
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  8. Thatcher

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Here’s where we’re going if he does this:

    P.S. He forgot to mention packing the Supreme Court.

    You mean if Trump doesn’t do this, the Democrats won’t?

    It means Republicans cannot oppose it if they try.

    • #8
    • January 10, 2019 at 3:09 pm
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  9. Coolidge

    Honestly I’m just tired of this.

    Republicans had two years to build a wall. Why did they wait until now? Why didnt we get the ball rolling with this in 2017? I cant be too mad at Dems here because its business as usual with them.

    Using emergency powers sets horrible precedent as stated above.

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    • January 10, 2019 at 3:10 pm
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    Neil Hansen (Klaatu) (View Comment):

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    It means Republicans cannot oppose it if they try.

    Correct. 

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    • January 10, 2019 at 3:14 pm
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    Mike "Lash" LaRoche (View Comment):

    Lindsey Graham is right. Time for President Trump to take the gloves off.

    Honest question: where was Graham’s passion for The Wall® during the two years that R’s controlled both houses of Congress? Did I miss an important news cycle?

    • #11
    • January 10, 2019 at 3:15 pm
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  12. Coolidge

    JamesSalerno (View Comment):

    Republicans had two years to build a wall. Why did they wait until now? Why didnt we get the ball rolling with this in 2017? I cant be too mad at Dems here because its business as usual with them.

    Had to wait until they were minority to be brave again. Now they can fight without expectations!

    I’m told Tom Price is working on the ACA replacement as we speak and it will be ready day 1…ah who am I kidding.

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    • January 10, 2019 at 3:15 pm
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    Neil Hansen (Klaatu) (View Comment):

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Here’s where we’re going if he does this:

    P.S. He forgot to mention packing the Supreme Court.

    You mean if Trump doesn’t do this, the Democrats won’t?

    It means Republicans cannot oppose it if they try.

    Sure they can. Just define “national emergency” the way you want and then go shopping for a friendly judge.

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    • January 10, 2019 at 3:19 pm
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  14. Thatcher

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    The 9th Circuit disagree with you.

    Usually an indicator you are correct.

    • #14
    • January 10, 2019 at 3:20 pm
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  15. Thatcher

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Neil Hansen (Klaatu) (View Comment):

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Here’s where we’re going if he does this:

    P.S. He forgot to mention packing the Supreme Court.

    You mean if Trump doesn’t do this, the Democrats won’t?

    It means Republicans cannot oppose it if they try.

    Sure they can. Just define “national emergency” the way you want and then go shopping for a friendly judge.

    One of the reasons I’m a conservative (and generally support Republicans over Democrats) is I respect the Constitution. It is one of the things I wish to conserve.

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    • January 10, 2019 at 3:24 pm
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    Neil Hansen (Klaatu) (View Comment):

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Neil Hansen (Klaatu) (View Comment):

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Here’s where we’re going if he does this:

    P.S. He forgot to mention packing the Supreme Court.

    You mean if Trump doesn’t do this, the Democrats won’t?

    It means Republicans cannot oppose it if they try.

    Sure they can. Just define “national emergency” the way you want and then go shopping for a friendly judge.

    One of the reasons I’m a conservative (and generally support Republicans over Democrats) is I respect the Constitution. It is one of the things I wish to conserve.

    So the President declaring a national emergency is unconstitutional?

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    • January 10, 2019 at 3:28 pm
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    Emergency or no, where is the money to build the wall going to come from? Its there a federal emergency “rainy day” fund that can be tapped into? Is he going to nationalize the wall building industry to get it built? I’m not sure how an emergency works in this context.

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    • January 10, 2019 at 3:33 pm
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    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Neil Hansen (Klaatu) (View Comment):

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Here’s where we’re going if he does this:

    P.S. He forgot to mention packing the Supreme Court.

    You mean if Trump doesn’t do this, the Democrats won’t?

    It means Republicans cannot oppose it if they try.

    Sure they can. Just define “national emergency” the way you want and then go shopping for a friendly judge.

    Or, and I know this is crazy, but Congress could terminate the national emergency by passing a Joint Resolution, as provided for in law (50 US Code Section 1622(a) ).

