Recommended by Ricochet Members Created with Sketch. Abortion Doesn’t Get In the Way of Cardinal Dolan and Gov. Cuomo’s Friendship.

 

Governor Andrew Cuomo of New York is actively pushing the pro-abortion deceptively-named Reproductive Health Act, which would allow abortions on viable, late-term unborn babies for any “health” reason. Cuomo, who wants the legislation passed in the next 60 days, is a Catholic of Italian descent and had married one of the Kennedy litter and is now divorced and living with his lover. Cardinal Timothy Dolan has a holy obligation to correct, or punish as necessary, any Catholic for openly advocating for abortion which is forbidden by Catholic teaching and when a high-profile Catholic, like Nancy Pelosi or Cuomo or any other Catholic holding political office uses their position and authority to push for abortion, then they are deliberately undermining the authority and teaching of the Church. If Cuomo is under the auspices of the Archdiocese of Albany, then Bishop Scharfenberger should act and excommunicate Cuomo and Dolan should vocally support that action. Dolan should use every opportunity to publicly challenge Cuomo on the pending legislation. Pelosi has been rebuked by her own bishop in the past for her pro-abortion advocacy.

Look, I realize that Cardinal Dolan would probably have to endure being disinvited from dinners at the governor’s mansion or Cuomo’s Manhattan digs and this action would put a kink in any public events where he shares the limelight with the governor, but he has been on record saying that “We must end abortion, and not with contraception” and that abortion must be made illegal. Well, here’s your chance, Eminence to walk-the-walk and not just talk-the-talk. Your own presumably practicing Catholic governor is using his office and bully pulpit to pass legislation that will bolster the state’s efforts to continue to kill children and harm souls. How about using your own office to publicly condemn Cuomo’s actions and call for his excommunication? Or are you more concerned with being ostracized from New York power circles and cocktail parties? Are you a really a Catholic cardinal called on to do lead Catholics away from mortal sin or are you a paper tiger in a skull cap?

As for Hillary Clinton, also cited in the Lifenews article linked above, she is not Catholic, so Cardinal Dolan need not bother with her. I’m not sure what she is exactly other than a practicing sociopath.

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  1. Percival Thatcher
    Percival Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Too much trouble. How about a nice homily on climate change?

    Brian Watt:

    As for Hillary Clinton, also cited in the Lifenews article linked above, she is not Catholic, so Cardinal Dolan need not bother with her. I’m not sure what she is exactly other than a practicing sociopath.

    She doesn’t really need to practice anymore. She’s got it down pat.

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    • January 7, 2019, at 1:01 PM PST
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  2. Vance Richards Member
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    Brian Watt: Cuomo, who wants the legislation passed in the next 60 days, is a Catholic of Italian descent and married to one of the Kennedy litter.

    She divorced him long ago. The woman living with him in the governor’s mansion, Sandra Lee, is not his wife, just his lover.

     

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    • January 7, 2019, at 1:08 PM PST
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  3. Brian Watt Member
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    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    Brian Watt: Cuomo, who wants the legislation passed in the next 60 days, is a Catholic of Italian descent and married to one of the Kennedy litter.

    She divorced him long ago. The woman living with him in the governor’s mansion, Sandra Lee, is not his wife, just his lover.

    Well, of course. Thanks for the correction.

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    • January 7, 2019, at 1:10 PM PST
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  4. WI Con Member
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    The GOP leadership and the Catholic leadership seem to have a lot in common-afraid of calling BS on something and fighting it.

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    • January 7, 2019, at 1:21 PM PST
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  5. Vance Richards Member
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    Living in the NYC area we have to see Cuomo on the news all the time. My wife often asks the same question about he could still be in good standing with the Church when he so aggressively advocates against what they stand for. His father, former governor Mario Coumo, would at least give the lame “while I personally oppose abortion” nonsense but Andrew doesn’t even feign any discomfort over abortion.

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    • January 7, 2019, at 1:31 PM PST
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  6. Front Seat Cat Member

    The consequences of no action on the part of Cardinal Dolan are far-reaching, at a time when the Church is struggling to stand up for what is right even within its own ranks. Christianity is in jeopardy, and he sets an example. What is it going to take to wake people up?

