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Remarkable, isn’t it, that Donald Trump has made decrying “fake news” his calling card? Is the press hostile to him? Sure. Do they lie about him? For the most part, no. Then again, the truth is not everyone’s friend. As William Randolph Hearst once quipped: “If Mr. Hughes will stop telling lies about me, I’ll stop telling the truth about him.” Or, even better, William F. Buckley said of Gore Vidal: “Anyone who lies about him is doing him a favor.”
Good piece. I admire your tenacity, Mona. I don’t always with everything you say or write. But, no matter how much heat you get for these columns, you always tell it the way you see. Bless you!
Trump becomes first president since 2002 not to visit troops at Christmastime
This lie is still up on their webpage.
Edit. Looks like they changed the headline and the link.
Here are the new ones.
Trump becomes first president since 2002 not to visit troops on or before Christmas
I didn’t think they could be more petty. Looks like I was wrong.
Trump is not sufficiently versed in details to lie about budgetary matters. He is simply indifferent to accuracy as a norm.
The level of indignation in this post is unwarranted.
When people who craft the specifics of a policy (the “savings” from Obamacare or the climate impact of the Paris Agreement) toss out bogus numbers, that’s lying.
Trump is more like PT Barnum than Bernie Madoff. Most of us understand that and factor accordingly without personal drama in large part because we do not bear the burden of self-conscious NeverTrumpism which apparently requires a sustained state of indignation.
I agree with this. It seems with him to be about how things seem….everything is the BIGGEST, the WORST….whatever. I’m not really defending it, Trump just seems to have little knowledge or for that matter interest in facts. It’s 24/7 hyperbole.
On the other hand, his critics in the media give him plenty of cover with stupid crap like first attacking him for NOT going to visit the troops….and then when it is revealed they were wrong as usual the immediately criticize the troops for being too happy to see him!!
Season 3 of The Apprentice Washington DC is not going to be boring….but I may still not pay attention to it.
Trump’s interaction with the Fed makes me nervous, but Mona acts like we could actually get someone in that could manage all of this centralized theft and power, and military adventurism better. I’m skeptical.
Plus, I can guarantee she would take back a bunch of those incoherent criticisms of Trump.
The thing you are right about is that it should have been taken down. But the comment preceded his trip to Iraq. and I think yesterday was after Christmas. And then there is the preceding Christmas. If something is true, it cannot be called a lie – maybe in an Alice in Wonderland world!
We have a gay married couple that we spend a lot of time with. They are “the gays”; as in “dinner at the gays tonight”. “The gays stopped by.”
I referred to them as such in front of my lefty friend. I was chastised for the offensive label. When I told the gays about it, one said: “please thank her for co-opting my outrage. I really don’t know how we manage without people like her letting us know when we’ve been insulted.”
I thought of that story while reading Mona’s column; my first thought was: where in the world would members of the military be without people like Mona letting them know they’ve been dishonored??
No, Mona, you dishonor them by patronizing them.
So . . . 51-49?
The threshold question is what was Crawford totalling: (a) the cost of having to fight the GWOT or (b) the cost of just the portions relating to the decision to go into Iraq and Afghanistan?
Homeland security expenditures probably qualify under (a) but not (b) as we would be paying them had we not gone into Iraq and Afghanistan.
Everything else appears a necessary part of (b) and a failure to include would be intellectually dishonest. That being said, on the one hand, I have no confidence that Crawford properly reduced everything to present value. On the other hand, I also have no confidence that she adequately included all costs, including opportunity costs.
Christmastime = the time around Christmas. Including after.
I had a buddy named John Gay. He and his family would have been called “The Gays” as well.
I wonder if your lefty friend would chastise me too.
Makes you wonder what we actually got for President Obama’s $8.5 Trillion.
And appearently that “understanding” just prices in habitual lying and contempt for the truth.
OldB,
You are quite correct in this. These kinds of lies severely damage 100s of millions of lives for the foreseeable future. Trump’s misstatements are bloviation for temporary political effect. Jonathan Gruber and Ben Rhodes took us behind the curtain back to the realm of truth and honor for just a moment. It was obvious that nobody was left to care about ordinary people’s lives that would be economically brutalized or the extreme danger of releasing a genocidal terror state on the world.