    ETA: And the current Congress could immediately do this if DJT declares a National Emergency to build the wall.

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    • January 10, 2019 at 3:42 pm
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    Neil Hansen (Klaatu) (View Comment):

    Had to wait until they were minority to be brave again. Now they can fight without expectations!

    I’m told Tom Price is working on the ACA replacement as we speak and it will be ready day 1…ah who am I kidding.

    They funded a border fence and never built that.

    Walls just work in reverse manner.

    Secure Fence Act of 2006 passed 283–138 in the House and 80–19 in the Senate.

    Trump’s Permanent Representative to NATO “…Kay Bailey Hutchison ‘opened the door’ for Barack Obama to stop the fence from being built. …

    Not later than 18 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall take all actions the Secretary determines necessary and appropriate to achieve and maintain operational control over the entire international land and maritime borders of the United States

    …The first blow against the promised fence was made by former Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX). In 2007 at the urging of the DHS, she proposed an amendment to give Homeland Security discretion to decide what type of fence was appropriate in different areas. The law was amended to read,

    Nothing in this paragraph shall require the Secretary of Homeland Security to install fencing, physical barriers, roads, lighting, cameras, and sensors in a particular location along an international border of the United States, if the Secretary determines that the use or placement of such resources is not the most appropriate means to achieve and maintain operational control over the international border at such location.'”

    https://lidblog.com/secure-fence-act/

    “Delays frustrated some, such as (Lindsey Graham’s South Carolina colleague) Senator Jim DeMint, Republican of South Carolina, who in 2010 introduced legislation seeking to require completion of the 700-mile-long, double-layered fence. (DHS had since 2007 begun ‘to shift its focus to erecting a ‘virtual fence’ along the 2,000-mile border, using sensors, cameras and other high-tech equipment to prevent illegal crossings’.) DeMint’s legislation was defeated in a 52–45 Senate vote in 2010.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006#cite_note-Rosen-8

    “Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio the only Republican to oppose it. … Four Democrats voted for setting a deadline to complete the border fence: Sens. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, John Rockefeller of West Virginia, Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Jon Tester of Montana.”

    https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article24584002.html

    However, I would keep the government closed as long as possible and refuse back pay.

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    • January 10, 2019 at 3:43 pm
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    Jason Obermeyer (View Comment):

    Emergency or no, where is the money to build the wall going to come from? Its there a federal emergency “rainy day” fund that can be tapped into? Is he going to nationalize the wall building industry to get it built? I’m not sure how an emergency works in this context.

    Provided for in 33 US Code Section 2293(a) “Reprogramming During National Emergencies”.

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    • January 10, 2019 at 3:44 pm
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    danok1 (View Comment):

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Neil Hansen (Klaatu) (View Comment):

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Here’s where we’re going if he does this:

    P.S. He forgot to mention packing the Supreme Court.

    You mean if Trump doesn’t do this, the Democrats won’t?

    It means Republicans cannot oppose it if they try.

    Sure they can. Just define “national emergency” the way you want and then go shopping for a friendly judge.

    Or, and I know this is crazy, but Congress could terminate the national emergency by passing a Joint Resolution, as provided for in law (50 US Code Section 1622(a) ).

    You think the Senate would vote for it?

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    • January 10, 2019 at 3:50 pm
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  22. Thatcher

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):
    So the President declaring a national emergency is unconstitutional?

    Falsely doing so to act in a manner the Constitution forbids certainly is.

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    • January 10, 2019 at 3:51 pm
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    danok1 (View Comment):

    Jason Obermeyer (View Comment):

    Emergency or no, where is the money to build the wall going to come from? Its there a federal emergency “rainy day” fund that can be tapped into? Is he going to nationalize the wall building industry to get it built? I’m not sure how an emergency works in this context.

    Provided for in 33 US Code Section 2293(a) “Reprogramming During National Emergencies”.

    Maybe, but it there enough money lying around in the specified Army programs to get it done (or is there another program that can be similarly cannibalized during an emergency)? In a normal situation, that statute would allow money to be shifted around, but here there is no money to shift around because there is no appropriation in the first place. If there is no appropriation to be shifted, this seems like an underpants gnome project:

    Step 1: Declare Emergency

    Step 2: . . .