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    • January 7, 2019, at 2:19 PM PST
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  7. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
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    Under Cardinal Dolan’s leadership, every Catholic hospital in New York has been forced to sell its assets to non-Catholic corporations or close.

    There has been no outcry from the Cardinal.

    Fidelis Care, a health insurance program administered by the Archdiocese, was also forced to be sold this past year to a non-Catholic corporation.

    Cardinal Dolan is horrible. 

    He is interviewed by Chris Cuomo on immigration and he says things like, “Say hello to your mom from me,” which makes me want to puke. 

    The last time this piece of evil monstrosity legislation was in danger of being passed (it looks like it actually will be passed this year, which is frightening, truly truly frightening), Cardinal Dolan sent the Faithful a Teaching Letter in which he explained that nine out of ten of the provisions in the Reproductive Health Act were really really good for women. It was just that sticky problem of abortion that meant he couldn’t embrace the whole thing.

    I’m sure we’ll be forced to hear something similar this time around.

    Come Lord Jesus! Return and do not delay!

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    • January 7, 2019, at 2:47 PM PST
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  8. Brian Watt Member
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    More from Townhall on the bill that Cuomo and Clinton are pushing:

    New York’s current law, which was in place three years prior to the Supreme Court’s ruling in Roe v. Wade, prohibits abortions after 24 weeks, the point increasingly understood to be viability, unless the procedure is necessary to save a women’s life.

    The Reproductive Health Act would permit a “licensed health care practitioner” to perform an abortion “within 24 weeks from the commencement of pregnancy, or there is an absence of fetal viability, or at any time when necessary to protect a patient’s life or health.”

    It also does away with criminal penalties for self-abortion and defines “‘Person,’ when referring to the victim of a homicide,” to mean “a human being who has been born and is alive.”

    Kathleen Gallagher, director of pro-life activities for the New York State Catholic Conference, warned the Catholic Courier last week about the potential consequences of the bill’s passage.

    She argued that the bill’s proponents have been misleadingly framing it as simply codifying Roe v Wade when in reality it goes much farther.

    “One of the stark differences is that Roe v Wade never gave permission for nondoctors to perform abortions, and this bill specifically will allow nondoctors to perform abortions,” she explained. “It also repeals protections that are currently in our law for babies that are accidentally born alive during an abortion.”

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    • January 7, 2019, at 3:35 PM PST
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  9. Painter Jean Member

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    The consequences of no action on the part of Cardinal Dolan are far-reaching, at a time when the Church is struggling to stand up for what is right even within its own ranks. Christianity is in jeopardy, and he sets an example. What is it going to take to wake people up?

    Schism. There’s been a de facto schism between orthodox, faithful Catholics and the dissenting liberals for decades. This garbage and our foolish pope might actually cause an official schism. Bring it on, I say – let’s just see who has episcopal spine and who doesn’t!

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    • January 7, 2019, at 3:42 PM PST
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  10. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
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    Anyone in New York who wants to contact legislative representatives and the governor about this legislation can do so easily through the NYS Catholic Conference website

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    • January 7, 2019, at 4:27 PM PST
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  11. Scott Wilmot Member

    Brian, I agree with you that Cardinal Dolan falls far short of testicular fortitude, but if a bishop is to discipline Governor Cuomo, it would be Bishop Edward B. Scharfenberger of the Diocese of Albany. Cardinal Dolan could certainly give his brother a call and offer support and advice – but we know that won’t happen (see comment above about testicular fortitude).

    Do you have a link to a story that shows that Ms. Pelosi was denied Holy Communion by a bishop? In no way would it have been done by McCarrick or Wuerl (Diocese of DC). If it happened it would have to have been done by Archbishop Cordileone. One recalls, that back in 2004, Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect of the CDF sent a letter to Cardinal McCarrick stating that the minister of Holy Communion must refuse to distribute it” when warning and counsel given to the manifest sinner “have not had their effect.” McCarrick was infamous for withholding this letter.

    I wrote a post about this horrific legislation in March 2018 – I’m not sure if it is the same bill. The “personally opposed” crowd is at it again.

