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  1. Flicker Coolidge
    Flicker
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    Can an artificial intelligence running on standard 0/1 computing ever be considered non-binary?  Just wondering.

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  2. Richard Easton Coolidge
    Richard Easton
    @RichardEaston

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Can an artificial intelligence running on standard 0/1 computing ever be considered non-binary? Just wondering.

    No bit.

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  3. Mike "Lash" LaRoche Inactive
    Mike "Lash" LaRoche
    @MikeLaRoche

    Absolutely nuts.

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  4. Hugh Inactive
    Hugh
    @Hugh

    Sooooo…..

    Given that the actuarial folks are totally absorbed with numbers and statistics is this just a sneaky way to select a group of individuals.  Maybe there is data that says that people who are non-binary have a higher suicide rate? Or a higher need for health services? Or are more likely to use recreational drugs? Or are more likely to wear high platform shoes? Or are more likely to live within a mile of a whole foods? There are plenty of ways to apply the results

    It’s a data point.  I think they are just being sneaky.

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  5. GFHandle Member
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    @GFHandle

    I think the “Follow the path of least resistance” is still the world’s rule.  Not to do it would be a sin against the gods of Diversity, Inclusion, and the Higher Equality. Besides, it doesn’t cost anything to be nice, they’ll say.  And it is always so nice to be able to pat an inferior on the head, don’t you know.

     

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  6. Richard Finlay Inactive
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    GFHandle (View Comment):

    I think the “Follow the path of least resistance” is still the world’s rule. Not to do it would be a sin against the gods of Diversity, Inclusion, and the Higher Equality. Besides, it doesn’t cost anything to be nice, they’ll say. And it is always so nice to be able to pat an inferior on the head, don’t you know.

     

    Or yourself on the back.

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  7. Hoyacon Member
    Hoyacon
    @Hoyacon

    I’m hoping that “Prefer not to say” becomes a consistent fourth option, so I can choose it if there’s more than “male” and “female.”  If the survey wants less data, I’ll oblige.

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  8. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    @RichardEaston

    Hugh (View Comment):

    Sooooo…..

    Given that the actuarial folks are totally absorbed with numbers and statistics is this just a sneaky way to select a group of individuals. Maybe there is data that says that people who are non-binary have a higher suicide rate? Or a higher need for health services? Or are more likely to use recreational drugs? Or are more likely to wear high platform shoes? Or are more likely to live within a mile of a whole foods? There are plenty of ways to apply the results

    It’s a data point. I think they are just being sneaky.

    This was a survey for actuaries only (members of the CAS).

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  9. Hugh Inactive
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    @Hugh

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    Hugh (View Comment):

    Sooooo…..

    Given that the actuarial folks are totally absorbed with numbers and statistics is this just a sneaky way to select a group of individuals. Maybe there is data that says that people who are non-binary have a higher suicide rate? Or a higher need for health services? Or are more likely to use recreational drugs? Or are more likely to wear high platform shoes? Or are more likely to live within a mile of a whole foods? There are plenty of ways to apply the results

    It’s a data point. I think they are just being sneaky.

    This was a survey for actuaries only (members of the CAS).

    Sooooo….

    Being really really really sneaky.

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  10. Front Seat Cat Member
    Front Seat Cat
    @FrontSeatCat

    I don’t know what non-binary means and I don’t have time to look it up because I’m getting ready for the Trump address – but hold that thought – I’ll be back…

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  11. blank generation member Inactive
    blank generation member
    @blankgenerationmember

    Why isn’t Undecided/No Opinion an option?

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  12. Paul Erickson Inactive
    Paul Erickson
    @PaulErickson

    Cui bono?  More genders ===>  more actuarial tables ===> more job security for actuaries.

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  13. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    Paul Erickson (View Comment):

    Cui bono? More genders ===> more actuarial tables ===> more job security for actuaries.

    But still only male and female shirt sizes on Amazon.

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  14. Stad Coolidge
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    @Stad

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Can an artificial intelligence running on standard 0/1 computing ever be considered non-binary? Just wondering.

    No bit.

    The whole thing  bytes . . .

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  15. Vance Richards Inactive
    Vance Richards
    @VanceRichards

    Ok, they will do that on their bureaucratic paperwork but if I want to buy life insurance, can an actuary produce tables with the life expectancy of a Non-binary?