Professional pundits who don’t have the guts to face this focus on the trivial to compensate. Almost the entire pundit class for the last 20 years have been worth nothing to the average person. The pundit class has been full of sound and fury signifying nothing.
Regards,
Jim
“We will repeal Obamacare and make sure there is a stable transition to a truly patient-centered system.” – Paul Ryan
”We’re not going to spend taxpayers’ money on abortion.” – George W. Bush with 8 consecutive years of increasing Title X “family planning” budgets.
“We will cut the deficit in half in 5 years.” – George W. Bush 2004 SOTU address
“I don’t think our troops ought to be used for what’s called ‘nation-building.’” – George W. Bush October 2000
Only Trump lies. Everyone else just misspeaks.
O.K. I never read the article.
Wouldn’t you like to quiz her on everything we have done since 9/11?
I’m inclined to agree that he’s fully transitioned into being a politician. I’m still not clear on the degree to which his misstatements of fact are intentional, which is what constitutes “lying.”
No more wars unless we intend to colonize. That is my plan.
I find the ability of so many people to rationalize a habitual and shameless liar is really breathtaking.
As breathtaking as I find the fact that this is supposed to be responsive to what I wrote?
To be sure, I’ve noticed in the past that so many people who toss the word “lie” and “liar” around become uncomfortable when the intent element of a “lie” is raised.
Please take all of the things that the rational, mainstream GOP has promised for the last 40 years on one side of the page and list all of those delivered on the other.
An individual who engages in this is a “habitual and shameless liar.” Get an entire party to do it and “Meh. It’s politics.”
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Defamatory, gossipy, or rude nicknames for those who disagree with Trump.Self-contradicted in the same post. [Redacted.] Clearly a specially authorized pay increase for the first time in 10 years. MAGA!
If this were Obama, I’d be willing to bet that we would not go out of our way to find excuses.
By your own words, Christmastime can last until February. Christmas is one day. Not Advent. Christmas.
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Rude and absolutely content-free comment.[Redacted.]
I don’t think Mona, or anyone in the thread, said anything of the sort.
Trump lies. The media lie. Other politicians lie. None of these facts make any of the others false. Comments like this–responses to a perceived attack on President Trump that was never actually said–seem borne from a reflexive instinct to defend him, an instinct grounded in nothing other than a need to defend “our guy.”
I understand where it comes from. There are an incredible number of baseless attacks on the president from every corner. Combating lying blue-checks and talking heads could be a full time job. But that doesn’t mean we should ignore reality, and the reality is that Donald Trump lies quite often.
Making comments in response to some imaginary Never-Trumper doesn’t move the conversation forward–it just makes one seem uncritical to a fault. And dismissing or disregarding Mona’s article (or any other article critical of the president) just because other claims about President Trump might be unfounded makes one look like a lackey.
Let’s let down our defenses and be objective about the president. We can still support him while admitting he does wrong.
Government Is How We Steal From Each Other™
Would you be saying this if we replaced President Trump in this scenario with President Obama? Would we all let it go and feel hunky-dory if he had been the one to say something false to our troops? For some reason, I don’t we would. I think we’d be rightfully outraged. But since President Trump does it, we are supposed to let it go.
If lying to someone doesn’t also mean you’re dishonoring them then I don’t know where we stand as a nation.
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Personal attack.Spot on. [Redacted.]
Not my words, George, NBC’s words – for which they have appended an editor’s note which reads;
It seems that they consider “Christmastime” to be both before and after Christmas. Almost but not quite in line with the ecclesiastical calendar of 25 December – 5 January (the eponymous 12 days of Christmas).
Since they are big enough to admit Christmastime is around Christmas, can’t you do the same?
I am just astonished that they had to change the headline to be even more petty than previous.
Why are 40 years of lies more forgivable than those uttered since January 20, 2017? And why are those that ignore those lies less a group of enablers than Trump supporters? There are many reasons why Trump’s message resonated during the 2016 GOP primaries and this is one of them. Until his detractors realize and acknowledge that, their hypocrisy deserves to be called out.