    As for Hillary Clinton and what she is – it’s your lucky day – I also wrote about her as an old-fashioned Methodist. But she only brings up religion or morality when it is convenient and when she pushes her culture of death principles she somehow loses her Bible and forgets the Ten Commandments.

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    • January 7, 2019, at 4:46 PM PST
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  12. Brian Watt Member
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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Brian, I agree with you that Cardinal Dolan falls far short of testicular fortitude, but if a bishop is to discipline Governor Cuomo, it would be Bishop Edward B. Scharfenberger of the Diocese of Albany. Cardinal Dolan could certainly give his brother a call and offer support and advice – but we know that won’t happen (see comment above about testicular fortitude).

    Do you have a link to a story that shows that Ms. Pelosi was denied Holy Communion by a bishop? In no way would it have been done by McCarrick or Wuerl (Diocese of DC). If it happened it would have to have been done by Archbishop Cordileone. One recalls, that back in 2004, Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect of the CDF sent a letter to Cardinal McCarrick stating that the minister of Holy Communion must refuse to distribute it” when warning and counsel given to the manifest sinner “have not had their effect.” McCarrick was infamous for withholding this letter.

    I wrote a post about this horrific legislation in March 2018 – I’m not sure if it is the same bill. The “personally opposed” crowd is at it again.

    As for Hillary Clinton and what she is – it’s your lucky day – I also wrote about her as an old-fashioned Methodist. But she only brings up religion or morality when it is convenient and when she pushes her culture of death principles she somehow loses her Bible and forgets the Ten Commandments.

    Hi Scott, Cuomo maintains residences in both New York and Albany but you’re probably correct that the Archdiocese of Albany probably claims him as a parishioner. Cleary support and advice or a strongly articulated call to Scharfenberer from Dolan to consider excommunication of Cuomo isn’t likely to occur for a number of reasons – not just Dolan’s apparent timidity. My understanding is that the state of New York confers subsidies for Catholic schools in the state. Which begs the question, if the state is helping to fund Catholic schools, then Dolan, et. al. are presumably comfortable with the lesson they are teaching every Catholic schoolteacher and student by their example of equivocation, cowardice and moral relativism and their willingness to sell out Christ and His Church for handfuls of silver. Great lesson, gentlemen. Again, the Church hierarchy engages in an epic fail of their calling.

    Re: Pelosi specifically – even though it’s been shown by Cardinal Burke that she is in clear violation of Canon Law – Cordileone hasn’t officially announced excommunication even as it has been reported that he has rebuked her for her pro-abortion advocacy. Someday we may have prelates who act like devout Catholics who follow the dictates of the Church and do what they’re supposed to do.

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    • January 7, 2019, at 5:27 PM PST
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  13. Marjorie Reynolds Coolidge

    Percival (View Comment):

    Too much trouble. How about a nice homily on climate change

    Ha! Irish priests can’t seem to shut up about climate change this year either. Most noticeably anytime the subject of abortion is topical, like say during a referendum or signing the damn thing into law. 

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    • January 8, 2019, at 9:13 AM PST
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  14. Manny Member

    What makes you say they are friends? I’m from New York and I haven’t noticed anything particularly chummy between the two. I’m sure they are civil to each other. Cuomo has screwed Cardinal Dolan on a number of issues. Abortion, school choice, state support for private schools, the approach over how to investigate the church abuse scandals. It has not been to my perception to be a friendly relationship.

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    • January 8, 2019, at 9:21 AM PST
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  15. Scott Wilmot Member

    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    My understanding is that the state of New York confers subsidies for Catholic schools in the state.

    If that is the case it is truly unfortunate, but one can better understand why the bishops tippy-toe around the politicians – it’s all about the money.

    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    Someday we may have prelates who act like devout Catholics who follow the dictates of the Church and do what they’re supposed to do.

    Wouldn’t that be something. As Ratzinger wrote in 2004, and as canon law states (canons 915 and 916), it is their duty. Perhaps they are afraid we would all die from heart attacks if they actually manned-up and did the needful.