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  16. Danny Alexander Member
    Danny Alexander
    @DannyAlexander

    I’m sure you’re painfully familiar with the hackneyed joke that an accountant can be defined as “an actuary with a sense of humor.”

    Given the SJW/trans involvement in this particular situation, you just know that they’re going to take that humorlessness to a whole new level…

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  17. rgbact Inactive
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    @romanblichar

    If they are trying to squash the stereotype of actuaries being low testosterone, beta male nerds with little to no sexual appeal…..then they failed big time. No thanks, guys.

    Curious if this is SJW or just an appeal to real weirdos within the profession.

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  18. Son of Spengler Member
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    Or maybe, the CAS leadership, knowing they’re not experts in designing and conducting surveys, contracted with an outside firm (Association Research, Inc.) — and that outside firm’s standard set of demographic questions is the problem.

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  19. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    Son of Spengler (View Comment):

    Or maybe, the CAS leadership, knowing they’re not experts in designing and conducting surveys, contracted with an outside firm (Association Research, Inc.) — and that outside firm’s standard set of demographic questions is the problem.

    Yes, I wondered if that was the problem.  However, somebody at the CAS was OK with using non-binary as a category.

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  20. Son of Spengler Member
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    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    Ok, they will do that on their bureaucratic paperwork but if I want to buy life insurance, can an actuary produce tables with the life expectancy of a Non-binary?

    As an actuary, I’m more disturbed by the confusion of sex and gender among practitioners. For example, one should expect mortality to vary based on sex, not declared gender, because it’s a biological phenomenon.

    I’m genuinely curious, though, whether people who identify as trans or non-binary might exhibit different mortality, whether by suicide (notoriously high among trans individuals) or because of some other cause. There is a known relationship between morbidity and mental illness, so to the extent there may be different mental processes at work, they may manifest in different health and mortality profiles.

    Similarly, could there be a difference in auto claims? Especially if there are cultural and even hormonal factors involved in aggression and driving behavior, gender may be a better predictor than sex. (Though as an underwriter, I’m not sure I’d want to give a man a lower rate just by declaring he’s a woman….)

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  21. Son of Spengler Member
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    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    Son of Spengler (View Comment):

    Or maybe, the CAS leadership, knowing they’re not experts in designing and conducting surveys, contracted with an outside firm (Association Research, Inc.) — and that outside firm’s standard set of demographic questions is the problem.

    Yes, I wondered if that was the problem. However, somebody at the CAS was OK with using non-binary as a category.

    I’m guessing the CAS staff member or volunteer did a risk-reward calculation, and concluded there was more risk in offending people who insist on these options being there than in offending people who think they shouldn’t.

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  22. GFHandle Member
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    Richard Finlay (View Comment):

    GFHandle (View Comment):

    I think the “Follow the path of least resistance” is still the world’s rule. Not to do it would be a sin against the gods of Diversity, Inclusion, and the Higher Equality. Besides, it doesn’t cost anything to be nice, they’ll say. And it is always so nice to be able to pat an inferior on the head, don’t you know.

     

    Or yourself on the back.

    And all at the same time. 

    I really do think the urge to be a padrone or lord to the poor underlings (whoever’s  cause you select to champion) is a powerful motive in the sjw movement. Not a good fit with a democracy, one would think. Odd how the left is so busy proclaiming that people are NOT created or birthed equal in this world.

     

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  23. Gaius Inactive
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    @Gaius

    Count your blessings. A mere four choices, is practically conservative. 

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  24. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    Gaius (View Comment):

    Count your blessings. A mere four choices, is practically conservative.

    There were a number of questions in the survey about diversity.  It’s a good thing that I no longer work in a large organization where HR is controlled by SJWs.

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  25. Danny Alexander Member
    Danny Alexander
    @DannyAlexander

    #20 @Son of Spengler

    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/alberta-man-legally-changes-sex-for-cheaper-car-insurance-i-didnt-feel-like-getting-screwed-over-any-more

     

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  26. dnewlander Inactive
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    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    Gaius (View Comment):

    Count your blessings. A mere four choices, is practically conservative.

    There were a number of questions in the survey about diversity. It’s a good thing that I no longer work in a large organization where HR is controlled by SJWs.

    I am soooooooo glad that my company doesn’t have an HR department. All of our “admin” tasks are handled by the CEO’s wife, who, though very liberal and living in Portland, is extremely practical.

    Most of my “administrative headache” consists of making sure my Uber receipts line up correctly with what I submit.

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