    Step 3: Profit! Wall built!

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    • January 10, 2019 at 3:53 pm
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    Jason Obermeyer (View Comment):

    Emergency or no, where is the money to build the wall going to come from? Its there a federal emergency “rainy day” fund that can be tapped into? Is he going to nationalize the wall building industry to get it built? I’m not sure how an emergency works in this context.

    The talk I’ve heard is he plans to raid the Defense Department specifically the Army Construction budget. The better question is will he also try to use the “emergency” to just seize the land of property owners along the path of the Artisanal Steel Slats (ASS) fence? But who are we kidding here, even if all of this is legally possible (a point which will be debated in court I am sure) you need a working plan to build any structure: Land surveys, blue prints, vendors, workers, schedules, etc. None of this exists. The ASS fence isn’t some shovel ready project all in need of cash. It is a pipe dream, that exists as a sentence is some tweet. Thus Trump wouldn’t even be creating a terrible political precedent to accomplish anything tangible. It would just be to claim in an add in 2020 that he got funding for ASS fence as he promised. I mean not from Mexico, but he was able to steal resources from the military to do it. Just like future president Beto will be able to take Defense dollars to build a massive solar power array for national security emergency purposes. 

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    • January 10, 2019 at 4:05 pm
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    Neil Hansen (Klaatu) (View Comment):

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):
    So the President declaring a national emergency is unconstitutional?

    Falsely doing so to act in a manner the Constitution forbids certainly is.

    “…all the security around Capitol Hill. Walls. Armed men and women. Metal detectors. Bollards. … We just want to be treated well too by our government. It is left to the (federal) government not the private sector, not to the states to secure the border. The framers believed that our politicians would at least be virtuous enough to protect the sovereignty of the nation! What they never counted on were the Progressives, who actually seek to change the population … to change the country.” — Mark Levin, January 9, 2019

    An emergency is like impeachment. It’s all in the eye of the beholder (and the Washington DC lawyers).

    The theory that elections only matter when one side wins is that like this crazy feminist motto that all men are guilty until proven innocent. Justice and elections have to work both ways, or the people will lose faith in the system.

    Obama blew a trillion dollar stimulus on nothing but a bit of road paving and who knows what with pallets of cash for the terrorists in Iran, and the Republicans never threatened to impeach him. A 5-billion dollar wall would at least be something.

    Lindsey Graham might just be playing a bit of bad cop right now anyway, although his friend John McCain must be spinning in his grave.

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    • January 10, 2019 at 4:07 pm
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    Neil Hansen (Klaatu) (View Comment):

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):
    So the President declaring a national emergency is unconstitutional?

    Falsely doing so to act in a manner the Constitution forbids certainly is.

    Thank goodness we have our media fact-checkers to guide us.

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    • January 10, 2019 at 4:14 pm
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    Jason Obermeyer (View Comment):

    Emergency or no, where is the money to build the wall going to come from? Its there a federal emergency “rainy day” fund that can be tapped into? Is he going to nationalize the wall building industry to get it built? I’m not sure how an emergency works in this context.

    Mexico will pay for it. Duh. 

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    • January 10, 2019 at 4:22 pm
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Mike "Lash" LaRoche (View Comment):

    Lindsey Graham is right. Time for President Trump to take the gloves off.

    Honest question: where was Graham’s passion for The Wall® during the two years that R’s controlled both houses of Congress? Did I miss an important news cycle?

    I think McCain had Lindsey’s testicles in a lock box.

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    • January 10, 2019 at 4:24 pm
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  29. Thatcher

    Mike "Lash" LaRoche (View Comment):

    Lindsey Graham is right. Time for President Trump to take the gloves off.

    Oh yeah those “gloves” have been so constricting. bahahahahahahahahaha

     

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    • January 10, 2019 at 4:26 pm
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  30. Thatcher

    JamesSalerno (View Comment):

    Honestly I’m just tired of this.

    Republicans had two years to build a wall. Why did they wait until now? Why didnt we get the ball rolling with this in 2017? I cant be too mad at Dems here because its business as usual with them.

    Using emergency powers sets horrible precedent as stated above.

    Because this is symbolism only, not border security.

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    • January 10, 2019 at 4:27 pm
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