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    • January 8, 2019, at 9:46 AM PST
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  16. Brian Watt Member
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    In 2013, Dolan wrote to Cuomo and asked he reconsider his support for the same abortion bill. 5+ years on, Cuomo is essentially giving Dolan the finger. In response to Cuomo’s support of the bill in 2013, the cardinal’s spokesman clarified remarks that Dolan made on a radio program about Cuomo (emphasis mine):

    ALBANY – Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan did not intend to question Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s standing in the Roman Catholic Church, despite the governor’s support for abortion rights, the cardinal’s spokesman said on Wednesday.

    The spokesman, Joseph Zwilling, was seeking to clarify comments the cardinal made in a radio interview on Tuesday, when the cardinal said, in response to a question about Mr. Cuomo’s standing in the church, that “that’s one of the things the governor and I talk about.”

    But on Wednesday, Mr. Zwilling said that the cardinal, who is the archbishop of New York, “would not, and did not, suggest the governor might not be a Catholic in good standing going forward.”

    Man up, Your Eminence. You’re a prince of the Church. Act like one.

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    • January 8, 2019, at 10:48 AM PST
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  17. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
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    Manny, when you say

    Manny (View Comment):
    Cuomo has screwed Cardinal Dolan on a number of issues.

    I completely agree.

    But sadly, there are lots and lots of photos showing the two of them schmoozing it up. 

     

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    • January 8, 2019, at 11:27 AM PST
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  18. Manny Member

    CB Toder aka Mama Toad (View Comment):

    Manny, when you say

    Manny (View Comment):
    Cuomo has screwed Cardinal Dolan on a number of issues.

    I completely agree.

    But sadly, there are lots and lots of photos showing the two of them schmoozing it up.

     

    Well, Dolan is a very genial guy. He’s kind of a “sucker” for politicians. Cuomo is a sly a politician as they come. I expect him to run in the Dem primary. Cuomo and Dolan together is like a fox and a chicken side by side. You know he’s going to go for the throat, it’s a matter of when…lol.

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    • January 8, 2019, at 12:56 PM PST
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  19. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
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    It is my sincere belief that Andrew Cuomo is demonically possessed. I am not speaking ironically or anything other than absolutely literally. I believe he gave himself over to the devil years ago.

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    • January 8, 2019, at 1:14 PM PST
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  20. DJ EJ Member

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    My understanding is that the state of New York confers subsidies for Catholic schools in the state.

    If that is the case it is truly unfortunate, but one can better understand why the bishops tippy-toe around the politicians – it’s all about the money.

    No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.” Matthew 6:24

    By abrogating their pastoral duties (Dolan and/or Scharfenberger), and not rebuking Governor Cuomo, or barring him from receiving Holy Communion until he repents, they are denying Gov. Cuomo the Law he as an unrepentant sinner so desperately needs to hear. How can he ever turn from his sins, repent, be forgiven, and receive the comfort of the Gospel if he is never confronted by his own wickedness. The goal of rebuking a sinner is repentance. “Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, says the Lord God, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live?” Ezekiel 18:23. By not rebuking Cuomo, they lead him astray and abandon him to his wickedness.

    Meanwhile in Springfield, Illinois, Bishop Thomas John Paprocki provides an example of proper pastoral care and love for Senator Dick Durbin (bold print emphasis added):

    “Because his voting record in support of abortion over many years constitutes ‘obstinate persistence in manifest grave sin,’ the determination continues that Sen. Durbin is not to be admitted to Holy Communion until he repents of this sin,” Paprocki said. “This provision is intended not to punish, but to bring about a change of heart.

    “In our 2004 Statement on Catholics in Political Life, the USCCB said, ‘Failing to protect the lives of innocent and defenseless members of the human race is to sin against justice. Those who formulate law therefore have an obligation in conscience to work toward correcting morally defective laws, lest they be guilty of cooperating in evil and in sinning against the common good.”

    Sen. Durbin was once pro-life. I sincerely pray that he will repent and return to being pro-life.

    More detail, and a couple further examples of politicians being banned from receiving Holy Communion, here (date: 02/22/18):

    https://freebeacon.com/politics/catholic-bishop-reaffirms-durbins-ban-receiving-holy-communion/

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    • January 8, 2019, at 1:20 PM PST
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  21. Scott Wilmot Member

    God bless Bishop Paprocki.

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    • January 8, 2019, at 1:59 PM PST
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  22. J Climacus Member

    Welcome to the Pope Francis Church.

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    • January 8, 2019, at 3:03 PM PST
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  23. The Cloaked Gaijin Member

    CB Toder aka Mama Toad (View Comment):

    Under Cardinal Dolan’s leadership, every Catholic hospital in New York has been forced to sell its assets to non-Catholic corporations or close.

    What’s the story behind this? I don’t live in the area or keep up with certain current events.

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    • January 8, 2019, at 11:32 PM PST
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  24. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
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    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    CB Toder aka Mama Toad (View Comment):

    Under Cardinal Dolan’s leadership, every Catholic hospital in New York has been forced to sell its assets to non-Catholic corporations or close.

    What’s the story behind this? I don’t live in the area or keep up with certain current events.

    Great question! I wish I knew the whole story too.

    There has been almost no reporting of this. Most Catholic hospitals were run by orders of nuns, not the Archdiocese.

    Let’s take St. Francis Hospital in Poughkeepsie, for example. Founded by the Sisters of St. Francis, one of the reasons for the hospital’s existence was to allow Jewish doctors a hospital to practice at, since they were not allowed to practice at Vassar Hospital, founded by Matthew Vassar, the same guy who funded Vassar College.

    The State took away their permission to operate a maternity ward in the 1970s because they were a Catholic hospital that wouldn’t perform abortions (my first protests were as a child with my mother and siblings protesting the closing of the maternity wing). The State said that there was a “duplication of services” in Poughkeepsie and that’s why they had to close St. Francis’ maternity.

    Eventually, they were required to unduplicate a number of services, so the two hospitals began working together on a number of projects, at which point New York sued St. Francis, and incidentally Vassar, claiming they were setting up a monopoly and breaking anti-trust laws. With legal strictures and a variety of state-imposed mergers required, St. Francis declared bankruptcy in 2014 and, days before their 100th anniversary, the hospital was forced to sell all its assets to Westchester Medical Center, which now operates the facility.

    Or, as we locals call it, ‘Aint Francis…

    Benedictine Hospital in Kingston had something very similar happen to them. The State required them to merge with Kingston Hospital and make all sorts of accommodations to allow abortions to proceed as soon as possible.Within two years, the previously in-the-black Benedictine Hospital was hemorrhaging money and within a short while, the sales began. I can’t tell you all the weird machinations, and the multiple sales of the assets as the prices kept going up and someone kept making buttloads of money off the sales.

    St. Vincent Hospital in Manhattan, where my mom trained as a nurse, closed, somewhat due to its own stupidity.

    Cardinal Dolan shared this letter with the Faithful in 2012, in which he was Sad about Catholic hospitals and nursing homes closing, but Hopeful about the future of ArchCare! Selling assets like nursing homes is good!

    The Archdiocese continued to run its Catholic Health Plan, which morphed into Fidelis Care, which was sold to a huge corporation last year for $3.75 billion. It was never clear as to why the sale occurred.

    In my next lifetime, I want to write the book on this whole disgusting scandal.

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    • January 9, 2019, at 1:20 AM PST
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  25. Brian Watt Member
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    From Cardinal Burke

    Asked about Pelosi, he said, “Certainly this is a case when Canon 915 must be applied.”

    Canon 915 states that those who are “obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to Holy Communion.”

    “This is a person who obstinately, after repeated admonitions, persists in a grave sin — cooperating with the crime of procured abortion — and still professes to be a devout Catholic,” the cardinal said. “I fear for Congresswoman Pelosi if she does not come to understand how gravely in error she is. I invite her to reflect upon the example of St. Thomas More who acted rightly in a similar situation even at the cost of his life.”

    You see, Cardinal Dolan…this is how it’s done. You speak up and are openly supportive of Catholic teaching. Try it. Summon up the courage to act like a man and a devout prince of the Church…or will Papa be upset with you?

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    • January 13, 2019, at 9:19 AM PST
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